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04-18-2006, 09:18 AM #1
Gyno from natural test boosters??
Can you get gyno from using zma, tribulus, and tongkat ali together??
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04-18-2006, 09:57 AM #2
You would only get gyno from estrogen. Unless you're body produces alot of estrogen naturally, or if you have a sup that adds estrogen then you would be fine. Those products do not create estrogen, so you would be fine from them. If you have, or are worried about gyno, your could take an anti-e like nolvadex or simmilar.
So the short answer would be : no, test boosters will not give you gyno.
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04-18-2006, 06:16 PM #3Originally Posted by freak_of_nature_86
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04-18-2006, 09:54 PM #4
an AI use with them would help the results as well
but unless you are gyno prone or have pre existing gyno then you really shouldnt worry from herbs.
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04-19-2006, 12:29 PM #5
Tribulus is a testosterone enhancer. It increases testosterone levels differently than similar products like Androstenedione or DHEA. Instead of being a testosterone precursor, it leads to the production of the luteinizing hormone (LH). When LH levels are increased, the natural production of our testosterone is increased.
Tongkat Ali works by signaling the hypothalamus and pituitary glands to naturally increase your own testosterone levels without causing your balls to shrink. This pro-hormone stimulator transforms bound testosterone into free testosterone. When using androstenedione, DHEA, etc. testosterone levels are elevated, hormones (androgens and estrogens) will signal your body to decrease or stop its own testosterone production (negative feedback). Tongkat counteracts the negative feedback to the hypothalamus and pituitary gland, which allows the body to continue the production of testosterone at elevated levels.
You don’t you have to worry about gyno from using either Tribulus or Tongkat, but I’m not certain if you took extremely high doses what would happen like Papi93 stated?
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04-19-2006, 12:38 PM #6Originally Posted by FullMoonHowlingWolf
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04-19-2006, 11:47 PM #7Originally Posted by freak_of_nature_86
ZMA is a highly specific and unique vitamin/mineral combination. Yes, that's right, there are certain minerals out there that have a positive impact on athletic performance and you guessed it--testosterone levels . ZMA is a special combination of zinc, magnesium, and vitamin B-6. The zinc in this outstanding product is specifically formulated as zinc aspartate and zinc mono L-methionine which makes it incredibly bioavailable because of the two forms of chelates. The magnesium is also found in a chelated form bound to aspartate which makes it very bioavailable as well. In fact, the magnesium and zinc are bound together to the aspartate which can also (chemically speaking) enhance absorption. Absorption and usage of minerals is a key factor in receiving their many benefits. ZMA is the creation of Balco Labs and executive director Victor Conte who has been studying the effects of minerals and trace elements for over 15 years. Research conducted on strength athletes by Balco labs on ZMA shows that this precise combination of zinc, magnesium, and vitamin B-6 can increase total and free testosterone levels by 30%. A study published in Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise showed that nightly supplementation with ZMA also increased strength and power. This is all very exciting news for performance athletes and fitness enthusiasts. Zinc is a micromineral involved in the action of several hormones including insulin , growth hormone , testosterone, and estrogen. It is involved in more than 200 enzymatic reactions. Research has indicated that exercising individuals have a greater need for zinc as they are more prone to a zinc deficiency. Is it proven to increase testosterone levels in healthy subjects? You betcha!
A 1996 study entitled "Zinc status and serum testosterone levels of healthy adults" by Ananda Prasad, M.D., Ph.D. showed that taking 30 mg of supplemental zinc daily by healthy men experiencing moderate zinc deficiency doubled their testosterone levels in a 6 month time frame. Now that's what I call a testosterone booster ! Magnesium is a macromineral that is involved in over 300 enzymatic reactions in the body including glycolysis, the krebs cycle, creatine phosphate formation, nucleic acid synthesis, amino acid activation, cardiac and smooth muscle contractability, cyclic AMP formation, and most importantly for strength athletes, protein synthesis. The final piece to the ZMA formula is vitamin B-6 which is also know as pyridoxine and has some major implications on protein synthesis. The coenzyme form of this vitamin is associated with a vast number of enzymes, the majority of these enzymes are a part of amino acid metabolism. It is necessary in glycogen catabolism to "unlock" carbohydrate energy and vitamin B6 has also been shown to diminish the actions of certain catabolic steroids such as glucocorticoid hormones (cortisol). This can boost the all important T : C (testosterone to cortisol) ratio which can lead to positive muscle building effects. Taking one dose of ZMA about 30 minutes before bed time is recommended.
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04-20-2006, 12:00 AM #8
Im about to start up tongkat and novedex XT..the AI just in case and also to add some natty test boosting effect as well
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04-20-2006, 12:15 AM #9Member
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If you are fat, I would say there is /some/ possibilityfor gyno. All of those products increase T levels, and E2 comes from T via the aromatase enzyme. Alot of the aromatase enzyme is found in adiposetissue, so if you are fat, there is more chance that the extra T will become extra E2
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