M1t FAQ

[birsling]

DirtyDog, y are you not using the 4 derm? Are you on the cycle right now? I would seriously look into running the 4derm. You WILL be lethargic without it, and it will help you through the end of your workouts. Also, why only a 2 week cycle? Are you trying to start small. Outline your cycle (and include the mg amounts of each item) for us, just to check it out. Good luck bro.

[nsa]

I have run 2 m1t cycles so far and im going to start another cycle in september with some other helpful things.

For the advice question, just follow the sample cycle in the original post. Some places sell sealed vial, others sell bottles that have a screw off top, some come with syringes without needles.

[userabuser]

I overheard today, at a from a massive dude at the counter of the supplement store that m1t and others will be illegal in about 3 weeks. Any truth??

So what's the shelf life of this stuff?

[Soldier of Misfortune]

Andro products are being banned and will be illegal. M1T is not andro at all, its methel-1-testosterone. Its way more potent than andro will ever be. So M1T will not be scheduled a class III drug just yet, our gay govt will probably find out about M1T and make it illegal within a year or two so you might could buy it and save it. The exp date on mine says like 2007 or 2008 I think. Was the supp store you speak of GNC perhaps? If so, that place sucks ass anyway.

[lt1tech]

I tried to do another cycle of M1t again but it makes my lower right side of my stomach hurt too much and makes me WAY too tired! I get awesome results in the first seven days but I never dare finish the cycle. I got the same side pump pains with fina too... WTF? anyone???

[dogsofwar]

I have heard about pains in that region. I wonder if its gastrointestinal or liver (possibly placebo?). Gear can have that effect. Any opinions out there? ~dow

[birsling]

NSA, hope you don't mind but I posted this over at Anabolic Impact. I included it as a direct quote from you, and also posted the original link to this thread. If you mind, I will erase it, but thought you wouldn't mind sharing the knowledge.

[nsa]

I don't mind at all. Im fine with people sharing this info everywhere even without referring back to me. I don't care about internet recognition for some name i made up by pushing down buttons with my eyes closed. LOL

[lt1tech]

Anyone have any more knowledge about the lower abdominal pains associated with M1T and other anabolics? Especially Finaplix and 17aa's

[SpecialCombat]

You all can see the originating article here:
http://www.ironmagazine.com/review25.html

[nsa]

Actually that is copied as well, from bulknutrition's website. That part that is the same as the top of my FAQ which is from bulknutrition. But the important part is the bottom of my FAQ, which i came up with through trial and error on myself...

[SpecialCombat]

Oh, no bones here bro.....just making sure that if it were copyrighted that no one gets in trouble. Good post though.

[nsa]

I know where your coming from, i wasn't trying to be a d!ck about it. But that first part is from bulknutrition's synopsis of m1t in the UL m1t product part.

[birsling]

N, I linked it back to you because I believe that is the right way. Always give props. This is a great post, hopefully soon to be a sticky!

[nsa]

Thanks bro, i just want to get the knowledge out so that people don't screw themselves up using this stuff, because if you don't know what your doing you could easily mess yourself up, especially if your young.

[birsling]

Right on bro. Look at all the posts that have popped up in the last week. All sorts of sides, abdominal problems, etc. All of them seem to be at higher dosages, and possibly some of the people didn't know what they were getting into.

[Soldier of Misfortune]

Ive noticed alot of people leaving out the 4ad or hawthorne in thier M1T cycle and one dude wanted to do 2weeks on, 2weeks pct and repeat. Where do they come up with these ideas to alter a cycle plan that has been researched heavily? Do they just not wanna pay for sumthing? If you were building a hot rod, would you leave out the transmission cuz it was too expensive?

[birsling]

Ive noticed alot of people leaving out the 4ad or hawthorne in thier M1T cycle and one dude wanted to do 2weeks on, 2weeks pct and repeat. Where do they come up with these ideas to alter a cycle plan that has been researched heavily? Do they just not wanna pay for sumthing? If you were building a hot rod, would you leave out the transmission cuz it was too expensive?

You couldn't have brought up a better point. I posted that exact question in another guy's post. Why try and change something that has been heavily researched? I understand people changing it to fit their individual goals, after they see how their body reacts, but I live by the motto don't fix what ain't broken!

[DirtyDog]

Ive noticed alot of people leaving out the 4ad or hawthorne in thier M1T cycle and one dude wanted to do 2weeks on, 2weeks pct and repeat. Where do they come up with these ideas to alter a cycle plan that has been researched heavily? Do they just not wanna pay for sumthing? If you were building a hot rod, would you leave out the transmission cuz it was too expensive?

If you were refering to me with this post the reason I am only doing 2 weeks on 2 weeks off is due to a holiday coming up that will stop me training and I want to be able to drink again. Also, I would like to see how my body reacts to it first before commiting to a 4 week cycle.

I do not want to run 4-ad as i would like to see the effects of M1T alone on my first cycle. Its not like I can never do a cycle again and this is my only chance to try 4-ad is it. I have 4-ad already but am going to use it when I do my second M1T cycle.

I am not in any way saying that NSA's cycle is wrong or could be improved, otherwise I would have started my own thread. This is just how I wish to proceed with things.

As for the hawthorne berry, I agree totally. Anyone that cant fork out a few quid for a basic supplement like that must need their head testing! Its not expensive at all and its going to help your body deal with the strain M1T puts on it.

In fact, for me personally the most expensive part of this cycle has been the Nolva and Clomid as I had to have it shipped to the UK.

Peace

Beefcake.........BEEFCAKE!

[birsling]

Relax there DD. SOM was not referring to just you, he and I were referring to the gobs of posts in the last week that seem very uneducated. It is frustrating to me, individually, to see so many uneducated posts when the information is right at your fingertips. This thread is available to everyone without even using the search button. It is at the top of the forum almost everyday. Hopefully soon to be STUCK there.

With that being said, please encourage people to read this thread, make educated decisions, and know what they are getting into. Never forget that a lot of people will jump in head first, without asking what is in the pool!

[Soldier of Misfortune]

Never forget that a lot of people will jump in head first, without asking what is in the pool!

Very nice analogy birsling. And another thing, this thread deff needs to be a sticky. What other thread has 6 pages that isnt one?

[birtcheh]

boys id like to thank everyone who has helped me with my m1t cycle...i got one more week left and its going great! i ha vent gained much weight..around10lbs but working everyday and not being able to eat when i want n **** has taken its toll but my strengths have went up so much in everything!last week i benched 205 on incline 4 times n struggled for 1...this week i did 225 4 times by myself and 1 more with a push..i love this!!! im planning on my next cycle already! thanks again to everyone who helped me!

[nsa]

Great to hear when people have results like this...

[FireFall26]

I have a few questions, I've never done this product and I am going to do it shortly. All those products you listed....hawhtorne, nolvadex, clomid therapy, etc..Are they all necessary? They added up to a lot of money, but if it is what I need then I can get it. For the cycle, how many weeks do I take the actual m-1t. I got the pill form, so. If a 17 yr older were to take this, would it be ok? I think he's done growing.
Do i take the pills everyday, or once a week?

[frankrom]

Thats all i can say... i've been researching for information like this for a week and i found it all in 1 spot! nsa your post is amazing i can't thank you enough for this great information...

However i am left with a few questions

I was told to take milk thistle AND Hawthorne Berry WHILE on the cycle... not as a PCT. What what do you think about that? and what were your reasons to take them as a PCT not during the 4 weeks ON?

and what liver protection supplement are you taking? i was recommend to Liv 52, i couldn't find any if your post.

Thanks again and i hope someone can answer this question even if its not nsa

Frank

[nsa]

Thats all i can say... i've been researching for information like this for a week and i found it all in 1 spot! nsa your post is amazing i can't thank you enough for this great information...

However i am left with a few questions

I was told to take milk thistle AND Hawthorne Berry WHILE on the cycle... not as a PCT. What what do you think about that? and what were your reasons to take them as a PCT not during the 4 weeks ON?

and what liver protection supplement are you taking? i was recommend to Liv 52, i couldn't find any if your post.

Thanks again and i hope someone can answer this question even if its not nsa

Frank

Milk thistle and hawthorne berry are good on cycle. I always said to take hawthorne berry during the cycle and the only reason i didn't say to take milk thistle during the cycle is because at the time some studies showed that it might hinder gains, but i think its best to take both while on cycle. Milk thistle is the best liver protectant there is, it actually has been shown in studies to help regenerate hepatic cells in the liver...

[frankrom]

Hmm i'm not sure if i understood you 100%...

So are you saying take Milk thistle and hawthorne berry while you are ON THE CYCLE and as a pct? Thats what i understood from the message, i just want to clearify it with you...

Oh and if i should be taking Milk Thistle during the cycle how much?

And what about Clomid should that only be taking PCT?

Thanks nsa for your quick reponse

[nsa]

Hmm i'm not sure if i understood you 100%...

So are you saying take Milk thistle and hawthorne berry while you are ON THE CYCLE and as a pct? Thats what i understood from the message, i just want to clearify it with you...

BOTH ON CYCLE AND ONLY MILK THISTLE DURING PCT

Oh and if i should be taking Milk Thistle during the cycle how much?

500 MG - 1000 GRAM ED

And what about Clomid should that only be taking PCT?

CLOMID IS ONLY USED DURING PCT

Thanks nsa for your quick reponse

Suggestions in caps and bold...

[nsa]

Bump. I edited the first post to include the common sides and how to counteract them. So you who don't know why i have hawthorne berry, milk thistle, etc. in the sample cycle read it...

[kingspade213]

nsa im 5-8 150pds and am going on a the cycle of m1t you recomend. my questions are how many calories, carbs and grams of protien should i be consuming each day? and also would it be to my advantage to stack 1ad with the cycle you wrote up?

[Soldier of Misfortune]

That dude should deff not do M1T at 130lbs. Get to at least 170-175 for your hieght at 5'8".

[nsa]

Bump for newbs...

[userabuser]

Can/Should I consider Clen and/or T3 during my PCT of m1t?

[MASTER]

Clen is always gd after a cycle, it is anti-catabolic, so will help u keep ur gains and will strip fat off ya 2.

[nsa]

I like clen, but im not a big fan of T3. Maybe try clen and ECA instead.

[D00fy]

this is my 2nd m1t cycle, first 2weeks i havent seen any progress bumping another 5mg to it like NSA suggested ,making it a total of 15mg ,i am starting to notice weight gain and muscle tightness ,since it took long for me to see anything can i continue with another 2weeks,making it a total of 6weeks?

i have novadex on hand and 6oxo............

[nsa]

I wouldn't take it to 6 weeks. Too much HPTA suppresion. not to mention hepatoxicity. Keep it to 4 weeks is my suggestion.

[userabuser]

Ordering information notes on M1T cycle.

I put this together from info in this thread and elsewhere on this forum. Hope you find it helpfull. Please let me know if you see any errors.

2 - bottles m1t (60 count – 5 ml)
One would do if you stay strictly to the example cycle, but not if you decide to increase dosage a tad.

2 - bottles s1+ or 4derm (4ad TransDermal) 3 sprays morning 5 at night for 30 days

2 – bottles Milk Thistle (30 count) Good for all cycles for Blood Pressure

Clomid
1 - bottles 60ml 50 mg/ml clomid (Clomiphene Citrate) clomid is for restoring your natural testosterone. 21 day supply.
Faq suggests 300mg first day, 100 for the next 10 days, 50 mg for final 10 days. This translates (when using this bottle) to:
6ml 1st day
2ml next 10 days
1ml for final 10 days
See conversion info below

Nolva
1 – bottles 60ml 20mg/ml Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) (Reduce Estragen rebound after cycle)
Faq suggests 40 mg for 1st two weeks, 20 mg second two weeks. This translates (when using this bottle) to:
2ml 1st two weeks
1 ml remaining two weeks

Conversion notes for Clomid and Nolva:
If its 20mg/ml bottle 1 dropper = 1ml = 20mg
Using a baby measuring syringe (found at most drug stores), is good way to measure.

Clomid and Nolva are prescription or research chemicals only. Search around on the forum or the internet, sources for those are fairly easy to come by.

[nsa]

M1t only needs one bottle.
4-ad should have same number of sprays each time.
Nolvadex and clomid are usually in 50 ml containers, but could vary depending on manufacturer.

[userabuser]

Thanks for the feedback.

M1t only needs one bottle.
4-ad should have same number of sprays each time.
Nolvadex and clomid are usually in 50 ml containers, but could vary depending on manufacturer.

Is my explanation on M1t inadequate? If they decide to go to 15ml ED, they'll run out.

On 4-ad Curious, wonder why? I, personally can't do 5 sprays in the morning. Trashes me out..

On the Nolva and Clomid, I agree, what I'm holding in my hand at the moment is 60ml.

Again, thanks for looking over it. I will edit as you think best.