Does anyone use proviron with every cycle?

[tobetutz]

Does anyone use proviron with every cycle? I have been inclined to use it more and more with every cycle. It feels like everytime I cycle with it I make better progress than with out it... Also when stacked with Mast they work great together. IMO

Just checking in to see who else if anyone was doing this also.

[dec11]

dont mast and proviron have the same effect with mast being the more potent?

surely one or the other would be enough and no need for both?

[tobetutz]

They do almost the same thing BUT when taken together they are even more awsome. How I use them is mast 100mg eod, proviron 50mgs every 12 hours along with test and tren.

[wmaousley]

100mg of Proviron ed is way too much IMO, 25mg every 12 hrs is plenty especially if your gonna add Masteron. IMO its only really beneficial to start Mast/Proviron at about week 4 or 5 and end your cycle with it.

[tobetutz]

I get 50mgs caps. Never had 25mg caps. Can't say the sides were bad. Nothing but good reviews for running proviron with my cycles. Just wanna see if anyone else has shared my expieriences.

[Swifto]

If you're looking at Proviron for some sort of estrogen control, I think its a poor option. Use an AI.

AI's also reduce SHBG and SHBG is not an issue when on exogenous testosterone (cycle lengths). It actually goes down, not up, in a dose dependant manner.

DHT derived steroids will help control aromotase, so I tend to use a smaller dose of Aromasin when "on", depending on the total dose of steroids that aromtase.

[tobetutz]

Never had an issue with estrogen control and I typically run 1g of test a week. I tried proviron to free up test by having it bind to my SHBG and have had some amazing results. I have a buddy who suggested I use adex and see how I liked it you are the second person who shares his opinion. I might check it out next go around. Thanks Swifto.

[dec11]

Never had an issue with estrogen control and I typically run 1g of test a week. I tried proviron to free up test by having it bind to my SHBG and have had some amazing results. I have a buddy who suggested I use adex and see how I liked it you are the second person who shares his opinion. I might check it out next go around. Thanks Swifto.

i wouldnt bother with the adex if you dont suffer gyno symptoms mate, ive a friend like you, he can run 1g+ and not get any sides. lucky bastids!!

[Swifto]

i wouldnt bother with the adex if you dont suffer gyno symptoms mate, ive a friend like you, he can run 1g+ and not get any sides. lucky bastids!!

Estrogen is a carcinogen and should be controlled in males, symptoms or not IMHO.

Massive estrogen levels have no positive effects what so ever.

[MR10X]

Estrogen is a carcinogen and should be controlled in males, symptoms or not IMHO.

Massive estrogen levels have no positive effects what so ever.

I agree,estrogen has no positive effect and should be keep it in the low range.5mg of adex EOD would keep things good.I have had high estrogen and only had bad side effects,i have had very low estrogen Used high doses of letro to get rid of gyno and had some serious issues with that and cialis or viagra wouldnt fix it. I would recomend using a mild AI to keep it in a normal range.

[dec11]

Estrogen is a carcinogen and should be controlled in males, symptoms or not IMHO.

Massive estrogen levels have no positive effects what so ever.

so although some dont get symptoms are you saying they still will have the massively elevated estro levels that would show symptoms on me?

[Swifto]

so although some dont get symptoms are you saying they still will have the massively elevated estro levels that would show symptoms on me?

It doesnt matter who you are, if you're injecting large doses of synthetic testosterone without an aromotase inhibitor, its going to increase testosterone. It has to aromotase and raise E.

The difference in side effects is how well a certain individual can tolerate the increased level. Some can, some cant (acne, gyno, water retention, BP). But the E level is still high. Which is why I say, control it, sides/no sides.

AI's cost hardly anything and as long as E is kept in normal ranges, or just below. Sides of low E wont become apparent.

[Juice Authority]

The drug profiles suggest Proviron enhances the anabolic action of testosterone, lowers SHBG, helps with estro control, increases libido and all sorts of other wonderful things. I went with that theory for a long while, but in practice, one thing that certainly enhances the anabolic action of test is more test.

[Swifto]

The drug profiles suggest Proviron enhances the anabolic action of testosterone, lowers SHBG, helps with estro control, increases libido and all sorts of other wonderful things. I went with that theory for a long while, but in practice, one thing that certainly enhances the anabolic action of test is more test.

I guess you could assume the anabolic action is magnified because Proviron and DHT's do lower SHBG. But the questions remains, will you notice? In my opinion, no.

[Juice Authority]

I guess you could assume the anabolic action is magnified because Proviron and DHT's do lower SHBG. But the questions remains, will you notice? In my opinion, no.

I really didn't notice shit when compared to running a slightly higher dose of test with aroma. I switched to Mast E and ran that for a while. Same thing. Proviron and Mast E are in my "not needed for the cost" category. There's a reason proviron has never been approved for any therapeutic indication in US. It bombed like Pearl Harbor in clinical studies for a variety of different indications, but has the CE mark in europe as a fertility drug. Test + Var + Aroma is a simple and highly effective cycle for us old folks looking for moderate gains. I'll leave the dbol and abombs for the younger guys. I did recently have a good run with tbol aside from minor back pumps, but nothing compared to dbol.

[chuckt12345]

not sure 10 to 12 wks of higher e levels will cause anymore probs than sticking another hormone altering substances in your body to control it.

[Juice Authority]

^^^That's why Aromasin is the crown jewel for me especially when running GH.

[Swifto]

^^^That's why Aromasin is the crown jewel for me especially when running GH.

I've been saying it for years for various reasons.

Arimidex is outdated against it and Letro should only be used in certain circumstances.