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    Quote Originally Posted by vantheman View Post
    i am doing 9 sets for reloading now, for quads that is.
    What is the minimum amount for a major muscle group, you would suggest? Duringa reload.
    6 sets.

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    Reading this website a lot again in the the last couple days there seems to be a lot of conflicting advice and it is a little overwhelming figuring out what to do and who to listen to.

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    I've read through this thread a few times plus the other Slingshot threads and I think I get the principle without using steroid. But, how does this fit into only wanting to do one AAS cycle (no bridging) that typically lasts 12 weeks? Or can it not work like this?

    I'm just trying to figure out the best way to keep the gains after a cycle (new to this).

    Could you, say, do a test-only cycle of 1-12 weeks, and then start PCT, after 2 or 3 weeks while starting a new reload period to keep gains? I list it below, or is this a recipe for disaster?

    So:
    Week 1 - AAS, reload
    Week 2 - AAS, reload
    Week 3 - AAS, reload
    Week 4 - AAS, reload
    Week 5 - AAS, reload
    Week 6 - AAS, reload
    Week 7 - AAS, reload
    Week 8 - AAS, reload
    Week 9 - AAS, deload
    Week 10 - AAS, deload
    Week 11 - AAS, reload
    Week 12 - AAS, reload
    Week 13 - break, reload
    Week 14 - break, reload
    Week 15 - break, reload
    Week 16 - PCT, reload
    Week 17 - PCT, reload
    Week 18 - PCT, reload
    Week 19 - PCT, deload
    Week 20 - deload
    Week 21 - reload
    Last edited by musclebear; 09-30-2009 at 10:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by musclebear View Post
    I've read through this thread a few times plus the other Slingshot threads and I think I get the principle without using steroid. But, how does this fit into only wanting to do one AAS cycle (no bridging) that typically lasts 12 weeks? Or can it not work like this?

    I'm just trying to figure out the best way to keep the gains after a cycle (new to this).

    Could you, say, do a test-only cycle of 1-12 weeks, and then start PCT, after 2 or 3 weeks while starting a new reload period to keep gains? I list it below, or is this a recipe for disaster?

    So:
    Week 1 - AAS, reload
    Week 2 - AAS, reload
    Week 3 - AAS, reload
    Week 4 - AAS, reload
    Week 5 - AAS, reload
    Week 6 - AAS, reload
    Week 7 - AAS, reload
    Week 8 - AAS, reload
    Week 9 - AAS, deload
    Week 10 - AAS, deload
    Week 11 - AAS, reload
    Week 12 - AAS, reload
    Week 13 - break, reload
    Week 14 - break, reload
    Week 15 - break, reload
    Week 16 - PCT, reload
    Week 17 - PCT, reload
    Week 18 - PCT, reload
    Week 19 - PCT, deload
    Week 20 - deload
    Week 21 - reload
    IMO this is not a good approach! If you are wanting to run a 12 week cycle it's best to break it up into 2, 6 week cycles as described below.



    Week 1 - AAS, reload
    Week 2 - AAS, reload
    Week 3 - AAS, reload
    Week 4 - AAS, reload
    Week 5 - AAS, reload
    Week 6 - AAS, reload (end of first 6 week cycle)
    Week 7 - AAS, DELOAD
    Week 8 - AAS, DELOAD
    Week 9 - AAS, reload
    Week 10 - AAS, reload
    Week 11 - AAS, reload
    Week 12 - AAS, reload
    Week 13 - break, reload
    Week 14 - break, reload (end of second 6 week cycle)
    Week 15 - PCT, DELOAD
    Week 16 - PCT, DELOAD
    Week 18 - back to reload

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland View Post
    IMO this is not a good approach! If you are wanting to run a 12 week cycle it's best to break it up into 2, 6 week cycles as described below.



    Week 1 - AAS, reload
    Week 2 - AAS, reload
    Week 3 - AAS, reload
    Week 4 - AAS, reload
    Week 5 - AAS, reload
    Week 6 - AAS, reload (end of first 6 week cycle)
    Week 7 - AAS, DELOAD
    Week 8 - AAS, DELOAD
    Week 9 - AAS, reload
    Week 10 - AAS, reload
    Week 11 - AAS, reload
    Week 12 - AAS, reload
    Week 13 - break, reload
    Week 14 - break, reload (end of second 6 week cycle)
    Week 15 - PCT, DELOAD
    Week 16 - PCT, DELOAD
    Week 18 - back to reload
    Awesome, thank you very much for taking the time to answer my question!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 07sandiegomuscle View Post
    Reading this website a lot again in the the last couple days there seems to be a lot of conflicting advice and it is a little overwhelming figuring out what to do and who to listen to.
    ronnie...has a great rep in south carolina... as being a top-dog trainer for competitive and recreational bodybuilders alike...alot of knowledge on here and ron...is certainly one of them..

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    Quote Originally Posted by VASCULAR VINCE View Post
    ronnie...has a great rep in south carolina... as being a top-dog trainer for competitive and recreational bodybuilders alike...alot of knowledge on here and ron...is certainly one of them..
    Thanks, I will pay attention to him

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    Quote Originally Posted by 07sandiegomuscle View Post
    Reading this website a lot again in the the last couple days there seems to be a lot of conflicting advice and it is a little overwhelming figuring out what to do and who to listen to.
    It's all based upon your personal goals and how far you are willing to take things.

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    wow, lots of info, read all of it. great stuff, thanks a lot

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    Gotcha!

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    thanks for the info and the clarifications Ronnie!

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    I've been running prop and npp for about 12 weeks and have notice the gains have stopped. I was planning on running prop and tren for the next 4 weeks then post cycle for a few months. Do you think it would be a better idea to post cycle for 2 weeks and run a deload, then start prop and tren for 8 weeks while doing a reload? Then I would post cycle for 2 weeks (deload) and then run prop and npp for 8 weeks (reload), and so on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ds21 View Post
    i've been running prop and npp for about 12 weeks and have notice the gains have stopped. I was planning on running prop and tren for the next 4 weeks then post cycle for a few months. Do you think it would be a better idea to post cycle for 2 weeks and run a deload, then start prop and tren for 8 weeks while doing a reload? Then i would post cycle for 2 weeks (deload) and then run prop and npp for 8 weeks (reload), and so on?
    yes!

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    Ronnie..which are best,,,, mass building steroids???

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    Quote Originally Posted by VASCULAR VINCE View Post
    Ronnie..which are best,,,, mass building steroids???
    It would be the drugs your body can handle without experiencing bad side effects! It can be different for each individual.

    For building maximum muscle mass heavy androgens are best for people who can tolerate them. This would include your base drug (testosterone) and it would be used in conjunction with other drugs like tren, deca, equipoise, d-ball and even anadrol for those who do not experience a decrease in appetite.

    NOTE: I've witnessed that getting huge requires having the genetics to take the drugs in high enough quantities to not experience bad side effects.

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    Thanks! Answers were spot on.

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    Ronnie Another Q.

    1. For the loading phase if i am planning to do 12 sets, is this inclusive of warmup sets or are warm upset outside the 12 loading sets

    2. Is each set done to failure? High rep range 12-15 or low rep range 3-8

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by ridedivefx View Post
    Ronnie Another Q.

    1. For the loading phase if i am planning to do 12 sets, is this inclusive of warmup sets or are warm upset outside the 12 loading sets

    2. Is each set done to failure? High rep range 12-15 or low rep range 3-8

    Thanks
    1) During the 8 week reloading phase, if you are planning to do let's say 12 sets for your chest, then warm up sets would not be included in those 12 sets. I generally do 3 warm up sets before going into the work sets with chest.

    2) Each set is taken to good failure (to a point you cannot get another good rep). The ideal rep-range is 8-12 reps but it's good prcatice to hit as low as 4 reps on occasion with some compound exercises if it does not cause joint pain and going as high as 15 reps is also good.

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    Thanks for the time to put something like this together.

    I have a question regarding the PCT/Deload. If your using test e or Sustanon as your testosterone, they typically take 2-3 weeks to completely leave your system. IMO it is best to wait until the compound is out before starting PCT. I also saw my best gains on cycle in weeks 8-10. I would be afraid to deload right when I'm at my peak. I have not tried this slingshot method so I could be completely off based on my experience.

    I would think that a prolonged training cycle, say 8-12 months of this, would not allow your body to produce testosterone naturally.

    Would it be best to use different compounds such as test prop?
    Since your body is never producing test on it's own I would think that the possiblility of shutting down the production is very high, do you have a different opinion on this?

    This looks like a fantastic program and makes complete sense, I just worry about the prolonged use of AAS for someone that is not training for a competition.

    This method just completely differs from everything I have learned and been educated on. I am not trying to contradict you, I am just curious as to what are your thoughts are on this?

    Thanks in Advance-

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    Fantastic reading !!!

    Out of curiosity what dosage would you recomend in the deload phase ?

    Say you are running
    500mg test e ew
    400mg deca ew

    would you up the dosage on the aas on the next reload phase or would you up the dosage every other/every 4th reload phase etc ? or would you gauge this on when you feel you need to up the dosages because gains are no longer happening as much ?

    How much would you increase your intake of aas when required to ?

    Thanks for the great article very impressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPO View Post
    Fantastic reading !!!

    Out of curiosity what dosage would you recomend in the deload phase ?

    Say you are running
    500mg test e ew
    400mg deca ew

    deload- 300 mgs of test ew

    would you up the dosage on the aas on the next reload phase or would you up the dosage every other/every 4th reload phase etc ? or would you gauge this on when you feel you need to up the dosages because gains are no longer happening as much ? USE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF ASS NEEDED TO MAKE NOTICEABLE GAINS IN LEAN MUSCLE TISSUE. ONCE THE GAINS STOP YOU'LL HAVE TO INCREASE THE DOSAGE REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S EVERY OTHER RELOAD OR EVERY RELOAD. IT'S DIFFERENT FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE. THE MORE ADVANCED ONE BECOMES THE LESS OPTIONS THEY HAVE IN REGARDS TO INCREASING DOSAGES! PROS MOSTLY MAINTAIN WHAT THEY HAVE BUILT ONCE THEY HIT A CERTAIN LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT. ONE CAN GET FAIRLY CLOSE TO THEIR GENETIC PEAK IN ABOUT 4 YEARS USING SLINGSHOT TRAINING WHEN THEY DO IT IN AN AGGRESIVE MANNER. GAINS IN MUSCLE MATURITY WILL CONTINUE.

    How much would you increase your intake of aas when required to ? YOUR NEXT STEP GOING BY YOUR CYCLE ABOVE WOULD BE 750 MGS OF TEST PER WEEK AND KEEP THE DECA AT 400 MGS.
    Thanks for the great article very impressive.
    ANSWERS Above in bold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaron1mix View Post
    thanks for the time to put something like this together.

    I have a question regarding the pct/deload. If your using test e or sustanon as your testosterone, they typically take 2-3 weeks to completely leave your system. Imo it is best to wait until the compound is out before starting pct. not neccesary i also saw my best gains on cycle in weeks 8-10. You saw best gains at week 8 because this is the point where full=adaptation takes place. I would be afraid to deload right when i'm at my peak. Take your gains and run so you will be able to can come back faster and make gains again! I have not tried this slingshot method so i could be completely off based on my experience.

    I would think that a prolonged training cycle, say 8-12 months of this, would not allow your body to produce testosterone naturally. When you feel the need to do a 4 week pct from time to time you simply do a 2 week prime following the 2 week deload. This will give you a break! ha

    would it be best to use different compounds such as test prop? Not neccesary and all those injections are more painful.
    Since your body is never producing test on it's own i would think that the possiblility of shutting down the production is very high, do you have a different opinion on this? If you fear getting shut down you could do a 4 week pct combined of a 2 week deload-2 week prime) on a more frequent basis or do an occasional 8 week reload training without any anabolics AFTER a 4 week PCT. slingshot training is set up for making maximum muscle gains but adjustments can be made if need be.

    this looks like a fantastic program and makes complete sense, i just worry about the prolonged use of aas for someone that is not training for a competition. In your case you should consider an occasional 8 week reload using zero steroids.

    This method just completely differs from everything i have learned and been educated on. I am not trying to contradict you, i am just curious as to what are your thoughts are on this?

    Thanks in advance-
    answers above in bold.

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    ^^^^ Thanks Bro. It's always good to get some new opinions. I think I will try it without AAS on my next break. Looking forward to the new program.

    Good Read by the way!

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    great read. just wow a lot of great info

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    Hi Ronnie. Thanks for the information, this was a great read. Thanks.

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    I would be almost certain that someone would have asked you this already, but this thread is just too damn long! U appoach a cutting cycle with the typical game plan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Lalanne View Post
    I would be almost certain that someone would have asked you this already, but this thread is just too damn long! U appoach a cutting cycle with the typical game plan? No! On a cutting cycle there is no deloads. You stay on an extended reload.
    above

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland View Post
    No! On a cutting cycle there is no deloads. You stay on an extended reload.
    Ron, I am currently on a cut and was wondering about what you mentioned above. So I can just stay at the same levels of test/tren/etc for say 16 weeks or do I bump it up at some point? Now what about orals? I am running Winny at 50mg a day. I'm nervous on going over 8 weeks on orals, is it ok to run that long or should I drop that at 8 weeks and maybe bump the Tren up another 100mg?

    Thanks!

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    a tribute to mr.rowland. the man is even much more impressive in person. cant say enough good things about him.

    The thrill of working hard to show improvement within myself has long been my dream and desire. For as long as I can remember, my ambition to be the very best at bodybuilding has always been ingrained in my soul. In the fall of 2008, I suffered an injury to my lower lumbar section which threatened my bodybuilding career and overall lifestyle. I blew out my L-5 and L-4 disk performing still legged deadlifts. I was out of work for several months and began suffering depression.
    I was determined to find the best spine surgeon and rehabilitation therapy out there so I could get back on stage. As the old saying goes “everything happens for a reason.”’ In 2009 I went to a bodybuilding show in South Carolina with a friend even though I did not feel up to the task. The intense pain radiating into my lower extremities had taken control of my life to the point I could barely walk. It was there my luck changed for the better when I met up with Personal Trainer Ronnie Rowland out of Aiken South Carolina. Too my amazement this man had been through 10 lower back surgeries and was getting ready to walk on stage!!! From that point on, Ronnie was my inspiration and he guided me through e-mails on how to rehab my lower back, which supplements to take, and what doctor he recommended for the removal and fusion of my two ruptured disks.

    Ronnie said “stay away from most physical therapy exercises because they only irritate the nerve roots further. I knew he was highly intelligent because many bodybuilder’s follow his slingshot training system. He gave me instruction on how to build the core indirectly while lifting weights in a controlled manner that supported my lower back after having had a painful, yet successful lumbar fusion By Dr.David Mccord in Nasheville Tennessee. Ronnie told me that David H. McCord, MD, was in his opinion the best spine surgeon in the world and I am also a believer!!!

    Mccord is a board certified orthopedic surgeon from the United States, with outstanding expertise in the treatment of complex spine pathologies. A graduate of Vanderbilt University in Tennessee, Dr. McCord received his medical degree from Cornell University in New York. He then completed an internship and surgery residency at Duke University Medical Center. Dr. McCord practices spine surgery in Nashville, Tennessee. He has also been actively involved with numerous professional organizations including, among others, the American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons; the North American Spine Society; the American College of Spine Surgery; and the American Medical Association. In addition, he has participated in numerous research projects, has given over one hundred presentations at major medical meetings and institutes worldwide, and many of his articles appear in peer reviewed publications.


    The advice Ronnie Rowland gave me was correct and I am forever grateful to him and orthopedic Dr.David Mccord. My testimonial is that I believe Rowland is the best well rounded personal trainer in the world and Mccord is the best surgeon. Today I am back to doing what I love and I am virtually pain free. I feel like I have been handed a second chance at life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djdizzy View Post
    Ron, I am currently on a cut and was wondering about what you mentioned above. So I can just stay at the same levels of test/tren/etc for say 16 weeks or do I bump it up at some point? Stay on the same dosages. Its only before a show you would bump up the dosages for the last 6 weeks ow what about orals? I am running Winny at 50mg a day. I'm nervous on going over 8 weeks on orals, is it ok to run that long or should I drop that at 8 weeks and maybe bump the Tren up another 100mg?i would not run winstrol over 8 weeks. switching over to anavar and/or masteron would be a good idea.Thanks!
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    deload = off cycle or during pct? can be off cycle, pct or during a bridge (using much lower amounts of steroids)

    What do you recommend to do during the deload??

    PCT for 2 weeks then back on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanGreg View Post
    deload = off cycle or during pct? can be off cycle, pct or during a bridge (using much lower amounts of steroids)

    What do you recommend to do during the deload??

    PCT for 2 weeks then back on?
    Some prefer to use hcg throughout their entire cycle, including the deload. But it takes longer than 2 weeks to regain full testicular function. The best way to do a deload is to bridge using a low dose of test weekly. Around 1cc of test-e weekly works well. Some go as low as a half a cc. And some just shoot test -c once at the beginning of their deload and allow it to be their entire deload. There are many ways it can be done.
    Last edited by Ronnie Rowland; 02-19-2013 at 01:40 PM.

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    How does this look:


    8 week reload

    test prop @ 50mg/ED
    tren @ 50mg/ED
    mast @ 100mg/ED

    2 week deload (PCT)

    Clomid: 50/50
    Nolva: 40/40

    8 week reload

    test prop @ 60mg/ED
    tren @ 60mg/ED
    mast @ 100mg/ED


    2 week deload (PCT)

    Clomid: 50/50
    Nolva: 40/40


    8 week reload

    test prop @ 70mg/ED
    tren @ 70mg/ED
    mast @ 100mg/ED

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanGreg View Post
    How does this look:


    8 week reload

    test prop @ 50mg/ED
    tren @ 50mg/ED
    mast @ 100mg/ED

    2 week deload (PCT)

    Clomid: 50/50
    Nolva: 40/40

    8 week reload

    test prop @ 60mg/ED
    tren @ 60mg/ED
    mast @ 100mg/ED


    2 week deload (PCT)

    Clomid: 50/50
    Nolva: 40/40


    8 week reload

    test prop @ 70mg/ED
    tren @ 70mg/ED
    mast @ 100mg/ED
    Theres no value in using clomid during a deload and nolvadex is needed only if you have been using it during a reload. You should still be taking a little test throughout entire deload. Everything else looks fine.
    Last edited by Ronnie Rowland; 03-20-2013 at 05:28 AM.

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    Awesome post/read! thank you!

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    Awesome Thread, Great read.

    Gunna try this for sure.

    DaRkOmEn

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    ronnnie..how is slingshot better than dc training???? here be the article..please elaborate..

    Dogg: Without sounding cocky I am a very advanced bodybuilder down here in San Diego--cruising at 285lbs or so and going up over 300 this year. I came from a very, very hard gaining and skinny genetic structure (140lbs about 10 years ago) so gains have never come easy and I didn?t start super supplements until I was 225 clean (took me 6 years). (I use food as my chief anabolic).

    What I am amazed at is the number of 180 to 220lb bodybuilders on the net who spend ungodly amounts of money and use so many different exotic compounds thinking that it is the end all super stack of all stacks. And they take huge, huge risks in trying to acquire these drugs. I have had an abundance of pro and top amateur friends to gain the knowledge that pretty much these top people in the sport are blasting high amounts of test as the base drug in the offseason to put on pro size with mostly one (sometimes two) other compounds (usually fina, or equipoise or some other non exotic drug and GH if it can be afforded). I firmly believe you will gain 2 times the amount of muscle off of 2 grams of test either alone or with another compound than having some kind of exotic stack involving 3 to 6 exotic hard to get expensive compounds. The receptor site theories have proven to be bunk. The cheapest and best stack I can think of anyone doing to put on major size is a gram or two of test with arimidex to keep water off with fina 75 to 150mg every other day for 4 weeks --then 2 to 3 weeks of cruising (test at 300-400mg and clomid at 5 (day one), 4(day two), 3(day three),then 2 every day for 2 weeks)--and then back on everything full again (maybe equipoise used instead of fina this time) for 4 weeks (then 2 to 3 weeks cruising again etc etc)---if you can?t gain gobs of muscle on that nothing exotic (masteron, etc etc etc) surely isn?t going to do it for you. Testosterone is always the base for any gaining cycle of any pro friend I?ve had or top people with whom I talked with off record. I have never even been over 1000mg of test myself (yet) but I see guys spending and using 10 times the amount I do weighing 70lbs less. I think there is a major problem when the easiest, cheapest and most potent things are right in front of people and they are off searching for substance B-737 undecylate in bulgaria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VASCULAR VINCE View Post
    ronnnie..how is slingshot better than dc training???? here be the article..please elaborate..

    Dogg: Without sounding cocky I am a very advanced bodybuilder down here in San Diego--cruising at 285lbs or so and going up over 300 this year. I came from a very, very hard gaining and skinny genetic structure (140lbs about 10 years ago) so gains have never come easy and I didn?t start super supplements until I was 225 clean (took me 6 years). (I use food as my chief anabolic).

    What I am amazed at is the number of 180 to 220lb bodybuilders on the net who spend ungodly amounts of money and use so many different exotic compounds thinking that it is the end all super stack of all stacks. And they take huge, huge risks in trying to acquire these drugs. I have had an abundance of pro and top amateur friends to gain the knowledge that pretty much these top people in the sport are blasting high amounts of test as the base drug in the offseason to put on pro size with mostly one (sometimes two) other compounds (usually fina, or equipoise or some other non exotic drug and GH if it can be afforded). I firmly believe you will gain 2 times the amount of muscle off of 2 grams of test either alone or with another compound than having some kind of exotic stack involving 3 to 6 exotic hard to get expensive compounds. The receptor site theories have proven to be bunk. The cheapest and best stack I can think of anyone doing to put on major size is a gram or two of test with arimidex to keep water off with fina 75 to 150mg every other day for 4 weeks --then 2 to 3 weeks of cruising (test at 300-400mg and clomid at 5 (day one), 4(day two), 3(day three),then 2 every day for 2 weeks)--and then back on everything full again (maybe equipoise used instead of fina this time) for 4 weeks (then 2 to 3 weeks cruising again etc etc)---if you can?t gain gobs of muscle on that nothing exotic (masteron, etc etc etc) surely isn?t going to do it for you. Testosterone is always the base for any gaining cycle of any pro friend I?ve had or top people with whom I talked with off record. I have never even been over 1000mg of test myself (yet) but I see guys spending and using 10 times the amount I do weighing 70lbs less. I think there is a major problem when the easiest, cheapest and most potent things are right in front of people and they are off searching for substance B-737 undecylate in bulgaria.
    I think the basic principles in this article are very good. The difference is that I believe the 8-week anabolic cycles used with Slingshot Training work much better than the shorter 4-week anabolic cycles being taught here in this particular article with DC Training.


    To recap: Most gain are made during weeks 3,4,5,6,7 and 8. With slingshot training you get an additional 4 weeks to make gains.

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    cracking read ronnie,
    i think atleast half of this forum is going to try sling shot training, well i am starting this monday cant wait am looking forward to it.
    thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland View Post
    There's a lot of theories on how to make maximum muscle gains while using anabolic steroids. You do not need steroid cycles that are so complicated that you would need a degree in bio-chemistry to figure them out. I want to share with everyone what I have learned in 24 years of experience as both a bodybuilder and personal trainer. I have seen a lot in my days!

    Feel free to ask me any questions concerning steroid cycles, etc in this thread. I see a lot of the same old questions being asked and I want to hand out some sound advise for those wanting to know what I have found to work best. It's really quite simple. KEEP ANABOLIC STEROID CYCLES/PRO-HORMONE CYCLES AT 8 WEEKS!

    Take care,

    Ronnie Rowland


    Slingshot Training Overview and Cliff Notes:

    Slingshot Training entails belasting for as logn as humanly possible before having to take time off from heavy training. A blast is composed of two training phases-a “reload” and a “deload”. The reload is a higher volume training phase that last 8 weeks and a deload is a lower volume training phase that can last 1 to 2 weeks. Slingshot training works by reloading with more volunme while yopur on an 8 week anabolic steroid cycle or 8 week pro-hormone cycle, etc. Anabolics have been shown to work most effeciently for appoximately 8 weeks. After that point, additional muscle gains slow dramatically and you would need to use higher amounts drugs or supplements to advance further. The problem with that approach is unwanted side effects. So in order to keep making maximum progress you come off a heavy cycle by lowering the amount of anabolics used, do a pct, or bridge with a small dose of anabolics for 1-2 weeks-all while reducing training volume and protein intake. This 1-2 week period of reducing volume and protein is called a deload and it encourages receptor sites to become more sensitive to anabolics so that when you return to another (steroid cycle/reload) you'll make more gains with less side effects. To recap: You use more training volume and take in more protein during your 8 week anabolic steroid cycles so you can get the most out of each cycle. This is your reload ! After the reload you begin deloading for 1-2 weeks by using less training volume, less anabolics and taking in less protein so you can return to another 8 week anabolic cycle/reload 1-2 weeks later and make continued progress. The cycle continues (reload/deload/reload/deload/reload/deload,etc)

    Important Note: During 8 week reloads/8 week anabolic steroid cycles, you must be prepared to push training and protein intake to the limit. As you progress, anabolic dosages must also be increased in order to make continued gains!)

    It’s up to you as an individual to find out how many sets work best for your body. I prefer 6-12 intense sets per body part during reloads and only 3-6 intense sets during delaods. Experiment with your anabolic cycles to see which drugs/supplements work best. You will make your most gains during week 3,4,5 6,7, and 8. You must also experiment to see if you perform better working each muscle once a week or twice a week as this also varies amongst each individual! It's no secret that the majority of people do best with once a week muscle training but there are some who tend to thrive on training each muscle twice a week with more frequency. For those of you who prefer twice a week muscle training you will still need to stay withing the guidleines I have suggest for training volume. This means no more than a maximum of 12 intense work sets total per week for any major muscle group.

    BLAST: You'll want you to put your focus on one long training phase called a "blast". During this blasting cycle you will perform 2 mini-cycles. I refer to them as a reload and a deload. A reload is high volume training cycle and a deload is low volume training cycle. The best plan is to reload for 8 weeks while using anabolic supplements then follow up with a 1-2 week deload while eliminating anabolic supplements or bridging. To simplify things you reload (high volume) for 8 weeks while the anabolics are working at full capacity then deload (low volume) for 1-2 weeks once the body has reached a plateau with 8 weeks of anabolic usage and the high volume training. The benefit of using higher volume training and taking in more protein during an 8 week anabolic steroid cycle is great. Performing higher volume not only damages muscles, it also causes them to respond by activating genes in the nuceli of the muscle cells. During a reload/amabolic steroid cycle you could do 12 sets once a week for your chest for 8 weeks or 6 sets twice a week for chest. Next, after doing high volume (12 sets total per week) for 8 weeks, you will deload for 2 weeks doing only half as many sets (6 sets once a week of 3 sets twice a week). During this two week deload you will reduce or eliminate anabolic supplements depending on what you are using).

    Reloading and Deloading : I want to drive this point home so everyone understand the importance of proper periodization! The deload has nothing to do with the amount of weight or training intensity used, only the number of work sets changes. But, its good practive to use lower reps if your joints can handle it (4-8 reps) which means that you can bump up the weight if you are capable of doing so as the number of work sets will be reduced! During a blast, you gain additional strength during a deload, then take these additonal strength gains and break down more muscle tissue during the following reload by performing more work sets while adding in anabolic supplements. This type of repetitive progress is the secret so many are in search of yet few have found!

    Pro-bodybuilder’s would not be the size they are today if they lifted the same weights they started out with or used the same low volume programs they used as a beginner to get stronger! I am often asked, "is it really necessary to do both a deload and a reload during a blast"? My answer is yes! - “There are a lot of people who think they are making progressive strength gains but in reality they are stuck in a training rut using the same weight loads over and over again. They will keep returning to train hard but continue using the same weights they used last month while staying on high dosages of anabolic supplements year yet their genetic potential in strength is far from being reached. They get a massive pump with high volume but they do not get any stronger even though they never go off anabolics! On the other hand, there are people who think they are making progressive gains in muscle size because they are getting stronger but in reality their ability to max out muscle size for their genetic potential is not being reached because they are always performing low volume. They use the same low volume approach over and over again while neglecting to go for a serious pump. They also stay on high dosages of anabolics year round instead of cycling off for 1-2 weeks after each 8 week anabolic cycle. They will keep returning to the gym pushing heavy weight loads for only a set or two while making minimal gains in muscle size. Let me be clear, it takes both high volume and low volume to max out your genetic potential while simulataneously cycling anabolic dosages!”

    A deload consist of performing about half as many sets while using the same intensity, weight loads and rep-ranges. The entire blast will consist of training each body part once a week or twice a week (depending on your preference) If you prefer once a week training then you can continue doing so indefintely. While some people prefer to train each muscle twice a week instead of once a week. If you fall into this category then you can train each muscle twice a week indefintely. After 2 months of training a muscle once a week you could benefit by switching over to training each muscle group twice a week during the next 8 week reload. Those of you who have been training each muscle group twice a week for 2 months can also benefit by swtiching over to training each muscle once a week during the next 8 week reload but again it's not manadory, but a good way to help prevent boredom/break plateaus!

    When training a muscle twice a week you will need to do one heavy training day (lower reps) during your first weekly workout and a lighter training day (higher reps) during second weekly workout. It’s also best to use different exercises on light days. Only when using the Slingshot Super Blast is being utilized should you stick with the same exercises for both heavy and light days (the way they trained in the Arnold era)! When you find you need time off from heavy training adn all anabolic supplements you can do a 1-2 week prime (active or non-active lay-off). A prime is a high rep/low volume/low intensity training phase or total lay-off from training that allows the joints/tendons/nervous system to recover so you can enter back into a blast with full-power. If you go on vacation, etc it would also be considered a prime. Its all depends on the individual how often a prime is needed. I like to do a 2 week prime about every 6 months or so.

    Plateauing : A plateau effect will occur within 8 weeks with most steroids/anabolic supplement cycles. This is the perfect time to deload and decrease anabolics. Strength gains occur during a deload due to a rebound effect of stopping anabolics and by putting less demand on the nervous system/joints/tendons by training with only half the volume. The deload primes the body for future gains and allows you to get stronger/bigger during the next reload/anabolic cycle. Cycling in this manner increasing the effectiveness of every 8 week anabolic steroid or pro-hormone cycle. There's no value in going past 8 weeks of using anabolics unless you are cutting and getting ready for a show. Once an 8 week cycle is completed you would have to escelate anabolic dosages much higher to get additional results-hence more side effects would occur and over-training would manifest itself.

    Work Sets:There's never a need in exceeding more than a total of 12 intense work sets for any body part each week. After around 12 intense work sets are completed the muscles stop firing. Doing upwards of 20 intense sets will result in injury and total burnout! All to often I see people thinking they need to do 20-25 work sets per muscle group. Now I want to drive this point home-"If you cannot break down your muscles to the max with 6-12 intense work sets total for the week (warm up sets not included) whether you train them once a week or twice a week you have a serious training problem"!

    Slingshot Diet:

    RELOAD DIET: During a reload you will need to increase protein! Do not exceed around 2 grams of protein per pound of body weight during a reload!

    DELOAD DIET: During a deload less protein is needed. Protein intake will need to be reduced by .5 to 1 grams per pound of body weight. During a deload you will need to keep calories the same (maintenance level) so growth can occur or be maintained. Use mostly healthy dietary fats like olive oil and ***** 3's from various nuts and smart balance peanut butter to replace the protein calories that have been removed. However, carbs can remain the same in order to spare the lesser amounts of protein being taken in but if you need to get leaner before the next reload reduce the carbs. Reaching a sticking point after an 8 week reload is normal. The best way to overcome sticking points is by changing your routine with a deload. The reduced protein intake during a deload will improve insulin sensitivity because less protein will be converetd over to glucose and non-stop anabolic usage has been suggested to cause insulin resistance. When more protein/carbs are added during the next reload more amino acids will have the opportunity to be accepted by muscle cells when they are being broken down the most!

    Carbs vs fats: In regards to the best diet plan for your body type you must figure out whether you do better on higher carbs or higher fats then go from there. Protein always remains high! If you do better on carbs then keep the fats lower. On the other hand, if you do better on less carbs and more fats keep the carbs lower. Some of you with a very fast metabolism may do better utilizing both a high carb and high fat diet. In that case it's good practiced to alternate protein/carb meals with mostly protein/fat meals to increase your ability to digest larger amounts of food.

    PRIME: If you are over-trained you should begin each training cycle by using strategic de-conditioning (priming phase) over a 1-2 week time span. Total work sets and weight loads are reduced during the prime to make the muscle more responsive to the stimulus of weight training. Not training at all will do the same thing! This will help set up an environment for muscle growth to occur during the following blast!


    Slingshot your way to the top!

    The Slingshot Training System By Ronnie Rowland.”

    WARNING: READ FIRST

    No liability is assumed by the author for information contained within. Anabolic steroids are illegal in many countries and are not condoned by the author. All readers, are advises that any form of supplements or drugs described may be illegal, prohibited, or used only with a doctors prescription. The author does not participate, advocate, or encourage in any illegal activities. Readers must consult with appropriate legal and medical authorities if not certain about what has been stated in this article. COPYRIGHTED BY Ronnie Rowland....

    Introduction:

    When many weight lifters hit a plateau, what do they do? They begin to push even harder by adding more intensity to their routine. This kind of thinking is wrong because a muscle has to be exposed to something it is not used to doing without over-training the nervous system and joints. Adding intensity, by way of beyond failure training techniques, is widely known for producing frustrated bodybuilders! It's no secret that progressively adding more weight to every lift is a sure-fire way to increase total lean body mass, given the diet, training volume, and exercise selection is spot on. Almost everyone starts out using low volume. They grow at a phenomenal rate until the body adapts and quits responding. Because some feel the gains were so great using the lower volume approach, they begin to try and lift heavier weights while using the same program for extended periods of time. They put continued pressure on themselves to try to beat personal records each training session in hopes it will somehow further their muscle mass. Unfortunately, they end up with nothing more than chronic injuries and stagnation as a result.

    The intelligent trainer's switch-over to using more volume, while the less fortunate keep thinking less is always more! The next mistake comes into play by the trainees who have switched over to using the higher volume approach. Many become so overwhelmed with their newly found muscle mass after having increased the volume that they begin to reason with themselves thinking more must always be done from that point on. They quickly hit a point of diminishing returns and eventually develop over-use injuries and an over-trained nervous system, instead of reverting back to using a lower amount of volume that worked so well at the beginning.

    Sometimes their training will take the form of more sets-reps, exercises, intensity, training sessions, etc. Some are in constant search for the latest routines that will shock their muscles even further. However, all this does is hold them back even more because no one can overcome diminishing returns or keep using the same routine for extended periods of time and expect to make good gains. Slingshot Training helps you overcome both of these dilemmas by employing both low volume and high volume during the appropriate time frames!

    ** As someone who lifts weights, you will be going up against giants. In biblical times David used a "slingshot" to destroy his largest opponent of all, Goliath. Slingshot Training will dramatically change your physique in a short amount of time, trust me on this one.* *

    Every time I browse the internet it’s the same old question being asked over and over again; “What’s the best training routine to gain lean muscle mass and strength?” Many of you are jumping from program to program and it’s not really making any noticeable differences in your strength or appearance. Some of you were making gains but have now reached a plateau. Others believe that a properly structured routine won’t really make much difference in comparison to other training programs and you tend to be either an obsessive-compulsive high volume trainees (always going for a pump) or an obsessive-compulsive low volume trainees (always trying to gain more strength). If you fall into any of these categories, I want to share with you what I have found optimal for making forward progress as a weight lifter.

    First, not everything that works is good. You can be sincere in what you believe and still be wrong. So far, so good, doesn’t mean you’re not going to have some serious issues with joint and tendon pain later on down the road. All too often a hero on this months muscle magazine turns into a zero a few months down the road because they become injured and can no longer train. Listen carefully, opinions and trends come and go. I get a head ache just thinking about all the high-intensity training techniques such as pre-exhaustion, forced reps, heavy negatives, down the rack, rest-pause, super sets, drop sets, and the list goes on, and on!

    Let me be clear, various training techniques have nothing to do with genetic capabilities. There is not one single variable that is the total downfall of not being able to gain more muscle size. Forced reps, rest pause, drop sets; etc will all depict some form of muscular hypertrophy. However, a major problem (other than these techniques being less effective at stimulating muscular size-strength and putting more strain on the joints, tendons, and CNS) is that they take in a much selected group of principles and apply them. The theory of combining all different training techniques to increase muscle hypertrophy is short-sighting the way the human body responds. If genetics dictated the needs for a different training style, then some could use rest-pause or drop-sets and get bigger/stronger than what they could obtain with straight sets, and we know this is not the case! Time has proven that the genetically superior will respond better to all forms of training methods when compared to the genetically inferior. Simply changing the way you create damage by employing various beyond failure training methods does not alter the fact that overtraining of the CNS and joints/tendons will out pace muscular damage. So, it all boils down to finding that one training method that’s not only the most effective for all genetic types, but the safest. It just so happens that straight sets is that one training method. In final, straight sets is the superior training style that out does all the rest when periodized properly!

    * * Just because something has been shown to work doesn't mean it’s the best way**

    A lot of talented people fail because they don't have a strong work ethic or they get poor information and stick too it. It's very important to get the right information. Do some investigating. Our projection of things is how all of us make our decisions. And all too often, people tend to believe something just because they have heard others say it over and over again. You must resist letting others condition or brainwash you into believing something that is not altogether true. Be skeptical when someone is trying to sell you something. It pays to be defensive because there is always something being promoted as "new and amazing" that turns out to be pure garbage. I'm not telling you that Slingshot Training is the only one way to success, or that all other training systems are wrong. I'm all about teaching others what I have found to be optimal. I get tired of all the silly debates on the internet that means absolutely nothing. For every article debunking a certain method, 25 can be found supporting it. Studies are fine, and theories are great, but reality hits hard and the paper studies that are put out become worthless when the truth is finally revealed. When someone gives the default answer "Well there's not an effective off-season program that will work for everyone in terms of maxing out their genetics potential," I realize they are basically admitting they do not understand how the human body responds to outside stimuli. The big picture is learning what it takes to create an effective progressive over-load (lift more weight) without getting injured and then taking those strength gains and proceeding forward to create a true progressive over-load (performing more sets with heavier weight loads) without developing over-use injuries and over-training. Add the proper nutrition into the mix and that’s how you get results. I refer to this as using a slingshot approach (hurling intensity to the muscles). Link showing pro and cons of low volume and high volume training- http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=394378

    ## Taking it to the edge is what it's all about##

    If you gain strength but fail to gain some muscle size over time, it’s because you are not eating enough calories. If you gain strength by way of decreasing training volume (deload) but neglect to increase training volume (reload) during a period of using more calories to put on weight, you will gain more body fat and less muscle size. Combining more volume with extra calories and increased strength gains is what causes maximum growth Then you must periodize these 3 factors so progress and recuperation can be made year round. Training has to do with adaptation. Volumes, Intensity, Frequency and Strength have their limitations. None of them are infinite. For e.g.; If you perform 1 intense set of heavy barbell curls twice a week, the neural pathways will eventually adjust themselves by getting stronger so they can handle an even heavier weight load next time you train. Yes, the biceps will get stronger, but not a lot bigger. Stay with me here! When you take advantage of the added strength gains made by using less volume (deload) and then co-mingle those added strength gains with additional training volume (reload) while not over-training, you can be assured you will grow bigger muscles. That is how you create a true progressive overload! You can use all the fancy beyond failure training methods such as drop sets and rest-pause for hours on end and never create a true progressive overload because limitless adaptation equals a heavier workload in conjunction with additional volume to breakdown down more muscle tissue, while never going past the point of diminishing returns.

    A progressive over-load and a true progressive over-load are not one in the same. Creating a progressive over-load is brought forth by being able to lift more weight using the same form, amount of work sets, and rest periods between sets. A true progressive over-load (a phrase I coined) is also brought forth when you can lift more weight using the same form, and rest periods between sets, but the amount of work sets performed must be greater than what’s required to produce a progressive over-load! After each subsequent set that follows the first work set, the type-1 fibers tire out earlier in the set and the type 2 fibers that are most responsible for giving you muscle size-strength take over the load for longer periods of time. By the time you have done only 2-3 intense sets, the endurance fibers are shutting down much earlier in the set and it's mostly the type-2 fibers lifting the weight. This is why volume training works well for pro-bodybuilders. The type-2 fibers must be made to adapt to lift more weight for longer periods of time in order to grow larger. In order to accomplish this feat, you must handle heavier weights over time. By training each bodypart only once a week as a "baseline," you will produce the most size gains with the least amount of effort, all while sparing the joints and central nervous system. Once the body adapts to once a week bodypart training you'll want to periodically hit each muscle group twice a week in order to keep progressing forward at the fastest rate humanly possible! Always training each muscle group once a week or always training a muscle group twice a week stops being the most productive way to train for the more advanced bodybuilder. Once the muscles have fully adapted to the training frequency it should be changed if you are to continue to force the body to adapt. When done correctly this leads to further growth and strength gains! It takes 6-8 weeks for full-adaptation to occur when using anabolics. Full-adaptation is what you want so go with 8 weeks! When you start to feel over-trained during a blast or your joints begin to ache, simply reduce the total work sets by deloading and keep blasting. A longer reload gives the body more time to adjust and you will hold onto the muscle better! LET'S RECAP-THERE IS NO SET LIMIT ON HOW LONG YOU CAN BLAST. THE KEY IS TO DELOAD AND RELOAD THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE BLAST AND THEN DO A 1-2 WEEK PRIME WHEN TOTAL BURN OUT OR A NAGGING INJURY OCCURS.
    sorry if it seems off topic. i am new to the whole prohormone and steroid world but very excited about being a part of it. so my question is if i am taking a prohormone called warrior which contains superdrol tren and epistane for about six weeks. what do i need to do for a pct? thanks a lot

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