Reading this website a lot again in the the last couple days there seems to be a lot of conflicting advice and it is a little overwhelming figuring out what to do and who to listen to.
I've read through this thread a few times plus the other Slingshot threads and I think I get the principle without using steroid. But, how does this fit into only wanting to do one AAS cycle (no bridging) that typically lasts 12 weeks? Or can it not work like this?
I'm just trying to figure out the best way to keep the gains after a cycle (new to this).
Could you, say, do a test-only cycle of 1-12 weeks, and then start PCT, after 2 or 3 weeks while starting a new reload period to keep gains? I list it below, or is this a recipe for disaster?
So:
Week 1 - AAS, reload
Week 2 - AAS, reload
Week 3 - AAS, reload
Week 4 - AAS, reload
Week 5 - AAS, reload
Week 6 - AAS, reload
Week 7 - AAS, reload
Week 8 - AAS, reload
Week 9 - AAS, deload
Week 10 - AAS, deload
Week 11 - AAS, reload
Week 12 - AAS, reload
Week 13 - break, reload
Week 14 - break, reload
Week 15 - break, reload
Week 16 - PCT, reload
Week 17 - PCT, reload
Week 18 - PCT, reload
Week 19 - PCT, deload
Week 20 - deload
Week 21 - reload
Last edited by musclebear; 09-30-2009 at 10:01 AM.
IMO this is not a good approach! If you are wanting to run a 12 week cycle it's best to break it up into 2, 6 week cycles as described below.
Week 1 - AAS, reload
Week 2 - AAS, reload
Week 3 - AAS, reload
Week 4 - AAS, reload
Week 5 - AAS, reload
Week 6 - AAS, reload (end of first 6 week cycle)
Week 7 - AAS, DELOAD
Week 8 - AAS, DELOAD
Week 9 - AAS, reload
Week 10 - AAS, reload
Week 11 - AAS, reload
Week 12 - AAS, reload
Week 13 - break, reload
Week 14 - break, reload (end of second 6 week cycle)
Week 15 - PCT, DELOAD
Week 16 - PCT, DELOAD
Week 18 - back to reload
wow, lots of info, read all of it. great stuff, thanks a lot
Gotcha!
thanks for the info and the clarifications Ronnie!
I've been running prop and npp for about 12 weeks and have notice the gains have stopped. I was planning on running prop and tren for the next 4 weeks then post cycle for a few months. Do you think it would be a better idea to post cycle for 2 weeks and run a deload, then start prop and tren for 8 weeks while doing a reload? Then I would post cycle for 2 weeks (deload) and then run prop and npp for 8 weeks (reload), and so on?
Ronnie..which are best,,,, mass building steroids???
It would be the drugs your body can handle without experiencing bad side effects! It can be different for each individual.
For building maximum muscle mass heavy androgens are best for people who can tolerate them. This would include your base drug (testosterone) and it would be used in conjunction with other drugs like tren, deca, equipoise, d-ball and even anadrol for those who do not experience a decrease in appetite.
NOTE: I've witnessed that getting huge requires having the genetics to take the drugs in high enough quantities to not experience bad side effects.
Thanks! Answers were spot on.
Ronnie Another Q.
1. For the loading phase if i am planning to do 12 sets, is this inclusive of warmup sets or are warm upset outside the 12 loading sets
2. Is each set done to failure? High rep range 12-15 or low rep range 3-8
Thanks
1) During the 8 week reloading phase, if you are planning to do let's say 12 sets for your chest, then warm up sets would not be included in those 12 sets. I generally do 3 warm up sets before going into the work sets with chest.
2) Each set is taken to good failure (to a point you cannot get another good rep). The ideal rep-range is 8-12 reps but it's good prcatice to hit as low as 4 reps on occasion with some compound exercises if it does not cause joint pain and going as high as 15 reps is also good.
Thanks for the time to put something like this together.
I have a question regarding the PCT/Deload. If your using test e or Sustanon as your testosterone, they typically take 2-3 weeks to completely leave your system. IMO it is best to wait until the compound is out before starting PCT. I also saw my best gains on cycle in weeks 8-10. I would be afraid to deload right when I'm at my peak. I have not tried this slingshot method so I could be completely off based on my experience.
I would think that a prolonged training cycle, say 8-12 months of this, would not allow your body to produce testosterone naturally.
Would it be best to use different compounds such as test prop?
Since your body is never producing test on it's own I would think that the possiblility of shutting down the production is very high, do you have a different opinion on this?
This looks like a fantastic program and makes complete sense, I just worry about the prolonged use of AAS for someone that is not training for a competition.
This method just completely differs from everything I have learned and been educated on. I am not trying to contradict you, I am just curious as to what are your thoughts are on this?
Thanks in Advance-
Fantastic reading !!!
Out of curiosity what dosage would you recomend in the deload phase ?
Say you are running
500mg test e ew
400mg deca ew
would you up the dosage on the aas on the next reload phase or would you up the dosage every other/every 4th reload phase etc ? or would you gauge this on when you feel you need to up the dosages because gains are no longer happening as much ?
How much would you increase your intake of aas when required to ?
Thanks for the great article very impressive.
^^^^ Thanks Bro. It's always good to get some new opinions. I think I will try it without AAS on my next break. Looking forward to the new program.
Good Read by the way!
great read. just wow a lot of great info
Hi Ronnie. Thanks for the information, this was a great read. Thanks.
I would be almost certain that someone would have asked you this already, but this thread is just too damn long! U appoach a cutting cycle with the typical game plan?
Ron, I am currently on a cut and was wondering about what you mentioned above. So I can just stay at the same levels of test/tren/etc for say 16 weeks or do I bump it up at some point? Now what about orals? I am running Winny at 50mg a day. I'm nervous on going over 8 weeks on orals, is it ok to run that long or should I drop that at 8 weeks and maybe bump the Tren up another 100mg?
Thanks!
a tribute to mr.rowland. the man is even much more impressive in person. cant say enough good things about him.
The thrill of working hard to show improvement within myself has long been my dream and desire. For as long as I can remember, my ambition to be the very best at bodybuilding has always been ingrained in my soul. In the fall of 2008, I suffered an injury to my lower lumbar section which threatened my bodybuilding career and overall lifestyle. I blew out my L-5 and L-4 disk performing still legged deadlifts. I was out of work for several months and began suffering depression.
I was determined to find the best spine surgeon and rehabilitation therapy out there so I could get back on stage. As the old saying goes “everything happens for a reason.”’ In 2009 I went to a bodybuilding show in South Carolina with a friend even though I did not feel up to the task. The intense pain radiating into my lower extremities had taken control of my life to the point I could barely walk. It was there my luck changed for the better when I met up with Personal Trainer Ronnie Rowland out of Aiken South Carolina. Too my amazement this man had been through 10 lower back surgeries and was getting ready to walk on stage!!! From that point on, Ronnie was my inspiration and he guided me through e-mails on how to rehab my lower back, which supplements to take, and what doctor he recommended for the removal and fusion of my two ruptured disks.
Ronnie said “stay away from most physical therapy exercises because they only irritate the nerve roots further. I knew he was highly intelligent because many bodybuilder’s follow his slingshot training system. He gave me instruction on how to build the core indirectly while lifting weights in a controlled manner that supported my lower back after having had a painful, yet successful lumbar fusion By Dr.David Mccord in Nasheville Tennessee. Ronnie told me that David H. McCord, MD, was in his opinion the best spine surgeon in the world and I am also a believer!!!
Mccord is a board certified orthopedic surgeon from the United States, with outstanding expertise in the treatment of complex spine pathologies. A graduate of Vanderbilt University in Tennessee, Dr. McCord received his medical degree from Cornell University in New York. He then completed an internship and surgery residency at Duke University Medical Center. Dr. McCord practices spine surgery in Nashville, Tennessee. He has also been actively involved with numerous professional organizations including, among others, the American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons; the North American Spine Society; the American College of Spine Surgery; and the American Medical Association. In addition, he has participated in numerous research projects, has given over one hundred presentations at major medical meetings and institutes worldwide, and many of his articles appear in peer reviewed publications.
The advice Ronnie Rowland gave me was correct and I am forever grateful to him and orthopedic Dr.David Mccord. My testimonial is that I believe Rowland is the best well rounded personal trainer in the world and Mccord is the best surgeon. Today I am back to doing what I love and I am virtually pain free. I feel like I have been handed a second chance at life.
deload = off cycle or during pct? can be off cycle, pct or during a bridge (using much lower amounts of steroids)
What do you recommend to do during the deload??
PCT for 2 weeks then back on?
Some prefer to use hcg throughout their entire cycle, including the deload. But it takes longer than 2 weeks to regain full testicular function. The best way to do a deload is to bridge using a low dose of test weekly. Around 1cc of test-e weekly works well. Some go as low as a half a cc. And some just shoot test -c once at the beginning of their deload and allow it to be their entire deload. There are many ways it can be done.
Last edited by Ronnie Rowland; 02-19-2013 at 01:40 PM.
How does this look:
8 week reload
test prop @ 50mg/ED
tren @ 50mg/ED
mast @ 100mg/ED
2 week deload (PCT)
Clomid: 50/50
Nolva: 40/40
8 week reload
test prop @ 60mg/ED
tren @ 60mg/ED
mast @ 100mg/ED
2 week deload (PCT)
Clomid: 50/50
Nolva: 40/40
8 week reload
test prop @ 70mg/ED
tren @ 70mg/ED
mast @ 100mg/ED
Awesome post/read! thank you!
Awesome Thread, Great read.
Gunna try this for sure.
DaRkOmEn
ronnnie..how is slingshot better than dc training???? here be the article..please elaborate..
Dogg: Without sounding cocky I am a very advanced bodybuilder down here in San Diego--cruising at 285lbs or so and going up over 300 this year. I came from a very, very hard gaining and skinny genetic structure (140lbs about 10 years ago) so gains have never come easy and I didn?t start super supplements until I was 225 clean (took me 6 years). (I use food as my chief anabolic).
What I am amazed at is the number of 180 to 220lb bodybuilders on the net who spend ungodly amounts of money and use so many different exotic compounds thinking that it is the end all super stack of all stacks. And they take huge, huge risks in trying to acquire these drugs. I have had an abundance of pro and top amateur friends to gain the knowledge that pretty much these top people in the sport are blasting high amounts of test as the base drug in the offseason to put on pro size with mostly one (sometimes two) other compounds (usually fina, or equipoise or some other non exotic drug and GH if it can be afforded). I firmly believe you will gain 2 times the amount of muscle off of 2 grams of test either alone or with another compound than having some kind of exotic stack involving 3 to 6 exotic hard to get expensive compounds. The receptor site theories have proven to be bunk. The cheapest and best stack I can think of anyone doing to put on major size is a gram or two of test with arimidex to keep water off with fina 75 to 150mg every other day for 4 weeks --then 2 to 3 weeks of cruising (test at 300-400mg and clomid at 5 (day one), 4(day two), 3(day three),then 2 every day for 2 weeks)--and then back on everything full again (maybe equipoise used instead of fina this time) for 4 weeks (then 2 to 3 weeks cruising again etc etc)---if you can?t gain gobs of muscle on that nothing exotic (masteron, etc etc etc) surely isn?t going to do it for you. Testosterone is always the base for any gaining cycle of any pro friend I?ve had or top people with whom I talked with off record. I have never even been over 1000mg of test myself (yet) but I see guys spending and using 10 times the amount I do weighing 70lbs less. I think there is a major problem when the easiest, cheapest and most potent things are right in front of people and they are off searching for substance B-737 undecylate in bulgaria.
I think the basic principles in this article are very good. The difference is that I believe the 8-week anabolic cycles used with Slingshot Training work much better than the shorter 4-week anabolic cycles being taught here in this particular article with DC Training.
To recap: Most gain are made during weeks 3,4,5,6,7 and 8. With slingshot training you get an additional 4 weeks to make gains.
cracking read ronnie,
i think atleast half of this forum is going to try sling shot training, well i am starting this monday cant wait am looking forward to it.
thanks again
sorry if it seems off topic. i am new to the whole prohormone and steroid world but very excited about being a part of it. so my question is if i am taking a prohormone called warrior which contains superdrol tren and epistane for about six weeks. what do i need to do for a pct? thanks a lot
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