Is there any chance for steroids to increase height or clavicle width at 22?

[aestheticsfirst]

I am 5'7.75 and have a small body frame. Wrists are 7 inches. Ankles are 9.5 inches.

Honestly I will not be able to play sports or succeed in bodybuilding without an increase in these measureables. The same statement goes for girls. Besides that I can deal with it.

Now my question is this. I know that there is probably no chance for me to grow in height. However, is there a chance that my clavicle bones and other frame bones are not fused yet?

I did take arimidex for a year or so in my teens so maybe that prevented my clavicles from fusing? My estrogen was low for a while anyway.

I am going to run my first cycle of test only but maybe if I add other anabolics my frame will grow? Just wondering what your opinions are. I can't grow a full beard and I look young for my age as well. Or so I am told.

[aestheticsfirst]

I will only run test only but I am wondering if it is possible to get taller or get a bigger body frame through other compounds.

The window is closing fast for me and I would love to get a bigger body frame. It is probably already too late for height anyway.

[numbere]

I am 5'7.75 and have a small body frame. Wrists are 7 inches. Ankles are 9.5 inches.

Honestly I will not be able to play sports or succeed in bodybuilding without an increase in these measureables. The same statement goes for girls. Besides that I can deal with it.

I'm 5'7" and can definitively tell you that the above statements are incorrect and a horrible way to attack life.

I've been very successful in every sport I've played.

Women are attracted to much more than height.

If you have problems meeting girls then you need to work on your personality, style and become a conversationalist.

Taking steroids bow is a horrible idea because you will stunt your growth not only vertically but your chest and shoulders will stop growing.

I stopped growing in height around your age but my chest and shoulders grew until I was about 24 or 25.

Using steroids now drastically increases the chance you will have life long side effects.

It would really suck if you messed up your natural test production now and had to be on TRT, injecting test twice a week, for the next 50+ years of your life.

If you think it's difficult to meet girls now then imagine how much more difficult it will be if you screw up your HTPA with steroids and can no longer have an erection.

[aestheticsfirst]

I'm 5'7" and can definitively tell you that the above statements are incorrect and a horrible way to attack life.

I've been very successful in every sport I've played.

Women are attracted to much more than height.

If you have problems meeting girls then you need to work on your personality, style and become a conversationalist.

Taking steroids bow is a horrible idea because you will stunt your growth not only vertically but your chest and shoulders will stop growing.

I stopped growing in height around your age but my chest and shoulders grew until I was about 24 or 25.

Using steroids now drastically increases the chance you will have life long side effects.

It would really suck if you messed up your natural test production now and had to be on TRT, injecting test twice a week, for the next 50+ years of your life.

If you think it's difficult to meet girls now then imagine how much more difficult it will be if you screw up your HTPA with steroids and can no longer have an erection.

Hey man thanks for the advice. I agree with you I am sure you do well. But in my case I cannot get girls and I have a great body. Now I think this also has to do with the average height in the area. I am exceptionally short in my area.

But anyway I don't think the testosterone will stop my frame growth if I block estrogen right? I already have low testosterone to begin with. I had bloods done and it came out to be 500.

[numbere]

Hey man thanks for the advice. I agree with you I am sure you do well. But in my case I cannot get girls and I have a great body. Now I think this also has to do with the average height in the area. I am exceptionally short in my area.

But anyway I don't think the testosterone will stop my frame growth if I block estrogen right? I already have low testosterone to begin with.

If I don't grow I don't grow but I might as well try to give myself the best hand to work with no?

If you cannot meet girls you think are attractive then you need to work on your personality, lower your standards or both.

If you use steroids now, now matter what ancillaries is you use, you will stop growing and open yourself to the possibility of life long side effects.

As far as being dealt a bad genetics card you're only 5'7", that's not that short, things could be much worse.

[aestheticsfirst]

If you cannot meet girls you think are attractive then you need to work on your personality, lower your standards or both.

If you use steroids now, now matter what ancillaries is you use, you will stop growing and open yourself to the possibility of life long side effects.

As far as being dealt a bad genetics card you're only 5'7", that's not that short, things could be much worse.

You definitely have a point and are bringing up some valid points. I think I do need to lower my standards but they are pretty low right now.

Anyway at this point I do not think a test only cycle will fuse my growth plates, given that estrogen is what makes the growth plates fuse, and I will be blocking estrogen with aromatase inhibitors.

However, there is a an ominous possibility of having permanent side effects and that is a risk that I am willing to take. I will be taking all precautions necessary and I shouldn't have any issues.

[numbere]

You definitely have a point and are bringing up some valid points. I think I do need to lower my standards but they are pretty low right now.

Anyway at this point I do not think a test only cycle will fuse my growth plates, given that estrogen is what makes the growth plates fuse, and I will be blocking estrogen with aromatase inhibitors.

However, there is a an ominous possibility of having permanent side effects and that is a risk that I am willing to take. I will be taking all precautions necessary and I shouldn't have any issues.

You're an adult and can make your own decisions, even if they are bad decisions.

Your understanding of how the hormones work is flawed.

If you go through with this there is a very good chance you will screw up your natural hormone production for the rest of your life.

You should read some of the threads in the link below.

***Cycles going wrong for the young***

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Hey man thanks for the advice. I agree with you I am sure you do well. But in my case I cannot get girls and I have a great body. Now I think this also has to do with the average height in the area. I am exceptionally short in my area.

But anyway I don't think the testosterone will stop my frame growth if I block estrogen right? I already have low testosterone to begin with. I had bloods done and it came out to be 500.

FYI: 500 is not low testosterone

Also, I am 5' 7" myself and that doesn't hurt with the ladies very much.

And, as Numbere pointed out, you are still growing. You most probably will get thicker as you age. Taking steroids could very easily stunt your growth.

And, also, your HPTA is still maturing. Taking steroids can easily fuck that process up making it so you never reach your full potential.

[wellshii]

Hey man thanks for the advice. I agree with you I am sure you do well. But in my case I cannot get girls and I have a great body. Now I think this also has to do with the average height in the area. I am exceptionally short in my area.

But anyway I don't think the testosterone will stop my frame growth if I block estrogen right? I already have low testosterone to begin with. I had bloods done and it came out to be 500.

Looks. Has maybe a 30 percent of a reason why a girl wont talk to you.
I have been a very "fine and cute" guy all my life,but I lacked the confidence and know how to talk to these low IQ broads. Guess what?They were dumb and thought I was weird. Tell them what they want to hear slightly showing off your body.
Besides,dont put the Pu**Y on a pedestal.
How old are you anyways?

Im 5'7 as well,
stronger than average,could outsprint my nephew who is 6'1 and in track.
Bone size only has so much to do with that area, as noted by many guys that are 5'8 or less.

[aestheticsfirst]

Looks. Has maybe a 30 percent of a reason why a girl wont talk to you.
I have been a very "fine and cute" guy all my life,but I lacked the confidence and know how to talk to these low IQ broads. Guess what?They were dumb and thought I was weird. Tell them what they want to hear slightly showing off your body.
Besides,dont put the Pu**Y on a pedestal.
How old are you anyways?

Im 5'7 as well,
stronger than average,could outsprint my nephew who is 6'1 and in track.
Bone size only has so much to do with that area, as noted by many guys that are 5'8 or less.

Honestly the girls aren't really a priority. I know height does mess up my chances but there are bigger things to aspire to then to get girls. There's no need to put girls on a pedastal.

It is actually interesting that you mentioned track. That was the sport I played in high school but I just didn't work hard enough hence I wasn't at the top. I also quit after the 10th grade to focus on academics. That is the mistake I made and I am regretting it so much now.

It is always important to strike a balance. I should have stuck with track all 4 years. The coaches were top tier and if I had stuck to a strict diet and nutrition things would have been better.

There is no need for me to reminisce though. I have a lot of work to do and I am excited to improve!

[wellshii]

Honestly the girls aren't really a priority. I know height does mess up my chances but there are bigger things to aspire to then to get girls. There's no need to put girls on a pedastal.

It is actually interesting that you mentioned track. That was the sport I played in high school but I just didn't work hard enough hence I wasn't at the top. I also quit after the 10th grade to focus on academics. That is the mistake I made and I am regretting it so much now.

It is always important to strike a balance. I should have stuck with track all 4 years. The coaches were top tier and if I had stuck to a strict diet and nutrition things would have been better.

There is no need for me to reminisce though. I have a lot of work to do and I am excited to improve!

You just said it yourself.
HARDWORK.

[Deal Me In]

As far as I know, the only compound that would have the desired effect is growth hormone and it must be administered in childhood.

[redz]

I think you need to look a little deeper here, it sounds like you have created a inferiority complex in your head and no matter what you do physically you will not escape it. You need to embrace yourself and what you are with positivity. Be the best you can be and stop trying to measure up to anyone else. This is your life and you only get one so make it good. I believe it is your confidence and self doubt holding you back nothing else. Good luck!

[charger69]

I think you need to look a little deeper here, it sounds like you have created a inferiority complex in your head and no matter what you do physically you will not escape it. You need to embrace yourself and what you are with positivity. Be the best you can be and stop trying to measure up to anyone else. This is your life and you only get one so make it good. I believe it is your confidence and self doubt holding you back nothing else. Good luck!

I agree with redz. As I read this, I was thinking low self esteem all the way. Girls can sense this.

[Couchlock]

Hey man thanks for the advice. I agree with you I am sure you do well. But in my case I cannot get girls and I have a great body. Now I think this also has to do with the average height in the area. I am exceptionally short in my area.

But anyway I don't think the testosterone will stop my frame growth if I block estrogen right? I already have low testosterone to begin with. I had bloods done and it came out to be 500.

Dude I'm 5'6 in boots.

I can show you portfolios of fine women I've dated long term and flings.

As far as never being able to succeed in body building at your height.

Roely winklaar 5'6" 275 lbs
Lee priest
Momo benaziza
Shawn ray
Franco columbu
Danny Padilla
Mike mentzer

All these dudes were 5'7" or shorter.....

[Mr.BB]

Taking steroids will fuse your plates and stunt your growth, no need to argue with the obvious.

[aestheticsfirst]

Ok honestly this is not just about girls. I also want be a "big" guy. That's my main concern for worrying about this. Anyway I will think of the safest way to address this. Maybe I can't get taller but I can sure as hell get bigger.

[Couchlock]

Ok honestly this is not just about girls. I also want be a "big" guy. That's my main concern for worrying about this. Anyway I will think of the safest way to address this. Maybe I can't get taller but I can sure as hell get bigger.

Go Greg valentino

[aestheticsfirst]

Go Greg valentino

lol not like him though just 200-210 lbs lean is my goal.

[redz]

How much you weigh now?

[redz]

Remember it's not a sprint it's a marathon so build your base and learn about diet and training. Diet is the most crucial part of the formula.

[aestheticsfirst]

Remember it's not a sprint it's a marathon so build your base and learn about diet and training. Diet is the most crucial part of the formula.

I agree bro there's no need for me to rush things. I just need to take it slowly I have plenty of time and I don't want to mess up my health along the way. Right now I am 182 lbs before I was 194 ish but I was carrying some fat.

[redz]

So it's not like you're some tiny dude or something. Some frames are better for looking jacked up. In my avatar I was 229lbs im 6'2" a lot of people think I was skinny. Im bigger now but I'm never going to look like a body builder with 80" reach. I don't care I love my body.

[aestheticsfirst]

So it's not like you're some tiny dude or something. Some frames are better for looking jacked up. In my avatar I was 229lbs im 6'2" a lot of people think I was skinny. Im bigger now but I'm never going to look like a body builder with 80" reach. I don't care I love my body.

Yes but you dwarf those bodybuilders and will look bigger than them in person. 6'2 230-250 lbs is massive in person. In my case honestly I just need to accept it but maybe I can still do well in bodybuilding. We will see I am going to keep working hard and try the test only cycle. Besides I think my wrists will thicken up from lifting anyway.

[Marsoc]

Yes but you dwarf those bodybuilders and will look bigger than them in person. 6'2 230-250 lbs is massive in person. In my case honestly I just need to accept it but maybe I can still do well in bodybuilding. We will see I am going to keep working hard and try the test only cycle. Besides I think my wrists will thicken up from lifting anyway.

I've always had skinny wirsts i think. But my forearms are bigger then anyone's I ever seen especially for someone that hasn't been in the gym his whole life and never took roids . Not sure what wrist diameter has to do with anything either lol..ur thinking way to much brother

[Marsoc]

I just don't get why you think steroids will change your bone structure lol. R u serious ? Maybe growth hormone as a child would have .....if u think u have it bad now and are basing your success in all areas of like on steroids in affraid you will be worse off and screwed ..numbere pretty much explained it good ..go with it

[aestheticsfirst]

I just don't get why you think steroids will change your bone structure lol. R u serious ? Maybe growth hormone as a child would have .....if u think u have it bad now and are basing your success in all areas of like on steroids in affraid you will be worse off and screwed ..numbere pretty much explained it good ..go with it

Bro my problem isn't muscle building genes, mine are quite good actually. My problem is the actual structure underneath. It is not good for sports but honestly like others said it isn't that bad for bodybuilding. We'll see how I respond to steroids. Maybe I have a good response. Hopefully bodybuilding is my calling.

[Marsoc]

Bro my problem isn't muscle building genes, mine are quite good actually. My problem is the actual structure underneath. It is not good for sports but honestly like others said it isn't that bad for bodybuilding. We'll see how I respond to steroids. Maybe I have a good response. Hopefully bodybuilding is my calling.

Right so your not worried about your muscle , you're saying your bone structure isn't ideal...again ...I'm pretty sure steroids can't change "whats underneath" I.e bone structure

[redz]

The funny thing is even at 265 I don't see myself as that big. The mind never adjusts. People try to put that in perspective for me sometimes but it's hard to grasp. I'm just getting into my full routine again after moving cities and now I'm looking forward to what I can do but I'm no where near the shape I was before. I know I owe myself some gruelling gym time.

[aestheticsfirst]

The funny thing is even at 265 I don't see myself as that big. The mind never adjusts. People try to put that in perspective for me sometimes but it's hard to grasp. I'm just getting into my full routine again after moving cities and now I'm looking forward to what I can do but I'm no where near the shape I was before. I know I owe myself some gruelling gym time.

Yeah brother I was called out in the gym for being small and weak that's why I am getting self conscious but whatever man I need to keep working hard. Bodybuilding is mostly genetics but I do have genetics for strength at least.

I am gonna shut the haters up but I do need to work my way up to a 6 plate deadlift 5 plate squat and 4 plate bench.

It will take time and I need to put in the work.

[DROY]

The funny thing is even at 265 I don't see myself as that big. The mind never adjusts. People try to put that in perspective for me sometimes but it's hard to grasp. I'm just getting into my full routine again after moving cities and now I'm looking forward to what I can do but I'm no where near the shape I was before. I know I owe myself some gruelling gym time.

The reason you don't see yourself as big has to do with your subconscious internal image. Usually this is developed at an early age and is hard to change. I am in the same situation, I was tall and skinny when in my teens. I am now 6 feet tall 220lbs, and I don't feel bigger, it seems that everyone is smaller. I still get a bit of a shock sometimes when I see myself in the mirror beside someone else. It is related to anorexia in that some people see themselves as fat in spite of what the mirror tells them...we see ourselves as smaller...

[Marsoc]

The reason you don't see yourself as big has to do with your subconscious internal image. Usually this is developed at an early age and is hard to change. I am in the same situation, I was tall and skinny when in my teens. I am now 6 feet tall 220lbs, and I don't feel bigger, it seems that everyone is smaller. I still get a bit of a shock sometimes when I see myself in the mirror beside someone else. It is related to anorexia in that some people see themselves as fat in spite of what the mirror tells them...we see ourselves as smaller...

Dude me too. I, 6' 205 now and I always think other are taller then me. When I find out they are shorter. I'm like mind blown. Lol..it's weird

[redz]

There will always be dumb haters. Make yourself happy no one else.

[Couchlock]

lol not like him though just 200-210 lbs lean is my goal.

Greg looked great before he fucked himself up.

Tightest looking 150lbs I ever seen.

[Sh0tsf1red]

I think you need a therapist, not AAS, to help with your feelings of inferiority

[Couchlock]

Greg looked great before he fucked himself up.

Tightest looking 150lbs I ever seen.

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I hear you on the haters,

Fuck them.

Its not about how much, I pride myself on being 150lbs and able to easily bench twice my weight.

For a 250lb man to do that,he needs to get 500 lbs.

Not many can, a lot, but not most.

I've got it too, but I like to by walk over to the dumbbell rack and grab a dumbbell 10 lbs heavier and rep it cleaner and with better form than the snarky 210lb assholes.

Real men, don't talk down to others or try to make someone feel like shit,bullies do.

There's a saying scarface the rapper said in a song in the I'd, I live my life by it.

"Real killers don't check nuts, because they know they got em"

[Marsoc]

I hear you on the haters,

Fuck them.

Its not about how much, I pride myself on being 150lbs and able to easily bench twice my weight.

For a 250lb man to do that,he needs to get 500 lbs.

Not many can, a lot, but not most.

I've got it too, but I like to by walk over to the dumbbell rack and grab a dumbbell 10 lbs heavier and rep it cleaner and with better form than the snarky 210lb assholes.

Real men, don't talk down to others or try to make someone feel like shit,bullies do.

There's a saying scarface the rapper said in a song in the I'd, I live my life by it.

"Real killers don't check nuts, because they know they got em"

Yeah but strength isn't everything. Pure mass is something difficult too wrastle with especially when they put that weight on you and throw it around lol

[PistolPete33]

I agree that you have the wrong mindset. I'm 5' 6.5" and I've been an athlete all my life. I could run cycles around all the jocks in high school and after. I graduated high school at 125lbs. and I'm now 200lbs. I can tell you height has less to do with meeting a woman than you think. Confidence is the biggest thing that will attract women. We all go thru stages of insecurity and self doubt but when you get over that things will improve.

[aestheticsfirst]

Ok honestly it's not so much inferiority but it's that i want to compete. But I can only really compete against guys in my weight class because bigger guys can lift more by default.

I'm glad to be able to work harder than ever and good things are in store.

[fit_deskjocky]

Ok honestly it's not so much inferiority but it's that i want to compete. But I can only really compete against guys in my weight class because bigger guys can lift more by default.

I'm glad to be able to work harder than ever and good things are in store.

Being short you also have an advantage on lifting heavier. Your lower center of gravity is perfect for strength. I've lifted with tall partners and they were always envious of the quick smoothness of my lifts, how little effort it took to get parallel or a little further and come back up before they can even lower the bar.

The female thing is all confidence. We've all seen the chubby or ugly kid with the hot girl. It's not money or big dick, it's personality. I guarantee that chubby kid is funny as shit and makes her laugh. Most hot girls don't want to be with a guy that's good looking as a shitty personality and attitude come with it. Confidence is the key. Watch some videos of Russell Brand who is ugly as hell, and watch how he makes them laugh. Some of his pickup vids from back in the day are quite entertaining and may give you some pointers.