Time between SD and PP cycle

**hawktribal** · 04-24-2006, 06:17 PM

I'm on my last week of SD and I'm thrilled with the results. I decided to order a bottle of PP just to compare the results. I'm guessing that the results from PP won't be quite as good just because I hear the first time around is the best, but I'm curious to see how i react to PP.

I am fully aware that most people are running 4 weeks PCT, then 4 weeks natural, before starting another cycle. My question is this. Would it be a counter productive to start the PP right after PCT (4weeks after being off SD.) ?

No offense to anyone, but I am looking for knowledgeable responses NOT opinions. I'm hoping Papi and nova as well as the others who know their stuff can give me some responses. Please stay off this thread if you can't provide a reasonable answer with some support to back it up. I mean no offense whatsoever to anyone, I just need some mro's on the board who know their stuff. I realize this stuff is hard as hell on the liver, but I need to if it would be okay to give it a go. Here's my stats / SD cycle. Keep in mind I'm still on week 3 and planning on runnign through 4 weeks.

5'9" 190 lbs. Somewhere around 10-11% BF. (Starting SD weight was 178)
SD 20/20/30/30
Planning on 40 mg ED Nolva PCT.
And yes, I have milk thistlr and all that.

The PP cycle (when I decide to start) would be 20/20/20/20

**Rip it** · 04-24-2006, 07:58 PM

well thats i good question because i was thinking about doing the same thing but not sure when i could start back up i am geussing that after Pct you could probably start back up but i'm not sure, sorry i couldn't help. Would like to know the answer tho? Oh and hey were do you live in Iowa

**TADOLFI** · 04-24-2006, 08:10 PM

Okay hawk - take this for what it's worth...
I did a cycle of Superdrol at the three week suggested rate of 10/20/30
(I did have the lower back pain that some people mention for the last three days of the cycle)
PCT for two weeks - Rebound XT and Clomid 25 mg a day.
I gained 16 pounds and after the 10th day of PCT I felt that everything was back to normal.

Week Four after Superdrol I started Phera-Plex 10/20/30 as a leaning cycle to see if I could get more vascularity and definition - I lost 22 pounds and kept approx. 85% of my strength gains.
(No side effects from the PP)

I am now in week two of my PCT off the Phera-Plex and still keeping the strength. My body fat dropped from about 20% to 16% and I am hoping to continue to get it lower while keeping the definition.

I know this may not be apples to apples as far as using the Phera-Plex as a bulk cycle like the Superdrol, but I felt it was worth sharing.

Hope this helps.
~Troy

**mg316** · 04-24-2006, 08:35 PM

personally hawk after I finished my 4 week cycle of phera-plex, I did my 4week pct. with retain, rebound xt, milk thistle, and ce2 creatine, and I made even more strength gains during my pct, after I was done with the 4 weeks pct. I completely dropped the creatine, and started training naturally, except I was taking some long jack because I was having libido issues after my pct., I was still continuing making strength gains even training naturally.
Once I start to plateau on my strength gains I would throw in superdrol if I had it, to boost my strength gains even more. See how your strength and mass gains are after you finish pct and decide when you want to throw in the superdrol. I'm not sure if I answered your question correctly, but I hope this helps ya out.

**cfiler** · 04-24-2006, 08:44 PM

Both Phera Plex and Superdrol are both very liver toxic, and it is HIGHLY recomended that they be run seperate. Time on + PCT = time off. That's the rule for all aas.

If you are running 4 weeks of SD + 3-4 weeks PCT, then you would have to wait atleast 7-8 weeks before starting another cycle. Best bet would be to have your liver values measured, before starting another cycle.

What's your rush to start another cycle?

**mitch911** · 04-24-2006, 10:38 PM

hahah after 16 pounds id be pretty dam satisfied and ride that out naturally for as long as i could before even thinking about puttin somethin else in me. thats incredible for 3 wks lol

**hawktribal** · 04-24-2006, 10:57 PM

haha yeah, i'm pretty pleased with the results so far. i actually went from about 8 weeks of cutting into a dirty bulk so that definitely helped with some of the weight. i was eating everything and anything and SD was helping to keep the body fat off which i loved.

also, thanks a ton for the responses it's exactly what i was after. i'm gonna wait on running the PP for awhile, I'll try to keep the strength up naturally. the reason why i asked was not so much of impatience but more of timing of bulking. i'm going to keep bulking until and through the PP and i was hoping to cut sooner, but it's gonna have to wait. bulking's way more fun anyway.