You'll want to read this!

[Chris_Sweden]

Hey Ronnie,

First of all I want to start with saying THANK YOU for all your posts and info on AAS, PCT, cycles, training, nutrition and so on. Great knowledge, big help!
I've been researching on AAS for about 6 months, about 500 hrs of reading, and planning to start my first (real) cycle in two weeks (first ever cycle was 4 weeks of D-bol + 4 weeks of Winstrol).
I'm 33 yrs old and a former competitive triathlete, nowadays I do some ironmans ocassionally for fun, so I know all about hard training and suffering :-)
I did some serious weight training in my youth and have been doing maintenance weight training during my time as a triathlete, last year i was 175 lbs/5'7'' at 6% bodyfat, so I have a pretty solid base.
The last 10 months or so, I have gradually increased the weight and intensity to prepare the ligaments and joints for some really heavy weight training on AAS, so know I am ready to go :-)

I would really appreciate your thoughts on my planned training strategy and AAS cycle!

¤ 10 weeks Blast - 8 weeks Reload / 2 weeks Deload.
Reload:
1: 12-15 reps, 3-4 sets.
2: 9-11 reps, 3-4 sets.
3: 6-8 reps, 4-5 sets.
4: 3-5 reps, 4-5 sets.
5-8: same as above.

Deload:
9-10: 15-20 reps, 2-3 sets with LIGHT weights.

I will basically do ONE muscle group per session and ONE session per day. Ie: Back, Shoulders, Chest, Triceps, Biceps, Legs (in that order) and all over again. I usually do 3 separate core sessions each week.
And during every 4 week cycle I will focus on a specific muscle group and do an EXTRA session per week of that muscle group (still in the same rep/set range).
The last 3 blasts I have actually done each muscle group 2 times per week during Reload = 12 sessions, and 1 time during Deload = 6 sessions, and it has worked just fine!
What's your opinion on the two-times-per-muscle-strategy? Is it too much?

¤ 10 weeks AAS/PCT cycle - 8 weeks ON / 2 weeks OFF (PCT).
ON-cycle:
1-6: Methandionone, 30 mg ED.
1-6: Testosterone Cypionate, 500 mg/week (2x250 mg).
7-8: Testosterone Propionate, 500 mg/week (4x125 mg).
(1-8: Proviron, 25 mg ED)
(1-8: Arimidex, 0.5 mg ED)
(1-8: TUDCA, 250-500 mg ED)

I will adjust the Proviron and Arimidex dosage if necessary.
Do I need to switch to Test Prop the last two weeks, or can I go with Test C the whole cycle?
Whats your opinion on the D-Bol, is it safe for the liver to go 6 weeks ON - 4 weeks OFF continuously over a extended period of time?

OFF-cycle (PCT):
9-10: Nolvadex, 40 mg ED first week, 20 mg ED second week.
(Supplements: Tribulus, L-Arginine etc.)

I haven't decided on HCG yet. What do you think, do I need it? During AAS cycle and/or PCT?
During my 4+4 week D-bol/Winstrol cycle I had some serious problems with water retention, hence the Proviron/Arimidex added for upcoming cycle.
I'm planning on doing this 8+2 weeks cycle for 3-4 times, and the last cycle I'll replace the D-bol with Winstrol to get a nice cutting cycle.

I'm not sure what to do during the summer. I like to do some long distance endurance/cardio training such as swimming, biking, running. Should I continnue with the 8+2 cycle? Do a proper PCT and stay OFF? Cruise and try to maintain my gains? What does a good cruising cycle look like?

I think that was all, for now :-)

THANKS AGAIN Ronnie!

/Chris

[mockery]

she has a great bicep peaks in the third pic. I will try and get the movement down for the lunges. one of my friends who is pro suggest the same thing for lunges but i was confused because i was always led to believe they were a quad dominate exercise.

thanks.


3 other quick questions please.

1.) back width is better off with close grip pull ups and pull downs? ( i know this is always a heated debate )

2.) i cant barbell bench cause i have a small but in check right ac joint problem., my dumbbell flat bench is strong and feels good. but im not growing . My chest is about 10 inchs out of what it should be and its a major factor. What are your thoughts on dropping flat bench and using the hammerstrength iso decline machine, pull overs laying on teh bench with a rebox step under my feet and incline dumbells

3.) is dropping the weight on my shoulder exercises the only way i can limit the amount or traps involved? i have short clavicle range, i need my shoulders to surpass my traps so they don't get over shadowed by the trap. or would heavy shrugs first to fatigue the traps help at all in this role?

thanks

[Ronnie Rowland]

she has a great bicep peaks in the third pic. I will try and get the movement down for the lunges. one of my friends who is pro suggest the same thing for lunges but i was confused because i was always led to believe they were a quad dominate exercise.

thanks.


3 other quick questions please.

1.) back width is better off with close grip pull ups and pull downs? ( i know this is always a heated debate ) Back width is best obtained by using a dual cable life fitness pull down machine with two handles not the bar! Palms must face forward. When using a bar a medium grip is best because close grip is more lower_outer lats and biceps while a wide grip is more rhomboids/inner lats and brachials.

2.) i cant barbell bench cause i have a small but in check right ac joint problem., my dumbbell flat bench is strong and feels good. but im not growing . My chest is about 10 inchs out of what it should be and its a major factor. What are your thoughts on dropping flat bench and using the hammer strength iso decline machine, pull overs laying on teh bench with a rebox step under my feet and incline dumbells pullovers are a lat movement so drop them. Do the hammer strength for both the mid-lower chest and mid-upper chest! For my height, I put the seat on position 6 using a medium width grip to hit lower-mid chest. Set seat position all the way down to 10 to hit mid-upper chest and use a wide grip on this movement to involve more upper chest. Do 5 sets to failure per exercise once a week.

3.) is dropping the weight on my shoulder exercises the only way i can limit the amount or traps involved? i have short clavicle range, i need my shoulders to surpass my traps so they don't get over shadowed by the trap. or would heavy shrugs first to fatigue the traps help at all in this role? Just strop training traps if need be or cut back volume to 2 sets once a week. When doing lateral raises do them one arm at a time to take the traps out of the exercise as much as possible.

thanks

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[Bulkn]

Hey Ronnie! How you been, hope all is going well.
Now, i have a quick question for you:
I am right handed and right legged but i have a bigger left quad and bigger left tricep. I have been told my many people that theres not much i can really do about it but i'd like your thoughts and professional opinion on the matter and if there is any way i can bring up the lagging ones?

Thanks!

[lynxeffect1]

ron what would be your reccomended standard dosage of arimidex ? .5per day /1mg eod to 1mg per day at most if needed? also can you run such doses as that permanently or dependant on bloods? or better to use it with longer ester test and take a break when using prop

[alex.mitev]

Hey Ron, i`ve been using your method for the past 20 weeks or so and have huge progress so thank you. My last reload was 1gr test e + 40 mg dbol. Now i`m deloading at 250 mg test e and plan on running PCT followed by 4-6 weeks off from AAS.

For my next cycle, I can get hold of real Omnadren (sust 250) directly from the pharmacy for very insignificant amount of money! having said that, do you suggest I run sust alone 1 shot EOD, or add also 600 mg deca weekly (it will have serious impact from financial standpoint)? Deca will make big difference?

My intention is builiding more mass off season, diet will be 250-300 gr carbs, 150 gr fats, 320-250 gr protein and my weigt is 95 kg.

[slimshady01]

Thanks for the help Ron,


Hoping shoulder recovers soon. I appreciate your time and lengthy response.

[mockery]

I dropped flat bench, incline and dumbell press and no pain in my shoulder since.

Ive started to use the hammerstrength decline, that is plate loaded. i drop the seat way to the bottom and go max grip width, I REALLY FEEL MY CHEST WORKING FOR ONCE. ( if i go all the way back it hurts... so im not going all the way back, racking it sucks cause im scared im gonna hurt my self) I follow this with push ups with my feet on a flat bench. Im doing this to try and get much front delt work as possible as i haven't replaced the press's so currently nothing for front delt, it might not be the best way.. any input is useful. I may add in dumbbell pull overs with a rebox step under my feet and laying on the bench so my bum stays high to work the chest more.. again if this is correct form for targeting pec major and minor and my lions teeth.

My gym has those double cable pull machines so i will give this a try. i thought it was a gay looking piece of equipment. but i will try it.

I use the hammerstrength side lateral raise, and will start to do one arm at a time since they have separate moving arms. I make sure not to raise my palms above horizontal parallel so i don't impinge the rotators.

*i believe after i get back to my heavier lifts, just on a reset. that the shoulder issue might show itself during rear delt flys on the machine, currently no pain or discomfort.

**the plate loaded iso shoulder press, i sat in it man it feels very werid the angle you are at, for me anyways. is this normal or good?

[Ronnie Rowland]

i dropped flat bench, incline and dumbell press and no pain in my shoulder since.

Ive started to use the hammerstrength decline, that is plate loaded. I drop the seat way to the bottom and go max grip width, i really feel my chest working for once. ( if i go all the way back it hurts... So im not going all the way back, correct, do not go all the way back or it can cause shoulder pain and do not fully lock out because it can cause elbow pain! Racking it sucks cause im scared im gonna hurt my self) i follow this with push ups with my feet on a flat bench.do not follow up with pushups as this will take away from your next work set! im doing this to try and get much front delt work as possible as i haven't replaced the press's so currently nothing for front delt, it might not be the best way.. declines along will hit your front delts and you have the option of adding front raises. any input is useful. I may add in dumbbell pull overs with a rebox step under my feet and laying on the bench so my bum stays high to work the chest more..that will probably cause shoulder pain and still primarily hit the lats so do not do pullovers. again if this is correct form for targeting pec major and minor and my lions teeth.

My gym has those double cable pull machines so i will give this a try. I thought it was a gay looking piece of equipment. But i will try it.

I use the hammerstrength side lateral raise, and will start to do one arm at a time since they have separate moving arms. I make sure not to raise my palms above horizontal parallel so i don't impinge the rotators.

*i believe after i get back to my heavier lifts, just on a reset. That the shoulder issue might show itself during rear delt flys on the machine, currently no pain or discomfort.

**the plate loaded iso shoulder press, i sat in it man it feels very werid the angle you are at, for me anyways. Is this normal or good? i personally do not like the iso plate loaded shoulder press.

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[AZ Muscle]

Ronnie Rowland, what type of advice you have on this topic for people who are competing in strongman as opposed to bodybuilding? Would everything look the same for the 8 and 2?

[lynxeffect1]

hi ron, this time last year i was bloated as a barrell of water from continously upping the test dose on reloads when i realised i didnt need to be goin so high.anyhow the water weight put my bp up,but at the same time id to give up training due to job loss and few other things. i also went on 6 months of ac****ane which put my blood pressure threw da roof .im finished with accutane since around june i think. lost tons of weight since stopped training like 50 pounds also .on july 12 my bp was 160/88 so hit to treadmill every 2nd day and by july 18 it was 133/77. just what i was looking for ! but the past 2 months id had to stop the running and cant continue it again until 7 weeks time. so i tested my bp at random today and it was 135/93. what the hell? i thought it wud have gone down naturally by now even without any running??? why isnt it at normal range? im back trim and looking normal, althought i do find now even tho ive not lifted in a year ive more muscle and water than years ago when i never lifted weights. i was a classic ectomorphic skinny f*ck under weight! i was planning on hopefully getn back to them gym in the new year but obviously want to sort my bp out before hitn prop and tren to get down to single digit bodyfat first, den grow lean from there , i know ur goin to say hit the treadmill which i will , am i still carrying water weight dat i need to loose is this the reason for the still slighty high bp ? please help, never had any problems health wise with bp before or in the family, i did get and have sleep apnea tho which i attribute to the water weight from high test, i was carrying way way to much for about a full year, face was bloated permanently! but have a cpap for that which has gone down to only about 6 episodes a time, compared to double that when i didnt have the cpap, i expect it to be down more in jan for my next check

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ron, this time last year i was bloated as a barrell of water from continously upping the test dose on reloads when i realised i didnt need to be goin so high.anyhow the water weight put my bp up, you have to keep your body fat and salt levels in check when running high dosages of test and run masteron and/or other anti-es to keep water down if you have these issues. Cialis helps as well. But at the same time id to give up training due to job loss and few other things. I also went on 6 months of ac****ane which put my blood pressure threw da roof .im finished with accutane since around june i think. they now have a topical acne medication called epiduo that i strongly recommend over accutane. lost tons of weight since stopped training like 50 pounds also .on july 12 my bp was 160/88 so hit to treadmill every 2nd day and by july 18 it was 133/77. Just what i was looking for ! But the past 2 months id had to stop the running and cant continue it again until 7 weeks time. So i tested my bp at random today and it was 135/93. What the hell? you need to continue cardio year round and keep body fat levels in check! i thought it wud have gone down naturally by now even without any running??? Why isnt it at normal range? Im back trim and looking normal, althought i do find now even tho ive not lifted in a year ive more muscle and water than years ago when i never lifted weights. I was a classic ectomorphic skinny f*ck under weight! I was planning on hopefully getn back to them gym in the new year but obviously want to sort my bp out before hitn prop and tren to get down to single digit bodyfat first, den grow lean from there , i know ur goin to say hit the treadmill which i will , am i still carrying water weight dat i need to loose is this the reason for the still slighty high bp ? genetically you are predisposed to high blood pressure and you need to keep body fat levels low year round and yes cardio helps as well.cialis is another option. I would get on high blood pressure medication if all else fails but i feel you can fix this problem without high blood pressure meds. You need to be consistent with training and diet to normalize blood pressure. please help, never had any problems health wise with bp before or in the family, i did get and have sleep apnea tho which i attribute to the water weight from high test, i was carrying way way to much for about a full year, face was bloated permanently! face bloat equals high body fat and water levels causing blood pressure to increase. You may have to keep test dosages low since you are so sensitive. 500 mgs weekly may be all you can handle. but have a cpap for that which has gone down to only about 6 episodes a time, compared to double that when i didnt have the cpap, i expect it to be down more in jan for my next check sleep apnea causes blood pressure to increase!

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[lynxeffect1]

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my diet was always clean so it was nearly all water weight because if i used take a break and use sum hcg , id loose all water weight after a few weeks. yes i will be reintroducing cardio soon. i disagree that im genetically predisposed to high bp because ive never had it before using steroids, or during using steroids, only when i got sleep apnea, then it went up and increased again during accutane. so taking this into consideration could it be high at the moment soley from sleep apnea ? i thought the cpap would bring it down to normal range. wud it be best to get bp in check first before starting prop tren or cud using prop, tren with cardio actually help this because id be cuting to loose fat and water weight ?

[Ares75]

Lynxeffect1 I can't contact u but u can me if u would?

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=lynxeffect1;6245961]my diet was always clean so it was nearly all water weight because if i used take a break and use sum hcg , id loose all water weight after a few weeks. yes i will be reintroducing cardio soon. i disagree that im genetically predisposed to high bp because ive never had it before using steroids, or during using steroids, only when i got sleep apnea, then it went up and increased again during accutane. so taking this into consideration could it be high at the moment soley from sleep apnea ? i thought the cpap would bring it down to normal range. wud it be best to get bp in check first before starting prop tren or cud using prop, tren with cardio actually help this because id be cuting to loose fat and water weight ? THE BODY DOES STRANGE THINGS. I WOULD USE SMALL DOSES OF TEST/TREN TO GAIN MUSCLE AND LOSE WEIGHT, GET OFF THE ACCUTANE AND GET SOME TOPICAL EPIDUO FOR ACNE AND YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE SHOULD GO DOWN AFTER A WHILE USING THE CPAP. LACK OF REM SLEEP AND SLEEP APNEA CAUSES BLOOD PRESSURE TO GO UP AND INCREASES ONES RICK FOR HEART ATTACK AND STROKE,[/QUOTE]ABOVE

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie rowland, what type of advice you have on this topic for people who are competing in strongman as opposed to bodybuilding? Would everything look the same for the 8 and 2? yes, i would keep it the same!

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[AlexanderEnglish]

Man, what a fantastic guide. As a newbie to anabolics I found this extremely helpful. Thank you very much for taking the time to write it up.

[mockery]

1.) Thanks for the advice on the decline still hitting the front delts., before i read this earlier today i did front raises instead of pull overs or push ups and just did one more set of the decline. still no shoulder pain!! so avoiding flys, flat and incline bench and shoulder press seems to be helping! i mean there is not even a little tweak of pain any where.

2.) I tryied the double cable lat pull down with palms out, i liked it and i have more control with the range of motion to really target the lat contraction.

3.) i have the lifefitness cable pull machines all the women work on, it doesnt have the bench attached, i could just put a bunch in there and place the pully at the very bottom for shoulder press's?

Hope you have a safe and speedy recovery, its amazing you still get online with a back fusion. ouch.

[Ronnie Rowland]

1.) thanks for the advice on the decline still hitting the front delts., before i read this earlier today i did front raises instead of pull overs or push ups and just did one more set of the decline. Still no shoulder pain!! So avoiding flys, flat and incline bench and shoulder press seems to be helping! I mean there is not even a little tweak of pain any where. great!

2.) i tryied the double cable lat pull down with palms out, i liked it and i have more control with the range of motion to really target the lat contraction. exactly!

3.) i have the lifefitness cable pull machines all the women work on, it doesnt have the bench attached, i could just put a bunch in there and place the pully at the very bottom for shoulder press's? you could try if the pulleys at the bottom aren't too far apart

hope you have a safe and speedy recovery, its amazing you still get online with a back fusion. Ouch.i'm doing much better now! Got my muscle back and less pain. The orthopaedic spine surgeon i have is amazing!

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[Ares75]

Hello Ronnie! I've fallowed sts for 1 1/2 years and have made awesome gains natural. Today I've took my first pin! It feels like a mule kicked me in the thigh lol. I am looking foreword to making gains through your knowledge! Thank you very much Ronnie! I'm. New to all this and will probably need your guidance from time to time. I will try to get most of my q and a from past threads but really wanted to say thank you!

[Ronnie Rowland]

hello ronnie! I've fallowed sts for 1 1/2 years and have made awesome gains natural. Today i've took my first pin! It feels like a mule kicked me in the thigh lol. I am looking foreword to making gains through your knowledge! Thank you very much ronnie! I'm. New to all this and will probably need your guidance from time to time. I will try to get most of my q and a from past threads but really wanted to say thank you! you are welcome!

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[adamjames]

well despite your great advice ron i decided to run a short test prop cycle at 400 mg ew for my first cycle just to test the water, went very well loved it no sides gained 20 pounds but plenty of water, now 2 months after pct ive kept 10 so im pretty happy, anyway im probably going to follow your protocol for my next cycle im looking to take it to the next level and this is what i have in mind, bear in mind i got my tren and primo cheap because they go out of date in 16 weeks so thats the reason im running 3 compounds as apposed to 2 which might be recommended for a second cycle and my goal is lean mass, im looking to get in the single digits bodyfat currently at 14 percent aiming for 5 percent, here goes

Test E Weeks 1 - 8 - 200 mg ew
primo E weeks 1 - 8 - 400 mg ew

test E weeks 9 - 10 - 200 mg ew
primo E weeks 9 - 10 - ????

test E weeks 11 - 18 - 200 mg ew( im very prone to moon face and i dont want to take anti Es im not a fan im only running the test to avoid complete shutdown )
primo E weeks 11 - 18 - 500 mg ew
tren E weeks 11 - 18 - 250 mg ew

what do you think mate how does it all look? i know the doses are relatively low but i have mild asthma so im starting low on the tren and i only have limited amount of primo due to the cost of it, and also just another quick question sort of unrelated, is it common for bodybuilders to come into shows on high doses of test?? or do they cut the test out completely a few weeks before to get that real crazy dry look?? whats the common practice? thanks

[Ronnie Rowland]

well despite your great advice ron i decided to run a short test prop cycle at 400 mg ew for my first cycle just to test the water, went very well loved it no sides gained 20 pounds but plenty of water, now 2 months after pct ive kept 10 so im pretty happy, anyway im probably going to follow your protocol for my next cycle im looking to take it to the next level and this is what i have in mind, bear in mind i got my tren and primo cheap because they go out of date in 16 weeks so thats the reason im running 3 compounds as apposed to 2 which might be recommended for a second cycle and my goal is lean mass, im looking to get in the single digits bodyfat currently at 14 percent aiming for 5 percent, here goes

test e weeks 1 - 8 - 200 mg ew
primo e weeks 1 - 8 - 400 mg ew

test e weeks 9 - 10 - 200 mg ew
primo e weeks 9 - 10 - ???? drop primo and use test only during 2 week deload.

test e weeks 11 - 18 - 200 mg ew( im very prone to moon face and i dont want to take anti es im not a fan im only running the test to avoid complete shutdown )
primo e weeks 11 - 18 - 500 mg ew
tren e weeks 11 - 18 - 250 mg ew

what do you think mate how does it all look? looks fine but i would increase test to 4-500 mgs weekly. That amount should not cause moon face unless you gain body fat. Your body adjust to the test after a while and you won't hold as much water as it did at the beginning. I know the doses are relatively low but i have mild asthma so im starting low on the tren keep tren at 150 mgs weekly if you have asthma then bump up to 250 if you do okay after a couple of weeks. KEEP A RESCUE INHALER WITH YOU AT ALL TIMES!!! and i only have limited amount of primo due to the cost of it, and also just another quick question sort of unrelated, is it common for bodybuilders to come into shows on high doses of test?? yes until the last 2-3 weeks. Or do they cut the test out completely a few weeks before to get that real crazy dry look?? most cut it out 2-3 weeks out but a few keep it in and use a mild diurectic and strong anti-es like letro whats the common practice? dropping it 2-3 weeks out is best! thanks

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[canesfan804]

Also I am not on AAS. waiting on a few things for now. Not sure if you would recomend STS without or not. Figured that is for MAXIMUM results.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Also I am not on AAS. waiting on a few things for now. Not sure if you would recomend STS without or not. Figured that is for MAXIMUM results.

Slingshot Training was designed for both the natural and chemically enhanced trainers!

[bigp87]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;6111180]

Hey Ronnie, great thread!

I consider myself a Endomorph body type, can gain bodyfat fairly easy etc.

I'm weighing around 200LBS at the moment, 5"7, 25 years old with bodyfat at around 16% i'd estimate. I am currently on cutting cycle consiting of sus & Tren, and used dbol for kickstart.

I'm considering doing a 20 week slingshot cycle as you have outlined. I have done fair few cycles in the past, and I don't feel many side effects however the gear is 100%. I am quite tolerant to most drugs I would say...

I want a pure out lean mass cycle, with maximum muscle gained as possible.., what do do you think of the following for someone with my stats.

The highest mg cycle so far i have ran is Test E @ 750mg, Deca @400mg, DBOL @ 40mg ed.

Week 1-8: Test E - 500mg - 750mg ??
Week 1-8: Deca - 400mg
week 1-8: Dbol - 25mg - 30mg (can I run higher?)

Week 9-10: Test E - 250mg

Week 11-18: Test E - 1000mg
Week 11-18: Deca - 500mg or Tren E - 400mg ?
Week 11-18: Dbol - 50mg ED

Week 19-20 Test E 250mg

Week 21-24: Nolva 20/20/20/20
Week 21-24 Clomid 50/50/50/50

Would these dosages be alright? Or should I up them further.
Should I replace the deca with tren for the full 20 weeks?

Thanks a lot appreciate it.[/QUOTE]DECA, TEST AND D-BOL IS A BETTER CHOICE FOR ECTOMORPHS! SINCE YOU ARE AN ENDOMORPH I WOULD FOCUS PRIMARILY ON TEST/TREN/MASTERON! THROW IN 40 MGS OF ANAVAR OR T-BOL DAILY FOR EXTRA STRENGTH GAINS. SET UP A CYCLE USING THESE COMPOUNDS AND POST IT SO I CAN CRITIQUE IT FOR YOU!

Thanks for reply Ron!
I've put something like this together, what would you change? (Want MAXIMUM muscle gains, not concerned about side effects)

Week 1-8: Test E - 250mg (I have enough to run 500mg-750mg here, would I benefit from extra test or just more sides due to elevated estrogen?)
Week 1-8: Tren E: 600mg
week 1-8: Dbol - 30mg (can I run higher? i.e 50mg)

Week 9-10: Test E - 250mg

Week 11-18: Test E - 250mg (again, can run more, but been reading a lot more about using low dose test with high tren ratio, your opinion for max gains?)
Week 11-18: Tren E - 600-800mg?

Week 21-24: Nolva 20/20/20/20
Week 21-24 Clomid 50/50/50/50

Are nolvadex or clomid necessary if i wanna come off all gear? A lot of people are telling me doesn't make a differece if you come off cold turkey as your body will recover naturally...

THANKS RON!!!

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=bigp87;6257555]

Thanks for reply Ron!
I've put something like this together, what would you change? (Want MAXIMUM muscle gains, not concerned about side effects)

Week 1-8: Test E - 250mg (I have enough to run 500mg-750mg here, would I benefit from extra test or just more sides due to elevated estrogen?) Go with more test....750 mgs weekly!
Week 1-8: Tren E: 600mg
week 1-8: Dbol - 30mg (can I run higher? i.e 50mg) Use 50mgs daily for maximum gains

Week 9-10: Test E - 250mg

Week 11-18: Test E - 250mg (again, can run more, but been reading a lot more about using low dose test with high tren ratio, your opinion for max gains?) use high dosages of both test and tren combined for maximum gains!
Week 11-18: Tren E - 600-800mg?

Week 21-24: Nolva 20/20/20/20
Week 21-24 Clomid 50/50/50/50

Are nolvadex or clomid necessary if i wanna come off all gear? A lot of people are telling me doesn't make a differece if you come off cold turkey as your body will recover naturally...What you need is HCG during PCT. Clomid is not a must and causes emotional problems for many. Use anti-es only if anti-es are used during a cycle. I would add 2-300 mgs of masteron weekly to the reloads to keep estrogen levels a little lower. You may need some cialis as well.

THANKS RON!!!

ABOVE

[juststartingnow]

wow you are the man, great info,keepem comming bro.

[Gi812Many]

Hey Ronnie, long time now talk. Im still alive and kicking it! Want to thank you for everything, I have transformed my body in to a work of art!! Can not imagen what another year and half will bring. Need your advice on something, women. If you were going to put a woman on a regiment to put on some lean body mass what would it be? Anavar, Winstrol or Primobolan or all? Anything else you suggest other than those. What kind of dosages? Test is out of the question.

[The Titan99]

Hey Ron,
I was just checking out Melanotan II. This stuff comes in 10 mg vials. How do you take this stuff (dosage) and is it true it increases sex drive? Saw a documentary where they called it the "Barbie Drug". Looks pretty cool. Do you know of any negative sides with this stuff? Also, I talked with a girl at the gym about giving my GF Anavar. She said it's great, but she takes 100 mg of Test E per week too and says it's awesome!! I suppose this is like anything else, being different from individual to individual, but do you think it's best to give her the 10 mg of Var first and see how it goes? She ready to do whatever I say and trusts me completely so I don't want to hurt her and would like to be extra safe. I've never had to take someone else into consideration as far as AAS goes. For me I have almost no sides regardless of doses, like I'm made for this. I'm worrying much more about her than I do about myself with this.

[The Titan99]

Hey Ronnie, long time now talk. Im still alive and kicking it! Want to thank you for everything, I have transformed my body in to a work of art!! Can not imagen what another year and half will bring. Need your advice on something, women. If you were going to put a woman on a regiment to put on some lean body mass what would it be? Anavar, Winstrol or Primobolan or all? Anything else you suggest other than those. What kind of dosages? Test is out of the question.

I didn't read this. I'm interested here too of course.

[Ronnie Rowland]

I didn't read this. I'm interested here too of course.

10 mgs of anavar daily for starters. The second level would be to add 1/4 cc of deca once a week along with the anavar . The third level would be to use 10 mgs of anavar daily and alternate 1/4 cc of deca every other week with 1/4cc of test cypionate.

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey ronnie, long time now talk. Im still alive and kicking it! Want to thank you for everything, i have transformed my body in to a work of art!! Can not imagen what another year and half will bring. Need your advice on something, women. If you were going to put a woman on a regiment to put on some lean body mass what would it be? Anavar, winstrol or primobolan or all? Anything else you suggest other than those. What kind of dosages? Test is out of the question.

10 mgs of anavar daily for starters. Next level would be to add 1/4 cc of deca once a week along with the anavar . The last level would be to use 10 mgs of anavar daily and alternate 1/4 cc of deca every other week with 1/4cc of test cypionate.[/b]

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie, long time now talk. Im still alive and kicking it! Want to thank you for everything, I have transformed my body in to a work of art!! Can not imagen what another year and half will bring. Need your advice on something, women. If you were going to put a woman on a regiment to put on some lean body mass what would it be? Anavar, Winstrol or Primobolan or all? Anything else you suggest other than those. What kind of dosages? Test is out of the question.QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;6266937] 10 mgs of anavar daily for starters. Next level would be to add 1/4 cc of deca once a week along with the anavar . [/b]

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[morado02]

Hi Ronnie:

I am starting my 3rd week of a reload of 600 mg Test Cyp and 400 mg Deca weekly, and so far so good.
Now my 8th week will be last week of December, and the 2 weeks deload will be the 1st two weeks of January.
I want to enter a small local competition (I live in Costa Rica) that will be on march 24th, but my question is how should I do it?
If I go with the 2 weeks deload it will give me no much time for the prep, less than 12 weeks, should i still do it? or just skip it and go straight to cutting cycle?
And what about to the cutting cutting cycle? what compounds will be the best to take? Keep on mind I have access to Test E, test C, Mast P, wins, Tren A,anavar, equip and maybe test prop.

Thanks for the help

P.S I know diet is the key and that's why I have it on check every week.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hi Ronnie:

I am starting my 3rd week of a reload of 600 mg Test Cyp and 400 mg Deca weekly, and so far so good.
Now my 8th week will be last week of December, and the 2 weeks deload will be the 1st two weeks of January.
I want to enter a small local competition (I live in Costa Rica) that will be on march 24th, but my question is how should I do it?
If I go with the 2 weeks deload it will give me no much time for the prep, less than 12 weeks, should i still do it? or just skip it and go straight to cutting cycle?
And what about to the cutting cutting cycle? what compounds will be the best to take? Keep on mind I have access to Test E, test C, Mast P, wins, Tren A,anavar, equip and maybe test prop. Skip deload and go straight into cutting cycle! I would use test-e (1 cc eod for 9 weeks) stop 3 weeks out from show, 40 mgs of anavar daily to help maintain strength for 12 weeks til day of show, 40 mgs of winstrol daily (last 6 weeks only until day of show), masteron (1cc eod) 12 weeks out until day before show, tren (1cc eod then increase to 2 ccs eod 3 weeks out from show when test is dropped and have last tren 2ccs/mast1cc injection 1 day before the show in upper glutes..If you could handle the side effects use 1cc of tren ed for last 8 weeks). I would not use winstrol for 6 weeks without some deca. Deca is stopped 4 weeks out from show.

Thanks for the help

P.S I know diet is the key and that's why I have it on check every week.

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[morado02]

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Thanks for the help Ronnie

just two questions?

The Tren I should do it for 12 weeks and and just increase the dose the last 3 weeks?

And about the Wins, If can;t find the pills version, how should I do it with the injections? Dose and time

Thanks again

[markandspike]

hello ronnie.
If i were to use test e (600mg/week) and dbol (20mg daily) during a blast would i use dbol for the whole 8 weeks or just part of the blast so keeping my liver in better health.
thanks
mark

[The Titan99]

Hey Ron,
I was just checking out Melanotan II. This stuff comes in 10 mg vials. How do you take this stuff (dosage) and is it true it increases sex drive? Saw a documentary where they called it the "Barbie Drug". Looks pretty cool. Do you know of any negative sides with this stuff?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron,
I was just checking out Melanotan II. This stuff comes in 10 mg vials. How do you take this stuff (dosage) and is it true it increases sex drive? Saw a documentary where they called it the "Barbie Drug". Looks pretty cool. Do you know of any negative sides with this stuff?

First beware of counterfeit products being sold by underground labs that could pose a hazard to your health. I've never used it personally but I know of others who have and some got nauseated and light headed while others did not. Start out with .025mgs daily then progress to .05mgs after 4 days if well tolerated. Melonotan-II is know forr accelerating tanning, increasing libido and reducing ones appetite. Let us know how it works and i would inject it into the abs just like GH shots using an insulin pin. above