Who believes in evolution?

[liftsmore]

Check this out...http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi...ll/2009/1001/1

[peteroy01]

me!!!!!!

[MuscleScience]

The Theory of Evolution is not a faith based concept. It is one scientific hypothesis to help explain the existence of life. Creationism is more along the lines of a faith based theory.

[Immortal Soldier]

I am in college Anthropology class and we went over this discovery, it was actually discovered in 1994 or 1995, but it took a while to research and finalize the finds.

[Vitruvian-Man]

The Theory of Evolution is not a faith based concept. It is one scientific hypothesis to help explain the existence of life. Creationism is more along the lines of a faith based theory.

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'The main difference between science and faith is that with science, you are supposed to constantly question and challenge any underlying theories. It is also based on proof and facts. Any real, and proven fact that undermines this theory forces the theory to be altered.

Faith is based on belief, and you are explicitly NOT supposed to question, as that conflicts with 'belief' questionning a 'belief' makes you automatically an 'unbeliever'.

Biology is based on proof and facts, making it a science. Evolution is a theory based on science, facts and proof, and is therefore science.'

Anyone with any form of post-secondary education will tell you that evolution SHOULD be fact, it only remains a theory, because as of now it's impossible to prove. (until technology improves. IMO )

[BJJ]

The Theory of Evolution is not a faith based concept. It is one scientific hypothesis to help explain the existence of life. Creationism is more along the lines of a faith based theory.

Agreed, but I do not believe either in religions (creationism) or in the theory of evolution.

[RuhlFreak55]

The Theory of Evolution is not a faith based concept. It is one scientific hypothesis to help explain the existence of life. Creationism is more along the lines of a faith based theory.

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[TITANIUM]

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I'll sign up for this take on it.


At least we all agree that there is science here that proves certain aspects of evolution that are not debatable.

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[Nicotine]

im not a religious person.... so i support evolution completely

BUT, life and the world and universe is so complex, i doubt humans will ever even begin to scratch the surface in the attempt to find how/why.

and **IF** there is a "god" or a reason for existance, i don't think it's the bullshit we are being sold and lied to about.

[Vitruvian-Man]

Think about it this way. If someone EVER managed to prove that we were created by an omniscient, all-powerful being, they would effective prove almost every respectable scientist, biologist, ocean-scientist, chemist, physicist, etc WRONG.

The number of Noble Prizes they would have to retract would be astronomical.

^^ The only people they won't prove wrong are the religious fundamentalists who incorporate "science" into their religious theorizes... Nevertheless, I do not even consider these people as "scientists" because their fatal flaw is their inability to be impartial

Do you really think that's ever going to happen?

[BJJ]

Check this out...http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi...ll/2009/1001/1

I was unaware about this news.
Thanks for posting it.

[DSM4Life]

Jesus created evolution

[BJJ]

Jesus created evolution

Then, who created Jesus?

[DSM4Life]

Then, who created Jesus?

Jesus's father

[JDawg1536]

Jesus's father

Yes.... may I help you?

[DSM4Life]

Yes.... may I help you?

Hello Bob. Can you snap your fingers and change the oil in my car please?
Mobile 1 synthetic.

[NightWolf]

Jesus created evolution

Your BS is getting old already

[Vitruvian-Man]

Your BS is getting old already

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Funny how threads like this go to sh** so quickly..

[lovbyts]

Jesus created evolution

True, he (God not Jesus) calls it adaptation.

[RuhlFreak55]

True, he (God not Jesus) calls it adaptation.

rofl

[D7M]

I know plenty of scientists with "post-secondary education",

who believe in the existence of a diety and the validity of evolution concomitantly.

[Vitruvian-Man]

I know plenty of scientists with "post-secondary education",

who believe in the existence of a diety and the validity of evolution concomitantly.

I'm assuming you meant a deity? lol.

And what pray-tell was these people's beliefs prior to attending a post secondary institution? Undeniably all their childhoods were filled with religion.

IMO, the people you know / are referring to, aren't viewing science through an impartial perspective. They're allow their personal beliefs and opinions to cloud their judgment. Are there plenty of people like this? -- absolutely.

Religious Fanatics will debate this to death. Ultimately all it comes down to is faith in God vs. Reason, and fact.

[MuscleScience]

I know plenty of scientists with "post-secondary education",

who believe in the existence of a diety and the validity of evolution concomitantly.

I believe there is a God, I know lots of Scientist that are very religious in the life sciences field. My mentor was a devote Jew, and a microbiologist. We built
phylogenetic trees on bacteria based on evolutionary similarities. We even did a lot of cloning on bacteria so it was like we were playing God.

Science and religion can coexist with each other. One does not exclude the other. God or whoever gave us a brain for a reason. Are very nature is to be curious.

For me I became more religious the farther along I got into my education. It is my opinion that life could not have just started out of some mud puddle 4 billion years ago. The most primitive organisms on earth are so complex that for all our science we dont really know a lot about them.

[Flagg]

Threads like this always go south after awhile.

No sensible person can buy into creationism. I wonder what those that do would think when they looked at that article, would they even bother reading it, or just click off?

Im not overtly worried, as Science, Discovery and Technology improves, religion becomes less credible. But in the mean time we're told to repent, and that Jesus will forgive us. Prehaps he'll appologise to us when he comes back, for being responsible for the last 2000 years of money grabbing bloodshed that christianity is responsible for.

Still you have the third option as BJJ is fond of, that we're all genetically being manipulated by aliens..

[Bull_Nuts]

Threads like this always go south after awhile.in this case it is an absolute that you would feel this way...afterall...anything other than what you believe would cause you to state such a thing and completely denounce any other possibility

No sensible person can buy into creationismreligion is not sensible to begin with, its not for you to understand...if it was to understand it would be science and one could say evolution is a form of creationism. I wonder what those that do would think when they looked at that article, would they even bother reading it, or just click off?

Im not overtly worriedsince you are "not overtly worried" you are at the least still worried to an extent..., as Science, Discovery and Technology improves, religion becomes less crediblechristianity and religion as a whole is expressed through prophecies and testaments...to the non-believer how could it possibly be the slightest bit credible. But in the mean time we're told to repent, and that Jesus will forgive us. yes...because religion is one of the few things that keeps man from totally destroying themselvesPrehaps he'll appologise to us when he comes backhe will appologise to the people who are saved, for being responsible for the last 2000 years of money grabbing bloodshed that christianity is responsible for. christianity was not the only religion responsible for those things

BOLD

I believe that god made every part of life, man, and creation.

He did not censor himself at the least...thats the beauty of it....you are free to do what you want, when you want...some people believe in fact, some people feel it is deeper than that...its not for you to condem or judge...

I agree religion is a tough pill to swallow...but at the least one could agree that it is also largly responsible for man creating law to abide by...law that you probably abide by.

Every religion that believes in a god has a set of core values...christianity-10 commandments...etc...is fine

I believe no religion is wrong as long as it follows a set of core values

Your religion just so happens to be science...and there is nothing wrong with that...your core values...law

I could go on and on and no matter what i type you will tell me its absurde...and that is fine...you believe what you believe...the big bang theory sounds great...i just cant bring myself to believe that there was no divine intervention...i mean...what was befor the big bang, what caused it? What caused whatever was befor that...and so on...

anyway

[Flagg]

BOLD

I believe that god made every part of life, man, and creation.

He did not censor himself at the least...thats the beauty of it....you are free to do what you want, when you want...some people believe in fact, some people feel it is deeper than that...its not for you to condem or judge...

I agree religion is a tough pill to swallow...but at the least one could agree that it is also largly responsible for man creating law to abide by...law that you probably abide by.

Every religion that believes in a god has a set of core values...christianity-10 commandments...etc...is fine

I believe no religion is wrong as long as it follows a set of core values

Your religion just so happens to be science...and there is nothing wrong with that...your core values...law

I could go on and on and no matter what i type you will tell me its absurde...and that is fine...you believe what you believe...the big bang theory sounds great...i just cant bring myself to believe that there was no divine intervention...i mean...what was befor the big bang, what caused it? What caused whatever was befor that...and so on...

anyway

Science is NOT A RELIGION. Science is a method, a procedure used to govern the facts and make further discoveries. And no religion is wrong? Funny how most of them state that you should denounce the others. I know more about the three Abrahamic religions than you do, and what I see is not only something man made but something masculine made, the utter subjugation of women, violence and bloodshed, I mean if you think the story of Isaac is one of beauty you need your head examined. Circumsition, killing heretics, claiming someone else is evil because they don't follow your ****ed up doctrine, I could go on and on.

And tell me, what is so good about Heaven? It sounds like a ****ing celestial North Korea where you have to pray to the leader from dawn till dusk. Sounds just like paradise to me..

People that think there had to be devine intervention are simply incapable of thinking outside the box.

EDIT: I would be happy to actually debate the subject rather than let it simmer into who's right and who isn't, but I can find far more proof and evidence for things happening naturally in the world and universe, including the creation of life on earth than you can for the existence of God. All you have is "faith".

[BJJ]

BOLD

I believe that god made every part of life, man, and creation.

He did not censor himself at the least...thats the beauty of it....you are free to do what you want, when you want...some people believe in fact, some people feel it is deeper than that...its not for you to condem or judge...

I agree religion is a tough pill to swallow...but at the least one could agree that it is also largly responsible for man creating law to abide by...law that you probably abide by.

Every religion that believes in a god has a set of core values...christianity-10 commandments...etc...is fine

I believe no religion is wrong as long as it follows a set of core values

Your religion just so happens to be science...and there is nothing wrong with that...your core values...law

I could go on and on and no matter what i type you will tell me its absurde...and that is fine...you believe what you believe...the big bang theory sounds great...i just cant bring myself to believe that there was no divine intervention...i mean...what was befor the big bang, what caused it? What caused whatever was befor that...and so on...

anyway

Just a question, since I could object almost all of your statements above reported.

Have you ever studied theology?
You should, to understand the limits of the religions which, by the way, repeat themselves during the centuries.
Zoroastro, Horus, Mitra, Jesus... up to 16 if I well remember in almost every part of the globe.

[BJJ]

Threads like this always go south after awhile.

No sensible person can buy into creationism. I wonder what those that do would think when they looked at that article, would they even bother reading it, or just click off?

Im not overtly worried, as Science, Discovery and Technology improves, religion becomes less credible. But in the mean time we're told to repent, and that Jesus will forgive us. Prehaps he'll appologise to us when he comes back, for being responsible for the last 2000 years of money grabbing bloodshed that christianity is responsible for.

Still you have the third option as BJJ is fond of, that we're all genetically being manipulated by aliens..

Yes but in that case, where did the aliens come from?
That's just a theory to explain the beginning of our race into this planet...

I still believe there is God and religions have nothing to do with IT.

[Flagg]

Yes but in that case, where did the aliens come from?
That's just a theory to explain the beginning of our race into this planet...

I still believe there is God and religions have nothing to do with IT.

I could almost lean to the idea of something being at the top of the food chain, but if you take into consideration how big the universe is, how many stars, planets, galaxies there are out there, do you think we really matter? And what is the purpose of such a being? I still take evolution as the most viable explanation for how life develops.

[Flagg]

I believe there is a God, I know lots of Scientist that are very religious in the life sciences field. My mentor was a devote Jew, and a microbiologist. We built
phylogenetic trees on bacteria based on evolutionary similarities. We even did a lot of cloning on bacteria so it was like we were playing God.

Science and religion can coexist with each other. One does not exclude the other. God or whoever gave us a brain for a reason. Are very nature is to be curious.

For me I became more religious the farther along I got into my education. It is my opinion that life could not have just started out of some mud puddle 4 billion years ago. The most primitive organisms on earth are so complex that for all our science we dont really know a lot about them.

See and that is what bothers me. We can't figure something out now, so we'll just put it down to God in the mean time..

[MuscleScience]

See and that is what bothers me. We can't figure something out now, so we'll just put it down to God in the mean time..

If you can come up with a better answer, then by all means.

[Flagg]

If you can come up with a better answer, then by all means.

Im surprised at you mate, that is such an ignorant answer. You would rather be ignorant than enlightened? I can't find my car keys right now. I better put that down to God.

[stack_it]

I haven't had a chance to read the article cuz it's not wanting to open on my phone right now, but I believe in evo


Who knows tho maybe god created monkeys and then we evolved into humans.

[D7M]

Actually, no. One person in particular I'm thinking of was raised with no religion at all.

But my point is the two things (Evolution and belief in God) are not incompatible.

[BJJ]

Actually, no. One person in particular I'm thinking of was raised with no religion at all.

But my point is the two things (Evolution and belief in God) are not incompatible.

Agree

[peteroy01]

i hated it when i worked on the ambulance and would save somebody and would get to the ER and the family would already be there and they would say "thank god". it was so hard to bite my tongue cause the only reason they lived cause i pounded on his chest for 20min and cracked his ribs and loaded him up with drugs, not god saying "ye shall live." they should thank science, not god. im done venting.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

i hated it when i worked on the ambulance and would save somebody and would get to the ER and the family would already be there and they would say "thank god". it was so hard to bite my tongue cause the only reason they lived cause i pounded on his chest for 20min and cracked his ribs and loaded him up with drugs, not god saying "ye shall live." they should thank science, not god. im done venting.

well, god put you in that position to be able to help.

[peteroy01]

well, god put you in that position to be able to help.

ur god you speak of gave everyone free will did he not? so he did nothing, i put myself in that situation to help someone. did God put me in iraq to kill people too? how can u say god put someone here to do good but dont mention his name when someone does something evil?

[rockinred]

ur god you speak of gave everyone free will did he not? so he did nothing, i put myself in that situation to help someone. did God put me in iraq to kill people too? how can u say god put someone here to do good but dont mention his name when someone does something evil?

Because you misunderstand what the meaning of good and evil are.

While I think that as a person you make your own choices and God does not force people to do either.

But let me explain it to you like this. Do you believe there is a contrast between the two terms of good and evil like you stated above? Let me explain that when a person decides to do an act of goodness toward others, then they are acting on God's behalf because that is God's will. Now if you choose to murder someone and chop them up and eat them, then you are acting evil and on behalf of the opposer the evil one. You alone are making the acts, not God. How would you even know you did something evil if it were not God who let you understand that killing and eating your baby is evil and wrong?.

[peteroy01]

Because you misunderstand what the meaning of good and evil are.

While I think that as a person you make your own choices and God does not force people to do either.

But let me explain it to you like this. Do you believe there is a contrast between the two terms of good and evil like you stated above? Let me explain that when a person decides to do an act of goodness toward others, then they are acting on God's behalf because that is God's will. Now if you choose to murder someone and chop them up and eat them, then you are acting evil and on behalf of the opposer the evil one. You alone are making the acts, not God. How would you even know you did something evil if it were not God who let you understand that killing and eating your baby is evil and wrong?.

u can plug in about any 2 words you want-good or bad, right or wrong.......i believe that u dont need a god to have morals. i dont have anything to do with god but i have morals. its called a conscious. and a conscious isnt an angel on one shoulder and a devil on the other. but now we are getting into physiology and i really dont know enough about it to have an educated discussion about it. but your point is made on your side and they are good but i just dont buy it.