which do you think would be better for cuttin superdrol or pheraplex- either i might try hydroxycut with or clen
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which do you think would be better for cuttin superdrol or pheraplex- either i might try hydroxycut with or clen
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superdrol is better for cutting than PP
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do you think runnin clen with superdrol for 4 week's is a good idea?
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does pp cause any bloating? is there a profile for pp on this site?
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what makes SD any better than PP for cutting?
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Originally Posted by Venum
hmmm, i was thinking the same?
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nothing really..just dry gains..but watch how low the carbs go because sd drains the carbs from u and puts it in the muscles
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neither. i wouldn't waste a cycle man. sd and pp are meant for bulking. i mean you might get some good results but why not go for the full potential of sd and pp? i would save it for bulking or clean bulking and then do clen. don't forget about pct.
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I wouldnt forget about pc. my problem is I dont wanna do all out cycle.. something short, so im considering a half prop cycle with clen or somethin else.. I just dont know whats best
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sd has more sides including back pumps blood pressure, etc. so i think i would do pp if you are more concerned about the sides but sd is stronger.
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PP is more androgenic than SD, hence more side effects as well
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pp is the only supplement i can honestly say i enjoyed
sd is coming up in 3 more weeks!!!!! cant wait!!!!!!
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by supplement do u mean steroid lol
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I eard different, Superdrol add all the badies and PP was a bit better.
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what says they are "meant for bulking"
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i got ZERO sides from Phera-Plex and all i hear about is the shit sides u get from superdrol.
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Superdrol isn't stronger. Phera-plex's androgenic ratio is almost 2X higher than Superdrol's. Superdrol is a 3 while Pheraplex is a high 5!
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i bulked on a massive carb loading/protein loading diet and my gains in strength and size on Phera-plex were unprecidented. i can't believe how well it kept me lean. i would encourage you to get a good maintenance level diet made, and then use Phera-plex as a cutting boost. i GUARANTEE you, that you will not be disappointed.
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i'm on week three of superdrol.. so far i have run 20/20/30, i'm going to stay at 30 for the last week. i don't think upping the dosage to 30 did any more good than staying at 20 would have. I haven't had shit for side effects, some back pumps here and there, but nothing worth noting, not to mention I'm up 10 lbs. and my strength is through the roof. i think they're both quality products, and NO, neither are "meant for bulking." your diet is meant for cutting/bulking. this is the same reason why you can bulk on steroids and cut on relatively the same combination.
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My diet is fine, I work out with a personal trainer/nutritionist... my diet is on point, and im very very strict.. so you think the PP would be more than sufficient for cutting How would you run it NoVastepp? what precautions should i take? And what would you recommend for PCT?
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Would you think it to be a good idea, to run it with clen or an Eca stack or something? i guess i would run the clen for 4 week's with benadryl on the 3rd week right?
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I have read figures stating the anaboli:androgenic ratios of PP and SD. 160:60 and 200+:25 respectively.
In theory, androgens give better strength, so PP would be stronger in this respect. Practice however is different.
Side effects doesnt indicate how strong the hormone is
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that's what i've been told. i mean i didn't say that it wouldn't work as a cutting boost but i remeber the sd cycle preview and they told me that sd is meant for bulking. i dunno man cuz you are obviously a lot more knowledgeable than me and you've help me out a lot in the past bro. but it's just my opinion not to use sd or pp while cutting because you can get better results from them while bulking.
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yah...so... im thinking of running both, stacking sd with pp, any suggestions on how i should divide it up?? ill be cutting, but want to retain lean mass for the lakes this summer...hell yeah!!
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if just cutting theres not really a need to stack these 2 steroids for the sake of perserving lean mass
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There is no need to stack theses 2 togheter, you will get major side effects from this.
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The other big thing is that superdrol has a tendancy to act as a diuerectic and i loose alot of water the first week when on it, this is always very nice, and it makes u look leaner and more cut. does pp have anything like this, and if this is the case with either, would be adding it to the middle of a short prop cycle maybe be a good idea if i wanted to go that route, im just so up in the air on what i want, cause i just wanna do a light short cycle.. if this is all crazy im sorry, im just tryin to not be impatient and do whats best for my needs and wants at this point. all help would be highly apprecioated
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This is a property of pretty much all DHTs: They cause negative feedback and decrease the amount of estrogen in the body, hence, loewr fat and water retention.
Winstrol is used pre-comp for this aswell as giving vascularity (and so you dont lose strength while dieting..... and apparently as a mild AI)
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Id say you spend your money on Promagnon 25 for cutting as its properties are better suited for it.
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What about Methoxy-Trn for 4 weeks, and PP for 4 weeks (1 week overlap) and Prostanazol all through it?
Or...
Finigenx 1-7
Promagnon 1-4
Mthxy-Trn 4-7
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I'm trying to come up with a cycle for cutting up too. Want to incorperate 2 weaker compounds with one stronger...
(Sorry if i hijacked the thread)
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can you show me where u got those numbers? thanks.
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i just didn't know what u meant man. and who's to say im more knowledgable than you? had a buddy in a local fitness center that i help out in say he cut with superdrol and said it worked great, but i have to believe it is highly due to some of its dieuretic effects. pheraplex kept me lean so i figure it may work for me if i cut. but i think if superdrol keeps u lean it could be great for bulking as well.
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So it is possible to cut on thoses supplements. Great news then
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Quite frankly, I havent a damn clue where I got them. Im pretty sure it was the result of a long google.
the superdrol data is extrapolated from the phera-plex from an article i read. It stated the raio of pheraplex, and also said that it is 2.5x more androgenic than SD, so I divided 60 by 2.5 to get 24 (yes, i rounded to the nearest value f 5).
Another article said that SDs anabolism wasrated at about half of oxymetholon's, which I beleive is around 400. Hence, 200
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I also cut while on SD, but then again, I also gained 12 pounds.. SOoo I dont know if gaining 12pounds in 8weeks (cycle + PCT) is considered bulking?!? SD definitely gives dry gains which I also believe is highly due to its dieuretic effects, drink plenty of H2o... I think that both these supps are great, and its effects depend mainly on the person and reaction to them... Example-My homeboy took SD and gained 10lbs,, couple months later took PP and lost 7lbs but leaned up?!?
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Bingo!
Everyone will react a lil different.
I gained 16 pounds on Superdrol and strength went way up.
Did the Phera-Plex for the next cycle and dropped 10 pounds and did not loose strength.
So for me: SD - BULK
PP - CUT
But Diet and training intensity need to be on point before you even approach these - Just my 2 cents.
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