m1t and S1+ stack?????

**justin2305** · 10-19-2004, 10:15 PM

aight bros ive came across this stuff called S1+ and have never heard of it and i have been lifting for bout 2 yrs off and on now and i just now found out bout it... tell me what yall think and no bout the product???

aight well i was thinking of doing that S1+ stuff stacked with m1t and creatine (phosphagen XT) ive done a lil research on S1+ and it seems legit.. here is my dosages that i was thinking bout doing...

wk1-4 10mgs m1t aday
wk1-4 6sprays S1+ aday(torso,thighs,arms)
wk1-? creatine 10mg aday
wk4-6 nolva 20mgs aday
wk6-8 nolva 10mgs aday

thanks a bunch....

**justin2305** · 10-19-2004, 10:17 PM

ohh here is some stuff on S1+ just so yall can take a look... thanks alot
http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=816

**justin2305** · 10-19-2004, 11:09 PM

does anyone no about this S1+ stuff and how is it?????

**Bryan2** · 10-19-2004, 11:18 PM

s1+ is an excellent product it contains 4ad which converts to test
and 1 test

since your already getting the 1 test from M1T then I would suggest holding out for another cycle with this and going with 4derm with your M1T

**justin2305** · 10-20-2004, 10:23 AM

could u hook me up with a web for that 4derm ive never heard of it???thanks

**nsa** · 10-20-2004, 10:32 AM

I would do 10 sprays of S1+ ED, i am doing it right now with m-1,4-add and it is working very well.

**justin2305** · 10-20-2004, 10:34 AM

10 sprays meaning 5 then later 5 or 10 all at once??? and do u think that m1t and S1+ would be a good stack and should i keep the creatine in there with it??? thanks a bunch bro

**nsa** · 10-20-2004, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by justin2305

10 sprays meaning 5 then later 5 or 10 all at once??? and do u think that m1t and S1+ would be a good stack and should i keep the creatine in there with it??? thanks a bunch bro

Yeah, split up the the sprays in 12 hour increments. I personally don't like m1t and S1+, aside of that i would say you might want to look into m-ohn or m-1,4-ad. I am currently cycling S1+ at 10 sprays ED stacked with m-1,4-ad. And i personally like adding creatine at the start of pct to help maintain strength.

**justin2305** · 10-20-2004, 10:43 AM

aight thanks a bunch for ur feedback bro... i appriciate it

**justin2305** · 10-20-2004, 10:46 AM

hey bro could u by chace send me a link on the M-1 and 4-ad???thanks

**nsa** · 10-20-2004, 11:40 AM

http://www.bulk nutrition.com/?products_id=932

Just take out the space between bulk and nutrition.

**unclemoney** · 10-20-2004, 01:38 PM

well look... Either you can do s1+ or m1t//4ad s1+(1-test,test) and m1t(methyl-1-test) and 4 derm(test) If I were you I would go with m1t//4derm look up 4derm under the 4-androstenediol section of 1fast400 or just take this link

m1t: http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=901

4derm: http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=817

**nsa** · 10-20-2004, 01:47 PM

S1+ is essentially a slightly less powerful 1-testosterone than m1t, but has essentially no hepatoxicity.

**justin2305** · 10-20-2004, 02:23 PM

thanks for the links bros....

**ash146** · 10-20-2004, 04:40 PM

NSA .... do you prefer to use Creatine during pct or is perfectly okay during the S1+ cycle? I've read the FAQs and i'm just doing S1+ - i'm a newbie but i lurked and read, and read and read,lol ... anyhow does the creatine make any difference? have you done S1+ before? how did u like it overall?

**nsa** · 10-20-2004, 05:12 PM

Its perfectly fine during the cycle, i just prefer to use it when i know i would be naturally slightly weaker without it (i.e. Begining of PCT) so that it will give me a slight boost in strength to compensate for the slight loss in strength. Along with clenbuterol i haven't really lost any strength during pct, but when using clen and creatine at the same time you have to make sure to drink at least 1.5+ gallons ED, i was drinking about 2 gallons ED and i didn't cramp at all.

Creatine helps increase strength, i could go into a lengthy explanation of how it does this but it is too long so i won't.

I am currently on a double dose of S1+ along with m-1,4-ad and i love it, the S1+ is helping my gainsa little, but im thinking that the m-1,4-ad is causing the bulk of my gains.(seeing as how it converts to dbol)

**ash146** · 10-20-2004, 06:49 PM

sounds good, thanks for the advice. I aint on your level or knowledge but I hope to be. I've been working with Swole for just over a year so I thought i'd give PH a try and figured if i'm gonna start with something this would be it. Gotta crawl before I walk.

**Bryan2** · 10-20-2004, 09:45 PM

Are you up in weight yet NSA

curious to see how 180mg is working?

How are you breaking up the doseage?

**nsa** · 10-21-2004, 12:14 AM

I am up in weight a little bit, about 185 from 178 when i started. I have been studying nonstop this week and taking alot of adderall, so my diet has not been what i would like it to be, I've only been getting around 3 meals a day instead of 6. We'll see how it goes after all these exams.

**justin2305** · 10-22-2004, 04:04 PM

aight bros im 180lbs and i was wondering what and how i should take the m1t(how many mgs and for how long)i was thinking something like...
10mgs ED for 3wks
pct 3wks off
nolva wk1 20mgs ED
nolva wk2-3 10mgs ED
then go back on cycle

what do yall think??? thanks a bunch

**nsa** · 10-22-2004, 04:15 PM

Read the M1T FAQ...

**SMYL_GR8** · 12-30-2004, 02:15 PM

If the s1+ is 5-alpha reduced, will finasteride cancel it's conversion?

**Bryan2** · 12-30-2004, 02:29 PM

finasteride will help the DHT conversion with the 4ad that converts to test
But 1 Test is already 5alpha reduced.

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