Test Raising Stack

**cmax** · 04-28-2006, 07:44 PM

I was thinking about doing the following stack to raise my natural testosterone levels and lower my estrogen levels:

In the morning:

(1) Tongkat Ali
(2) Horny Goat Weed
(3) Chrysin
(4) DHEA

At night:

(1) 6-oxo
(2) ZMA

Is this too much stuff to take at once? Should I remove or replace some of these items with something else? Does anyone have any advice or suggestions on this stack?

Also is Nolvedex XT or Rebound XT much more effective than 6-oxo or are they close to the same?

Thanks!

**Milky87** · 04-29-2006, 01:19 AM

I beleive that ATD is stronger than 6-oxo, but I dont have any data to back that up. I also beleive that ATD is cheaper

Because I dont know the active life of 6-oxo, I would tak it at the same time as my DHEA to ensure that none of the DHEA is converting to estrogen.

Would it be fair to assume that you want natural ways to raise test and lower estrogens? Im guesing this is the case because otherwise you could just use anastrozole or letrozole

**Bryan2** · 04-29-2006, 04:31 PM

the chyrsin and horny goat weed arnt going to do much at all for test raising.

If you have the 6oxo then use it but for future ATD(active in rebound) is considerably stronger and the prefered.

I would add Activate by designer supps to free up more testosterone for muscle building and avena sativa is good for this purpose as well.

**Bryan2** · 04-29-2006, 04:32 PM

Check out Jungle warfare by ALRI as it is essentially the same ingredients for this very purpose if you havent spent any money on the rest of thes yet,

**Squatman51** · 04-29-2006, 05:32 PM

y not take out horny goat weed and chrysin and throw in some trib

**cmax** · 04-30-2006, 12:12 AM

Today I went to the supplement warehouse and the owner altered my testosterone boasting stack to the following:

In the morning:

(1) Red Kat (Tongkat Ali and other ingrediants - prorietary blend)
(2) Twin Lab Tribulus Fuel
(3) R-Alpha-Lipoic Acid

At night:

(1) 6-oxo
(2) Zinc lozenges
(3) B-6

Does this look better now?

He told me to scrap the Chrysin because it was crap. He told me to scrap the DHEA because I am too young to need it. I already have the 6-oxo, but he told me that Rebound XT is newer and might be stronger, he did not have Rebound XT.

Tomorrow I will look for Activate by designer supps and/or avena sativa. The Jungle Warefare looks interesting. I might try that in a few weeks.

**Squatman51** · 04-30-2006, 01:24 AM

yea that looks better i would keep some zinc and magnesium for bedtime though... i see you have zinc but add some mag. and youll be good to go

**Bryan2** · 04-30-2006, 03:42 AM

DHEA is still a very good add on as it provides a precursor to testosterone

plus it is really cheap so why not?

**cmax** · 04-30-2006, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Bryan2

DHEA is still a very good add on as it provides a precursor to testosterone

plus it is really cheap so why not?

I was planning on adding DHEA but the owner of the supplement warehouse told me that it could aromatase into estrogen. Is this true?

I am also concerned about the Tribulus Fuel converting into estrogen.

**Bryan2** · 04-30-2006, 01:10 PM

yes but the 6oxo is an anti aromatase so as long as you dose it same time as the DHEA it will stop it from turning into estrogen.

Tribulus does NOT raise testosterone levels so it is a complete waste for what you want to use it for.

**MFT81** · 04-30-2006, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Bryan2

yes but the 6oxo is an anti aromatase so as long as you dose it same time as the DHEA it will stop it from turning into estrogen.

Tribulus does NOT raise testosterone levels so it is a complete waste for what you want to use it for.

Please show me a study from a journal that says that. Not doubting you just wanna know.

IMO I think the best products for me to naturally raise test is

#1 some type of zma

#2 a good source of both efa's and sat. fat.

If you do run trib make sure its at least 45% protodiasin (?) and take 5 days on two days off.

Ive tried trib and I also think it dosent do much.