My first cycle - M1T, 4AD and Nolvadex...

**El Lumbejack** · 02-28-2006, 08:43 PM

I'm about to start a prohormone cycle of M1T, but have a few questions that my research hasn't provided me answeres to...

To start with, I found a store that still has a few bottles of M1T for sale unofficially (theyre kept behind the counter and not generally advertised). The cost is $100 for 60 capsules at 10mg. each. It seems strange to me that they would be sold in a store considering they were banned early in 2005...

The ease of acquiring the M1T is why I considered the cycle in the first place, but upon further investigation, threads seem to consistently recommend the addition of 4AD to combat lethargy and the use of Nolvadex in a PCT.

My first question is: what is 4AD and where can I get it? What are the important differences between the oral and subdermal versions?

Also, where can I find Nolvadex? The closest I found was Clenbuterol , but I'm not sure what it is or if it is as effective.

Any help or advice would be appreciated...

**cmax** · 02-28-2006, 10:32 PM

Perhaps that same store which has M1T kept behind the counter also has 4AD kept behind the counter as well. Ask them.

Oral 4AD is taken orally and subdermal 4AD is taken subdermally.

In terms of PCT, Nolvadex and Clenbuterol are not even close to being the same! I suggest that you do more research.

If you want to find Nolvadex go to the top right corner of your browser window and click on the blue and yellow flashy-thing. This will take you to Nolvadex central.

You could also get to Nolvadex City by clicking on the word, Nolvadex. <--- Except for this one cause the link doesn't show up.

**Bojangles69** · 02-28-2006, 10:46 PM

dont worry about transdermal or oral imo, see what you can get first than worry about that. M1t is harsh, get TONS of milk thistle and hawthorne with it. and yeah a lot more research, everything youve asked it well documented on this site except for sources of illegal supplements.

**DevilsDeity** · 03-01-2006, 07:21 AM

The cost is $100 for 60 capsules at 10mg. WOW
when it was legal i paid like 10 bucks for a 60 count.

your asking questions like: "Also, where can I find Nolvadex ? The closest I found was Clenbuterol , but I'm not sure what it is or if it is as effective." Clen IS TOTALLY DIFFERNET. and "what is 4AD and where can I get it? What are the important differences between the oral and subdermal versions?" (good questions that have been answered hundreds of times on this board)
you have a ton of research to do before you even start thinking about putting anything into your body especially
M1T.

how old are you ? what are your stats?

**El Lumbejack** · 03-01-2006, 06:12 PM

I have done plenty of research, but for some reason have found very little regarding 4AD and prohormones in general. It seems that theres much more information regarding actual steroids . I have a general idea what 4AD is but nothing specific (i.e. why is it a viable counter to lethargy?). Also, the reason I mentioned clenbuterol was b/c it was the supplement offered by anabolicresearch-review I was directed to when clicking on the nolvadex link. I noticed other similar products like Tamoxifen Citrate and Clomiphene citrate, but not Nolvadex. I am also uncertain of the sites legitimacy. And yes, $100 seemed steep to me, but still better than spending $120 on shit xyience products that hardly do anything. Is Methyl-1-Test not worth that much? I don't mean to sound bitter, but Im sick of spending hundreds of dollars on products that promise "10 lbs. of lean muscle in one month" and hardly do a thing.

Im 22, and have been working out regularly for 3 years. At 6'0" I've gone from 135lbs. to 170lbs. with less than 10% body fat and a 28.5" waist. Obviously my build is very lean and putting on mass is very difficult for me. I have made almost no progress in the last year and have been working out fairly heavily and eating as much as possible. I have tried many of the common legal supplements (creatine, NO2, protein, etc.) with little success. At most they have offered me better pumps.

**DevilsDeity** · 03-01-2006, 06:20 PM

Tamoxifen Citrate is the generic name for Nolva.
Clomiphene citrate is the generic name for clomid.
4AD- converts to test, thus helping combat lathargy(transdermal converts to test at a higher rate then oral).

i was not trying to sound like a dick in my post just trying to keep you from
messing yourself up even tho you can buy them over the counter there is risk involved with them, and no one is sure of the long term effect of them yet.

anabolicresearch-review is a very good company and i have never had any problems with there products.

**Squatman51** · 03-01-2006, 09:39 PM

damnnn 100 bucks I bought a bottle a while back for 25$ for 180 caps when it was legal but i was just actually about to throw it out i dont want them anymore i did one cycle of them a while back but i want to wait until im about 23-24 til i use any AAS