You'll want to read this!

[karrion]

awesome idea, thanks

[Dadstrength]

Hey Ronnie great article. I've started using it along with a 20 week test e cycle. I do however have one question. Am I suppose to do a 4 week reload then 2 week deload, then repeat, as far as the training volume. ( I'm not speaking of the aas cycle) or is it 8 weeks high volume then 2 weeks low? I'm confused. Once again I'm only talking about the workout. Not the aas cycle.
I'm sure you answered this already but being a father of 2 I only had enough time to page 40 of the posts lol time isn't a luxury afforded to me. Thank you.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie great article. I've started using it along with a 20 week test e cycle. I do however have one question. Am I suppose to do a 4 week reload then 2 week deload, then repeat, as far as the training volume. ( I'm not speaking of the aas cycle) or is it 8 weeks high volume then 2 weeks low? I'm confused. Once again I'm only talking about the workout. Not the aas cycle.
I'm sure you answered this already but being a father of 2 I only had enough time to page 40 of the posts lol time isn't a luxury afforded to me. Thank you.

It's 8 weeks high volume (reload) then 2 weeks low volume (deload).

[Dadstrength]

Thanks for the help Ronnie.

[Sfla80]

ok Ronnie, just read through all this, first time reading this. My source actually lead me to this thread.

So I will have 60 ml test e 250
140ml winny 75mg
140 anavar 50mg.

What I was thinking of doing was.

1-8 Test e 500wk
1-8 Anavar 80mg Ed
9-10 Test e 300-400mg wk
11-18(20)? test e 500mg wk
16-22 wk winny at 75mg wk

then pct at 24-28 wks
Standard pct
Nolva 40/20/20/20
clomid 100/50/50/50
Or does this need to be a 6 wk pct?

[Ronnie Rowland]

ok Ronnie, just read through all this, first time reading this. My source actually lead me to this thread.

So I will have 60 ml test e 250
140ml winny 75mg
140 anavar 50mg.

What I was thinking of doing was.

1-8 Test e 500wk
1-8 Anavar 80mg Ed
9-10 Test e 300-400mg wk
11-18(20)? test e 500mg wk
16-22 wk winny at 75mg wk

then pct at 24-28 wks
Standard pct
Nolva 40/20/20/20
clomid 100/50/50/50
Or does this need to be a 6 wk pct?

Run the winstrol at 5O per day through weeks 11-18. Then deload with 200 mgs of test for 2 weeks. Finish off by starting PCT week 21. Hcg for 3 weeks. Come off clomid and nolvadex after 4 weeks.

[Sfla80]

Run the winstrol at 5O per day through weeks 11-18. Then deload with 200 mgs of test for 2 weeks. Finish off by starting PCT week 21. Hcg for 3 weeks. Come off clomid and nolvadex after 4 weeks.

Ok four questions:

1. Hcg throughout the 20 wks and three weeks into pct correct?

2. Both deloading phasing run test at 200 or just the last one going into pct?

3. Pct isn't 14 days after? So wouldn't it be wk 22?

4. This will be my 4th cycle. Is this recommended or wait to have more experience?

[The Titan99]

Here's a quick workout question. On my leg workout I was really producing amazing results then in Dec I had a fracture that healed in 4-5 weeks. The side effect of the limping was a lower back problem that persists still. Anyway, almost have this under control. The question is a matter of volume. This is what it looks like.

Smith Machine Squats 2 warm up sets - 3 sets to failure 8-12 reps

Giant Split Squats w/step behind - 3 sets to failure 8-12 reps

Hack Squats - 3 sets to failure 8-12 reps

Seated Leg Curls - 6 sets to failure 8-12 reps

I used to do calves on this day but I do them on chest day since I'm usually shot after this.

The thing is, I hate those seated leg curls. They aggravate my back problems and I never really make any progress weight wise. Unfortunately I my gym doesn't have a laying down style leg curl set up. (Membership for me is 42 USD per year so you can't have it all I guess.)

I'm wanting to start doing 4 sets on the first three exercises and only do maybe 4 sets on the seated leg curls. Do the giant split Squats hit the hamstrings enough to count as a hamstring exercise? It feels like it does, but maybe I'm just feeling it in the glutes...

[Ronnie Rowland]

Here's a quick workout question. On my leg workout I was really producing amazing results then in Dec I had a fracture that healed in 4-5 weeks. The side effect of the limping was a lower back problem that persists still. Anyway, almost have this under control. The question is a matter of volume. This is what it looks like.

Smith Machine Squats 2 warm up sets - 3 sets to failure 8-12 reps

Giant Split Squats w/step behind - 3 sets to failure 8-12 reps

Hack Squats - 3 sets to failure 8-12 reps

Seated Leg Curls - 6 sets to failure 8-12 reps

I used to do calves on this day but I do them on chest day since I'm usually shot after this.

The thing is, I hate those seated leg curls. They aggravate my back problems and I never really make any progress weight wise. Unfortunately I my gym doesn't have a laying down style leg curl set up. (Membership for me is 42 USD per year so you can't have it all I guess.)

I'm wanting to start doing 4 sets on the first three exercises and only do maybe 4 sets on the seated leg curls. Do the giant split Squats hit the hamstrings enough to count as a hamstring exercise? It feels like it does, but maybe I'm just feeling it in the glutes...Actually the Split squats and smith machine squats stimulate the larger muscle of the hamstrings better and add more muscle bulk than any form of leg curls. This is because the larger muscles of the hams attach to the hip. Leg curls hit the smaller muscles that attach behind the knee.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=goode80;6497028]Ok four questions:

1. Hcg throughout the 20 wks and three weeks into pct correct? 2 weeks into pct is enough with hcg since you are running throughout
2. Both deloading phasing run test at 200 or just the last one going into pct? 200 during both deloads

3. Pct isn't 14 days after? So wouldn't it be wk 22? you can start pct at week 21

4. This will be my 4th cycle. Is this recommended or wait to have more experience? Looks fine too me![/QUOTE]above

[lla23]

Hi Mr Ronnie,

I'm Chris from Singapore. I'm interested to do steriods, i'm not competing nor looking to get BIG within a yr but i'm curious to find out what can steroids do in the long run. I looking to gain more size and maintain certain amount of leanness, I'm more looking it as a long term commitment rather than a short term and a quick fix..... but i need some guidelines if u would be able share with me.

My questions are, what is the basic guidelines do i have to do or follow when i'm on steroids?
"How often do i hv to do a Blood work test, every 3 mths or 6 mths?"
"What do i need to look at when i have a blood work result?"
"How long should i rest for every cycle i do?"
"Do i still need to use supplements while I'm still on it"?
"What pharmaceutical company is recommended?"
"In terms of efficient, is Oral better or injection better?"

Here's wat i have been doing now.

I'm a Asian, 32 yrs old a personal trainer for 8 yrs, Ectomorph.. I started training when i was 25 yrs weighing 58Kg, Currently i'm weight 72Kg with a BF of 12%.

My meals usually i start with High Fat and Protein (RED MEAT) in e earlier part of the day and will adjust Lower Fat and Protein (WHITE MEAT) and with more Unrefined Carbs (White Rice, Sweet or Potato) towards the evening and my last meals. I do design my program and periodize them every 5 & 6 weeks and use slow or fast tempo depending on the selection of e exercises and the program.

Hope u will be able to help me with the basic guidelines or fundamentals. Thank you for your time reading this.

Regards,
Chris

[The Titan99]

So how about 5/5/5 sets of Smith machine squats, giant split squats, hack squats, then 6 sets of calve raises for a total of 21 sets? I like doing leg presses but the machine at my gym is one of those that angle up and with any kind of decent weight on it I hurt my lower back.

[Ronnie Rowland]

So how about 5/5/5 sets of Smith machine squats, giant split squats, hack squats, then 6 sets of calve raises for a total of 21 sets? I like doing leg presses but the machine at my gym is one of those that angle up and with any kind of decent weight on it I hurt my lower back. I would do 4/4/4

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[Ronnie Rowland]

hi mr ronnie,

i'm chris from singapore. I'm interested to do steriods, i'm not competing nor looking to get big within a yr but i'm curious to find out what can steroids do in the long run. I looking to gain more size and maintain certain amount of leanness, i'm more looking it as a long term commitment rather than a short term and a quick fix..... But i need some guidelines if u would be able share with me.

My questions are, what is the basic guidelines do i have to do or follow when i'm on steroids? i would use 500 mgs of test-e or test-c weekly and 50 mgs of proviron daily to control estrogen.
"how often do i hv to do a blood work test, every 3 mths or 6 mths?" 6 months is good once a baseline is established
"what do i need to look at when i have a blood work result?" 1) full liver panel -weight training primarily causes ast elevation, but also raises alt so don't panic if it comes back high. If ast is normal and alt is elevated, it can be liver cell destruction instead of muscle destruction which is reason for concern.. The key to liver health is to avoid stressing it with orals for lengthy periods of time. Test is user friendly on the liver! Take 3-5 days from training to ensure it's not from weight training before giving blood. 2) lipid levels - take fish oils, b3 and d3 to help keep lipids in check. 3) blood-hematocrit levels, etc- give blood every 3 months to lower red blood cell count and a baby aspirin can be used to thin out blood but there are risk taking aspirin such as bleeding ulcers and hem rods. 4) kidney. - cialis at 5 to 10 mgs 5) along with aspirin helps keep blood presure in check. Stay lean, reduce salt, increase fluids, keep carb intake moderate,, and watch estrogen levels.prostate-psa. 6) hormone levels -test and estrogen. Get a baseline pre-cycle to compare with post cycle. It's good practice to have blood work done while on cycle to see what's really going on. Here's a link to a website showing normal ranges on standard blood test-
http://www.bloodbook.com/ranges.html

"how long should i rest for every cycle i do?"do you want kids and do you want to go on trt the rest of your life?
"do i still need to use supplements while i'm still on it"? i would
"what pharmaceutical company is recommended?" na"in terms of efficient, is oral better or injection better?"

here's wat i have been doing now.

I'm a asian, 32 yrs old a personal trainer for 8 yrs, ectomorph.. I started training when i was 25 yrs weighing 58kg, currently i'm weight 72kg with a bf of 12%.

My meals usually i start with high fat and protein (red meat) in e earlier part of the day and will adjust lower fat and protein (white meat) and with more unrefined carbs (white rice, sweet or potato) towards the evening and my last meals. I do design my program and periodize them every 5 & 6 weeks and use slow or fast tempo depending on the selection of e exercises and the program. you should start your day with carbs and protein and end them with protein and fats. Change exercises and volume for 2 weeks (called deload) after every 8 weeks (called reload))
hope u will be able to help me with the basic guidelines or fundamentals. Thank you for your time reading this.

Regards,
chris

BLOOD TEST REFERENCE RANGE CHART
Test
Reference Range (conventional units*)

17 Hydroxyprogesterone (Men) 0.06-3.0 mg/L
17 Hydroxyprogesterone (Women) Follicular phase 0.2-1.0 mg/L
25-hydroxyvitamin D (25(OH)D) 8-80 ng/mL
Acetoacetate <3 mg/dL
Acidity (pH) 7.35 - 7.45
Alcohol 0 mg/dL (more than 0.1 mg/dL normally indicates intoxication) (ethanol)
Ammonia 15 - 50 µg of nitrogen/dL
Amylase 53 - 123 units/L
Ascorbic Acid 0.4 - 1.5 mg/dL
Bicarbonate 18 - 23 mEq/L (carbon dioxide content)
Bilirubin Direct: up to 0.4 mg/dL
Total: up to 1.0 mg/dL
Blood Volume 8.5 - 9.1% of total body weight
Calcium 8.2 - 10.6 mg/dL (normally slightly higher in children)
Carbon Dioxide Pressure 35 - 45 mm Hg
Carbon Monoxide Less than 5% of total hemoglobin
CD4 Cell Count 500 - 1500 cells/µL
Ceruloplasmin 15 - 60 mg/dL
Chloride 98 - 106 mEq/L
Complete Blood Cell Count (CBC) Tests include: hemoglobin, hematocrit, mean corpuscular hemoglobin, mean corpuscular hemoglobin concentration, mean corpuscular volume, platelet count, white Blood cell count
Please click each to view an individual test value.
Copper Total: 70 - 150 µg/dL
Creatine Kinase (CK or CPK) Male: 38 - 174 units/L
Female: 96 - 140 units/L
Creatine Kinase Isoenzymes 5% MB or less
Creatinine 0.6 - 1.2 mg/dL
Electrolytes Test includes: calcium, chloride, magnesium, potassium, sodium
Please click each to view an individual test value.
Erythrocyte Sedimentation Rate (ESR or Sed-Rate) Male: 1 - 13 mm/hr
Female: 1 - 20 mm/hr
Glucose Tested after fasting: 70 - 110 mg/dL
Hematocrit Male: 45 - 62%
Female: 37 - 48%
Hemoglobin Male: 13 - 18 gm/dL
Female: 12 - 16 gm/dL
Iron 60 - 160 µg/dL (normally higher in males)
Iron-binding Capacity 250 - 460 µg/dL
Lactate (lactic acid) Venous: 4.5 - 19.8 mg/dL
Arterial: 4.5 - 14.4 mg/dL
Lactic Dehydrogenase 50 - 150 units/L
Lead 40 µg/dL or less (normally much lower in children)
Lipase 10 - 150 units/L
Zinc B-Zn 70 - 102 µmol/L
Lipids:
Cholesterol Less than 225 mg/dL (for age 40-49 yr; increases with age)
Triglycerides 10 - 29 years 53 - 104 mg/dL
30 - 39 years 55 - 115 mg/dL
40 - 49 years 66 - 139 mg/dL
50 - 59 years 75 - 163 mg/dL
60 - 69 years 78 - 158 mg/dL
> 70 years 83 - 141 mg/dL
Liver Function Tests Tests include bilirubin (total), phosphatase (alkaline), protein (total and albumin), transaminases (alanine and aspartate), prothrombin (PTT)
Please click each to view an individual test value.
Magnesium 1.9 - 2.7 mEq/L
Mean Corpuscular Hemoglobin (MCH) 27 - 32 pg/cell
Mean Corpuscular Hemoglobin Concentration (MCHC) 32 - 36% hemoglobin/cell
Mean Corpuscular Volume (MCV) 76 - 100 cu µm
Osmolality 280 - 296 mOsm/kg water
Oxygen Pressure 83 - 100 mm Hg
Oxygen Saturation (arterial) 96 - 100%
Phosphatase, Prostatic 0 - 3 units/dL (Bodansky units) (acid)
Phosphatase 50 - 160 units/L (normally higher in infants and adolescents) (alkaline)
Phosphorus 3.0 - 4.5 mg/dL (inorganic)
Platelet Count 150,000 - 350,000/mL
Potassium 3.5 - 5.4 mEq/L
Prostate-Specific Antigen (PSA) 0 - 4 ng/mL (likely higher with age)
Proteins:
Total 6.0 - 8.4 gm/dL
Albumin 3.5 - 5.0 gm/dL
Globulin 2.3 - 3.5 gm/dL

Prothrombin (PTT) 25 - 41 sec
Pyruvic Acid 0.3 - 0.9 mg/dL
Red Blood Cell Count (RBC) 4.2 - 6.9 million/µL/cu mm

Sodium 133 - 146 mEq/L
Thyroid-Stimulating Hormone (TSH) 0.5 - 6.0 µ units/mL
Transaminase:
Alanine (ALT) 1 - 21 units/L
Aspartate (AST) 7 - 27 units/L

Urea Nitrogen (BUN) 7 - 18 mg/dL
BUN/Creatinine Ratio 5 - 35
Uric Acid Male 2.1 to 8.5 mg/dL (likely higher with age)
Female 2.0 to 7.0 mg/dL (likely higher with age)
Vitamin A 30 - 65 µg/dL
WBC (leukocyte count and white Blood cell count) 4.3-10.8 × 103/mm3
White Blood Cell Count (WBC) 4,300 - 10,800 cells/µL/cu mm
*Please visit our measurement and abbreviation pages.

[lla23]

Hi Ronnie, Thanks for the Comprehensive Reply.. I appreciate it..

how many weeks do u suggest i should be on? 8 or 12 weeks? Test-E or Test-C weekly and 50 mgs of Proviron daily What supplementation do u suggest while i'm on cycle? (Digestive enzyme,Probotics, Fish Oil, Vitamin B3 & Vitamin D) ?? When on cycle, does AAS affects the "GUT HEALTH" functionality?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hi Ronnie, Thanks for the Comprehensive Reply.. I appreciate it..

how many weeks do u suggest i should be on? 8 or 12 weeks? Test-E or Test-C weekly and 50 mgs of Proviron daily What supplementation do u suggest while i'm on cycle? (Digestive enzyme,Probotics, Fish Oil, Vitamin B3 & Vitamin D) ?? When on cycle, does AAS affects the "GUT HEALTH" functionality?

Do a 20 week cycle. 8 weeks reload/2 weeks deload. Then 8 weeks reload/ 2 weeks deload then pct. Stay on proviron for the entire 20 weeks. I would use nolvadex during pct for 4 weeks in this particular scenario.

Yes, oral steroids and tren affect gut health. I have seen tren not only cause heartburn/acid reflux like oral steroids, but geographic tounge and mouth sores.Another thing that wreaks havoc on the gut is drugs like aspirin, antibiotics,aromasin,and arimidex!

I would suggest using a powerful probiotic in addition to some L-Glutamine to aid in gut health. Zinc is another supplement that will help. Some will still have to use anti acids when using Orals or tren regardless.

[lla23]

Thanks Ronnie,

here's what i have summarize for my first cycle.

Do a Pre & Post Blood Work (Full Liver Panel, Lipids, Blood Hematocrit, Kidney, Estrogen Level, Prostate-Psa & Hormone levels - Test & Estrogen)

20 weeks Cycle

Test-E (250mg or 500mg) - Should i start at a smaller dosage first?
8 weeks reload/2 weeks deload (do u mean the cycle or training program?)
8 weeks reload/2 weeks deload then PCT (My apology, i dun under this part here on the reload & deload?)

Proviron for 20 weeks - (Would that be 50 mgs daily??)

PCT - Nolvadex for 4 weeks (How much mgs daily??)

I have the Gut Health area covered on the Zinc, Probiotics and L-Glutamine.

Did i missed out any other details??

[lla23]

Hi Ronnie, Thanks for the Comprehensive Reply.. I appreciate it..


how many weeks do u suggest i should be on? 8 or 12 weeks? Test-E or Test-C weekly and 50 mgs of Proviron daily What supplementation do u suggest while i'm on cycle? (Digestive enzyme,Probotics, Fish Oil, Vitamin B3 & Vitamin D) ?? When on cycle, does AAS affects the "GUT HEALTH" functionality?

BLOOD TEST REFERENCE RANGE CHART
Test
Reference Range (conventional units*)

17 Hydroxyprogesterone (Men) 0.06-3.0 mg/L
17 Hydroxyprogesterone (Women) Follicular phase 0.2-1.0 mg/L
25-hydroxyvitamin D (25(OH)D) 8-80 ng/mL
Acetoacetate <3 mg/dL
Acidity (pH) 7.35 - 7.45
Alcohol 0 mg/dL (more than 0.1 mg/dL normally indicates intoxication) (ethanol)
Ammonia 15 - 50 µg of nitrogen/dL
Amylase 53 - 123 units/L
Ascorbic Acid 0.4 - 1.5 mg/dL
Bicarbonate 18 - 23 mEq/L (carbon dioxide content)
Bilirubin Direct: up to 0.4 mg/dL
Total: up to 1.0 mg/dL
Blood Volume 8.5 - 9.1% of total body weight
Calcium 8.2 - 10.6 mg/dL (normally slightly higher in children)
Carbon Dioxide Pressure 35 - 45 mm Hg
Carbon Monoxide Less than 5% of total hemoglobin
CD4 Cell Count 500 - 1500 cells/µL
Ceruloplasmin 15 - 60 mg/dL
Chloride 98 - 106 mEq/L
Complete Blood Cell Count (CBC) Tests include: hemoglobin, hematocrit, mean corpuscular hemoglobin, mean corpuscular hemoglobin concentration, mean corpuscular volume, platelet count, white Blood cell count
Please click each to view an individual test value.
Copper Total: 70 - 150 µg/dL
Creatine Kinase (CK or CPK) Male: 38 - 174 units/L
Female: 96 - 140 units/L
Creatine Kinase Isoenzymes 5% MB or less
Creatinine 0.6 - 1.2 mg/dL
Electrolytes Test includes: calcium, chloride, magnesium, potassium, sodium
Please click each to view an individual test value.
Erythrocyte Sedimentation Rate (ESR or Sed-Rate) Male: 1 - 13 mm/hr
Female: 1 - 20 mm/hr
Glucose Tested after fasting: 70 - 110 mg/dL
Hematocrit Male: 45 - 62%
Female: 37 - 48%
Hemoglobin Male: 13 - 18 gm/dL
Female: 12 - 16 gm/dL
Iron 60 - 160 µg/dL (normally higher in males)
Iron-binding Capacity 250 - 460 µg/dL
Lactate (lactic acid) Venous: 4.5 - 19.8 mg/dL
Arterial: 4.5 - 14.4 mg/dL
Lactic Dehydrogenase 50 - 150 units/L
Lead 40 µg/dL or less (normally much lower in children)
Lipase 10 - 150 units/L
Zinc B-Zn 70 - 102 µmol/L
Lipids:
Cholesterol Less than 225 mg/dL (for age 40-49 yr; increases with age)
Triglycerides 10 - 29 years 53 - 104 mg/dL
30 - 39 years 55 - 115 mg/dL
40 - 49 years 66 - 139 mg/dL
50 - 59 years 75 - 163 mg/dL
60 - 69 years 78 - 158 mg/dL
> 70 years 83 - 141 mg/dL
Liver Function Tests Tests include bilirubin (total), phosphatase (alkaline), protein (total and albumin), transaminases (alanine and aspartate), prothrombin (PTT)
Please click each to view an individual test value.
Magnesium 1.9 - 2.7 mEq/L
Mean Corpuscular Hemoglobin (MCH) 27 - 32 pg/cell
Mean Corpuscular Hemoglobin Concentration (MCHC) 32 - 36% hemoglobin/cell
Mean Corpuscular Volume (MCV) 76 - 100 cu µm
Osmolality 280 - 296 mOsm/kg water
Oxygen Pressure 83 - 100 mm Hg
Oxygen Saturation (arterial) 96 - 100%
Phosphatase, Prostatic 0 - 3 units/dL (Bodansky units) (acid)
Phosphatase 50 - 160 units/L (normally higher in infants and adolescents) (alkaline)
Phosphorus 3.0 - 4.5 mg/dL (inorganic)
Platelet Count 150,000 - 350,000/mL
Potassium 3.5 - 5.4 mEq/L
Prostate-Specific Antigen (PSA) 0 - 4 ng/mL (likely higher with age)
Proteins:
Total 6.0 - 8.4 gm/dL
Albumin 3.5 - 5.0 gm/dL
Globulin 2.3 - 3.5 gm/dL

Prothrombin (PTT) 25 - 41 sec
Pyruvic Acid 0.3 - 0.9 mg/dL
Red Blood Cell Count (RBC) 4.2 - 6.9 million/µL/cu mm

Sodium 133 - 146 mEq/L
Thyroid-Stimulating Hormone (TSH) 0.5 - 6.0 µ units/mL
Transaminase:
Alanine (ALT) 1 - 21 units/L
Aspartate (AST) 7 - 27 units/L

Urea Nitrogen (BUN) 7 - 18 mg/dL
BUN/Creatinine Ratio 5 - 35
Uric Acid Male 2.1 to 8.5 mg/dL (likely higher with age)
Female 2.0 to 7.0 mg/dL (likely higher with age)
Vitamin A 30 - 65 µg/dL
WBC (leukocyte count and white Blood cell count) 4.3-10.8 × 103/mm3
White Blood Cell Count (WBC) 4,300 - 10,800 cells/µL/cu mm
*Please visit our measurement and abbreviation pages.

[briansvk]

Ronnie what do you think about this plan till the end of the year:

reload: 1,1g test E, 583mg deca / week
deload: 250mg test E / week

reload: 1,1g test E, 583mg deca, 350mg Tren Hexa / week + 50 (or 100??) mg Anadrol/day -> maximize gains, cruel bulking phase
deload:250mg test E / week

reload: will see but probably 700mg Test P, 525mg Tren Hexa, 350 Mast Prop /week -> clean up diet to harden gained mass

[The Titan99]

Is NPP too short an ester to use twice a week (for joint support) or does it need to be more frequent?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Is NPP too short an ester to use twice a week (for joint support) or does it need to be more frequent?

Twice a week is fine because the active life is around 1 week.

[OnTheSauce]

Mast should be higher than 350

[Ronnie Rowland]

Mast should be higher than 350

200 mgs weekly still works.

[OnTheSauce]

Is NPP too short an ester to use twice a week (for joint support) or does it need to be more frequent?

You're good with 2x a week. 7 day half life I believe. 3x a week probably be better, but 2 will work

[Ronnie Rowland]

You're good with 2x a week. 7 day half life I believe. 3x a week probably be better, but 2 will work

Actually the half life is 3-4 days and the full active life is around 7 days.

[tigerspawn]

Thanks Ronnie

[JWP806]

This...thread...should have...a sub...section for ol' vascular vince...

[slimshady01]

This...thread...should have...a sub...section for ol' vascular vince...

Lol that's funny

[Ronnie Rowland]

This...thread...should have...a sub...section for ol' vascular vince...LOL..Gonna have to start charging vince...

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[xXthehulkXx]

28 yrs
5'4"
217 lbs
9% bf, 9 point pinch test, 3-4 months ago.

12 weeks out from a show and would love your opinion.

Currently on 1000mg test e
1200mg deca
120mg tbol

Starting 10 weeks out I'm switching to

1000mg prop week
700mg tren a week
700mg mast p week
Might add primo at 600mg a week. Not sure yet.

At 8 weeks out I'm adding anavar at 120mg ed.

At 4 weeks out I'm adding winstrol at 50mg eod.

Running t3 at 100mcg and albuterol at 9mg, as an aid. 2 weeks on 2 weeks off.

Want to stop all injects about 1 week out and keep orals.

Start letro at 2.5mg 2 weeks out.

My training is the slingshot method with this split.

Saturday- chest, tricep, and abs
Sunday- hams, calves, and quads
Monday- cardio
Tuesday- shoulders and traps
Wednesday- back and biceps
Thursday and Friday- cardio

Doing fasted cardio 4-6 times a week as well for 25-45 min. And, 60 min on my regular cardio days.

Diet is
Protein- 410g from chicken, eggs, fish, and protein shakes

Carbs- 370g from oatmeal, brown rice, and sweet potatoes

Fat- 125g from eggs, chicken, fish, and natural peanut butter

Will carb cycle if I stop dropping bf.

Anything you would change? Really appreciate the time you take for us.

[Ronnie Rowland]

28 yrs
5'4"
217 lbs
9% bf, 9 point pinch test, 3-4 months ago.

12 weeks out from a show and would love your opinion.

Currently on 1000mg test e
1200mg deca
120mg tbol

Starting 10 weeks out I'm switching to

1000mg prop week
700mg tren a week
700mg mast p week
Might add primo at 600mg a week. Not sure yet.

At 8 weeks out I'm adding anavar at 120mg ed.

At 4 weeks out I'm adding winstrol at 50mg eod.

Running t3 at 100mcg and albuterol at 9mg, as an aid. 2 weeks on 2 weeks off.

Want to stop all injects about 1 week out and keep orals.

Start letro at 2.5mg 2 weeks out.

My training is the slingshot method with this split.

Saturday- chest, tricep, and abs
Sunday- hams, calves, and quads
Monday- cardio
Tuesday- shoulders and traps
Wednesday- back and biceps
Thursday and Friday- cardio

Doing fasted cardio 4-6 times a week as well for 25-45 min. And, 60 min on my regular cardio days.

Diet is
Protein- 410g from chicken, eggs, fish, and protein shakes

Carbs- 370g from oatmeal, brown rice, and sweet potatoes

Fat- 125g from eggs, chicken, fish, and natural peanut butter

Will carb cycle if I stop dropping bf.

Anything you would change? Really appreciate the time you take for us.

You are holding a ton of lean mass for 5'4!I am on my IPad so I will answer everything here. 1) don't add primobolan. It's a waste of money when using tren. Instead run 50 mgs of oral winstrol per day beginning 6 weeks out. Keep deca at 200 mgs weekly in until 4 weeks out to reduce wear and tear on joints. Test, tren, deca, mast, anavar, and winstrol. Use anavar at 100 day starting 10 weeks out in place of primo to maintain strength. When winstrol is added at 6 weeks out take only 50 of anavar in the morning and take 50 winstrol at night .

2) 8 weeks out run 35 to 50 mgs of t3. You will lose muscle if you go beyond that, especially without GH! Stat clen 8 weeks out at 40 day and increase by 20 every 2 weeks. Don't stop taking it because receptors won't shut down. Albuterol is a waste- not an effective fat burner!

3) train biceps after chest and triceps after shoulders.

4) do no more than 30 minutes of cardio around 145 heart rate 6 times a week and never on leg day. Reduce carbs and fats. Not a fan of cardio on empty stomach unless it's on a day you don't train with weights. Best to do cardio after weights.

5) for optimum results you should be cycling carbs year round, especially when dieting down!

[xXthehulkXx]

You are holding a ton of lean mass for 5'4!I am on my IPad so I will answer everything here. 1) don't add primobolan. It's a waste of money when using tren. Instead run 50 mgs of oral winstrol per day beginning 6 weeks out. Keep deca at 200 mgs weekly in until 4 weeks out to reduce wear and tear on joints. Test, tren, deca, mast, anavar, and winstrol. Use anavar at 100 day starting 10 weeks out in place of primo to maintain strength. When winstrol is added at 6 weeks out take only 50 of anavar in the morning and take 50 winstrol at night .

2) 8 weeks out run 35 to 50 mgs of t3. You will lose muscle if you go beyond that, especially without GH! Stat clen 8 weeks out at 40 day and increase by 20 every 2 weeks. Don't stop taking it because receptors won't shut down. Albuterol is a waste- not an effective fat burner!

3) train biceps after chest and triceps after shoulders.

4) do no more than 30 minutes of cardio around 145 heart rate 6 times a week and never on leg day. Reduce carbs and fats. Not a fan of cardio on empty stomach unless it's on a day you don't train with weights. Best to do cardio after weights.

5) for optimum results you should be cycling carbs year round, especially when dieting down!

Thanks for the reply. I will implement this ASAP. You're an awesome person to take the time to help out here.

[slimshady01]

Ron,


Taking 3iu daily of hgh...

When is the best time to take? Morning upon waking or before bed?

I may go to 4iu down the Road as well.

Also taking peps cjc1295 no dac and ghrp6 for stronger natural pulses.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ron,


Taking 3iu daily of hgh...

When is the best time to take? Morning upon waking or before bed?

I may go to 4iu down the Road as well.

Also taking peps cjc1295 no dac and ghrp6 for stronger natural pulses.

Take before going to bed and avoid taking in any appreciable amounts of carbs 3 hours prior to injection to obtain maximum results.

[The Titan99]

Take before going to bed and avoid taking in any appreciable amounts of carbs 3 hours prior to injection to obtain maximum results.

I was wondering about this too. I was going to do 4 i.u.'s on deload and 6-7 i.u.'s on reload. I train at 7:00 pm till 8:30/9:00. I'm usually in bed by 10:30. Should I drop carbs (1/2 cup cooked oat meal - 1/2 cup skim milk) out of my PW protein shake?

Also, how would that effect carb cycling or re carb days?

Also, I've heard you should be taking T4 with HGH or your wasting the HGH. What do you think about that? I'm taking T3 75 mcg before bed now.

Also, with the relative low cost of insulin and IGF compared to the HGH, it's VERY tempting to me to give the other 2 a try along with it.

It also occurred to me that with the strict diet restrictions with the implementation of all three, (no fats after the insulin twice a day, no carbs 3 hours prior or after the HGH etc.) it's no wonder people get good results. Getting bigger with the mass consumption of carbs and protein post insulin, extreme fat loss from dropping carbs at night. Sounds like good nutrient partitioning...

[The Titan99]

I found this article written back in 2003 about HGH IGF and insulin use. It talks about a negative feedback loop coming 4 hours after HGH injections. And what's the deal with spot injections for localized fat reduction?

HGH
HGH should ideally be used for 20-30 week cycles (or longer). The dosage should be between 2-3IU per day if you are using GH primarily for fat loss, 4-5 IU’s a day for both fat loss and muscle growth, and approximately 1.0 – 2.0 IU’s a day for females. It is best to split your injections 1/2 first thing in the morning, 1/2 early afternoon if your dose is above 3.0 IU’s per day. Your pituitary will naturally produce about 6-9 pulses of GH per day. Each injection you take will create a negative feedback loop that will suppress these pulses for about 4 hours. By taking your injections first thing in the morning and early afternoon you will still allow your body to release its biggest pulse, which normally occurs shortly after going to sleep at night.

When starting out with your HGH cycle, for most people it is wise to begin you dose at 1.5 – 2.0IU per day for the first couple of weeks, and then begin increasing your dose by 0.5 unit every week or two until you reach your desired level. While it isn't an absolute neccessity to do this, if you are sensitive to the type of sides HGH present you will often times avoid these sides of joint pain/swelling, and bloating/water retention by slowly acclaimating to your ultimate 4-5 IU/day goal.

You should use an U100 insulin syringe for injecting HGH, and inject it subQ into your a**omen, obliques, top of thighs, triceps. Rotate injection sites. HGH can have a small localized fat loss benefit, so keep this in mind when choosing your injection sites.

[Ronnie Rowland]

I found this article written back in 2003 about HGH IGF and insulin use. It talks about a negative feedback loop coming 4 hours after HGH injections. And what's the deal with spot injections for localized fat reduction?

HGH
HGH should ideally be used for 20-30 week cycles (or longer). The dosage should be between 2-3IU per day if you are using GH primarily for fat loss, 4-5 IU’s a day for both fat loss and muscle growth, and approximately 1.0 – 2.0 IU’s a day for females. It is best to split your injections 1/2 first thing in the morning, 1/2 early afternoon if your dose is above 3.0 IU’s per day. Your pituitary will naturally produce about 6-9 pulses of GH per day. Each injection you take will create a negative feedback loop that will suppress these pulses for about 4 hours. By taking your injections first thing in the morning and early afternoon you will still allow your body to release its biggest pulse, which normally occurs shortly after going to sleep at night.

When starting out with your HGH cycle, for most people it is wise to begin you dose at 1.5 – 2.0IU per day for the first couple of weeks, and then begin increasing your dose by 0.5 unit every week or two until you reach your desired level. While it isn't an absolute neccessity to do this, if you are sensitive to the type of sides HGH present you will often times avoid these sides of joint pain/swelling, and bloating/water retention by slowly acclaimating to your ultimate 4-5 IU/day goal.

You should use an U100 insulin syringe for injecting HGH, and inject it subQ into your a**omen, obliques, top of thighs, triceps. Rotate injection sites. HGH can have a small localized fat loss benefit, so keep this in mind when choosing your injection sites.

First of all I just saw your motorcycle on Facebook and I am jealous..lol. Not sure if you knew it or not but I was ranked 11th in the US as a professional racer until I wrecked and hurt my back.

Now onto your question and it's a good one. The 3 natural high points of GH release are first thing in the morning, post-workout, and right before going to bed. We know carbs blunt the release of GH and carbs are a must for breakfast and post- workout unless post-workout is late at night as it is in your case. So,that leaves us with bedtime being the optimum choice. In addition, muscle repair occurs at night while we are a sleep making this the best opportunity to maximize the muscle building effects of GH. Furthermore, our bodies go into a fasted state at night and the anti-catabolic effects of GH are manifested when injected at night before going to bed,especially when we employ a carb curfew!

I feel that spot reducing by injecting GH into particular muscle groups is over-rated just as the claims that site injecting with anabolic steroids cause localized growth.

I do agree that GH needs to be used for around 6 months straight to gain maximum benefit. But a noticeable difference can be seen in only a couple of month when using a generous amount of pharm grade GH.

The biggest problem with using GH long term is the expense to effect ratio. And the longer you run high dosages of GH the more you increase your chances of developing diabetes by becoming insulin resistant. And after a lengthy period os GH usage studies have suggested that our bodies release more Somastatin. This hormone has been suggested to shut down Igf-1 receptors. It's probably good to take a week off after every 3 months of GH use.

Side effects of using GH at high dosages longterm can be serious. Heart enlargement, kidney enlargement, high blood pressure, diabetes, thyroid hormone deficiency, acromegaly, and accelerated growth of existing cancer cells. Like all hormones, GH should be used with great respect!

[Ronnie Rowland]

I was wondering about this too. I was going to do 4 i.u.'s on deload and 6-7 i.u.'s on reload. I train at 7:00 pm till 8:30/9:00. I'm usually in bed by 10:30. Should I drop carbs (1/2 cup cooked oat meal - 1/2 cup skim milk) out of my PW protein shake?

Also, how would that effect carb cycling or re carb days?

Also, I've heard you should be taking T4 with HGH or your wasting the HGH. What do you think about that? I'm taking T3 75 mcg before bed now.

Also, with the relative low cost of insulin and IGF compared to the HGH, it's VERY tempting to me to give the other 2 a try along with it.

It also occurred to me that with the strict diet restrictions with the implementation of all three, (no fats after the insulin twice a day, no carbs 3 hours prior or after the HGH etc.) it's no wonder people get good results. Getting bigger with the mass consumption of carbs and protein post insulin, extreme fat loss from dropping carbs at night. Sounds like good nutrient partitioning...

1) Drop carbs out of late post workout shake. 2) you are not wasting your money taking GH without using t-4 in conjunction. I would not recommend using more than 50 t-3 daily. Too much can cause muscle loss and get your natural heart beat out of its natural rythym. 3) your overall plan with the insulin,Igf,carb,and fat timing is great! But you better know what your doing before using insulin. It can cause your organs to age faster than normal and diabetic coma. IMO don't use it but if you do then keep Gatorade on hand at all times and never then go to sleep to be on the safe side.

[The Titan99]

1) Drop carbs out of late post workout shake. 2) you are not wasting your money taking GH without using t-4 in conjunction. I would not recommend using more than 50 t-3 daily. Too much can cause muscle loss and get your natural heart beat out of its natural rythym. 3) your overall plan with the insulin,Igf,carb,and fat timing is great! But you better know what your doing before using insulin. It can cause your organs to age faster than normal and diabetic coma. IMO don't use it but if you do then keep Gatorade on hand at all times and never then go to sleep to be on the safe side.

OK, T3 at 50 mcg's ed. I guess I can't figure out how to workout at 7:00 pm AND take insulin PWO then 5 minutes later,9:05 pm (55 mg carbs, 10 mg Glutamine, 10 mg creatine) 15 minutes post injection 80 mg whey protein and water, 1 hour post injection meal 50 mg protein, 50 mg carb NO FAT (there goes my peanut butter before bed, steak, olive oil etc.) Anyway, here it is 10:00 pm, a half hour before bed and I can't take my HGH for 3 hours. BUMMER!! Could you do the insulin in the morning? You'd be catabolic then too I suppose.

Anyway, so for the IGF1. From what I can tell MGF should be taken immediately post work out, then LR3 IGF1 one hour after that. From what I gather you could have the 50 mg whey mixed with egg whites immediately after workout with the MGF then a protein fat meal an hour later with theLR3IGF1, then the HGH 30 minutes after that right before bed? Is this why guy's take their HGH in the morning? Could you set the alarm and take the HGH around 1:00 PM? I feel like I'm close to getting my mind around this, but not quite. I'd do the insulin, HGH and IGF1/MGF if I could workout mid day!! LOL!! What do you think? Anabolic wise I'm thinking 2 grams Test E/ 700 mg Masteron E/50 mg Proviron ed. Possibly 500mg NPP too.

[Dadstrength]

I'm starting to get that dull pain in my testicles. I have a buddy who says HCG will help it. I asked how and he shrugged his shoulders 'I dunno' lol. Can you please tell me if he's right first of all, and if it does, can you elaborate on how it helps and what it'll do? Or any advice on what I can do for it. Thanks Ronnie