Best pro-hormone out there?

[suprman09]

Pp, Hd, Sd..............????????????

[EcToMoRpHiAn]

Your not going to get the answer you are looking for. There is no "best" because everybody is different. You need to be more specific, what are your stats, goals, etc. Research a little more because every day there is a new superdrol, phera plex, halodrol thread that asks the same questions.

[lc1987]

Your not going to get the answer you are looking for. There is no "best" because everybody is different. You need to be more specific, what are your stats, goals, etc. Research a little more because every day there is a new superdrol, phera plex, halodrol thread that asks the same questions.

true. everyone responds different to different products one may find superdrol very good but does not like halodrol so much. but some people say halodrol is better. you know what i'm saying?

[lc1987]

also just to let you know i am on 5th day of sd right now and so far it's pretty good. i was 159-162 before drol and as of yesterday, i was 168!!!!! i have been following a strict clean bulking diet along with sd. the only down side of drol is i am bloated. kinda sucks but hopefully it goes away after the cycle.

[suprman09]

good luck with that, do you know how to get the original hd50 and not the changed hd?

[ascendant]

why bother with the pro-hormone garbage? as i've said in other posts before, this stuff has not been thoroughly tested, therefore the sides are completely unknown, they destroy your liver, and most of them (excluding a select few) don't do anything beneficial?

if you're going to take something, do the real gear. don't waste your time with this pro-hormone stuff. you'll never see the pro-hormones being used for medicinal purposes cause of how unsafe they are. if you want what works, do what has been around for a long time, has been thoroughly tested, and is known to be safer. i don't get this whole pro-hormone hype many are buying into now? why would you possibly choose pro-hormone over the real stuff?

[lc1987]

why bother with the pro-hormone garbage? as i've said in other posts before, this stuff has not been thoroughly tested, therefore the sides are completely unknown, they destroy your liver, and most of them (excluding a select few) don't do anything beneficial?

if you're going to take something, do the real gear. don't waste your time with this pro-hormone stuff. you'll never see the pro-hormones being used for medicinal purposes cause of how unsafe they are. if you want what works, do what has been around for a long time, has been thoroughly tested, and is known to be safer. i don't get this whole pro-hormone hype many are buying into now? why would you possibly choose pro-hormone over the real stuff?

superdrol IS a steroid though.

[BajanBastard]

Most of the 'pro-hormones' today are drugs that were discovered but never released. I don't believe that they are total crap either, if you can get 1-test cyp, MoHN, MoHT, PP all are effective.

[ascendant]

Most of the 'pro-hormones' today are drugs that were discovered but never released. I don't believe that they are total crap either, if you can get 1-test cyp, MoHN, MoHT, PP all are effective.

right, but i'm sure there was good reasoning as to why most weren't released.

i also don't believe they're all crap, but i know without question that injectable gear is much safer, at minimum for your liver.

i just personally feel from my research and the studies done into products that people should stick with the gear that's been around for a while and proven to be safe. after all, how often do you find things that hit the market, are later shown to be too dangerous and had caused deaths or health problems, and removed later because of it? they release things to the public so they can be the guinea pigs oftentimes. i'm just trying to look out for your guys health.

[suprman09]

Well with a proper PCT and milk thistle during the cycle no one here seems to be complaining.

[ascendant]

Well with a proper PCT and milk thistle during the cycle no one here seems to be complaining.

right, and many people don't complain about smoking, yet others die everyday from it. most likely, you'll be fine taking those pro-hormones, but don't be under the mistaken impression ther are not undiagnosed side-effects that they don't yet know about.

i'm just looking out for your guys health and trying to suggest the safest compounds out there. if you don't want to listen, by all means disregard what i say. however, if you start a thread asking about what's safer, gear or pro-hormone, you'll find my info is correct.

[BajanBastard]

right, but i'm sure there was good reasoning as to why most weren't released.

i also don't believe they're all crap, but i know without question that injectable gear is much safer, at minimum for your liver.

i just personally feel from my research and the studies done into products that people should stick with the gear that's been around for a while and proven to be safe. after all, how often do you find things that hit the market, are later shown to be too dangerous and had caused deaths or health problems, and removed later because of it? they release things to the public so they can be the guinea pigs oftentimes. i'm just trying to look out for your guys health.

I agree with you, there's NO safety record of most of the DS but some are derived from popular AAS, like T-bol. Also MoHN and MoHT were released in Europe years ago.

[lc1987]

so real gear like deca is safer than sd or any other orals?

[BajanBastard]

Yes. But generally injectables are 'safer' than most orals.

[lc1987]

damn i should've gotten a real gear and it's safer and more effective. but orals wear off your body faster though right? that's my only concern for now.

[ascendant]

Yes. But generally injectables are 'safer' than most orals.

agreed. personally, i'm not into orals anymore. been a long time since i've done gear in general cause i'm just coming off of a long layoff and got some catching up to do first. however, when i do start again, i don't plan on doing any orals anymore. never had any problems in the past, but better safe than sorry.

IMO, with all the injects out there, i think people can avoid orals all together and take much safer cycles. again it's of course not necessary, but just trying to suggest what's safer, all things considered.

you no doubt have more info on pro-hormone products than i do, but i have learned enough about them to decide i'd much rather suggest people do gear.

[Ufa]

It is so hard to find the real deal; if you got something from GNC or off a web site you might as well throw it in the trash before you hurt your self.

If you got the real product you should run test with it.

[suprman09]

If you can't get the real gear pro hormones are a pretty good alternative if used properly.

[lc1987]

sorry guys i know this is completely off topic but is gear safer in the long run? i know a lot of people are saying that you are gonna cut out like 25 years outta your life if you take steroids but if gears is taken properly like with pct and everything, will you be ok afterwards???

[suprman09]

bump

[Giants11]

What are you bumping this for. There is no best. They all have different effects.


They should all be incorportated for differnet reasons. I could go on foreever here.

THERE IS NO GENERIC ANSWER FOR ANYTHING!

Not protein, not AAS, not prohormones, not toilet paper, not anything. Ask 100 people what the best car is and you'll get 100 different answers for 100 different reasons, so why are prohormones different????

[ascendant]

sorry guys i know this is completely off topic but is gear safer in the long run? i know a lot of people are saying that you are gonna cut out like 25 years outta your life if you take steroids but if gears is taken properly like with pct and everything, will you be ok afterwards???

whoever told you you'll be cutting 25 years off your life with gear has bought into the hyped up garbage. the only life-threatening concerns you'd really need to be concerned about with gear is a heart attack or stroke from high cholesterol levels. however, with proper maintenance of your cholesterol, blood pressure, and a few other things you can learn about in these forums, you can live a very long, very healthy life. for the most part, those are very easy to keep under control and only takes a few doctor visits a year for the bloodwork to be done.

the only exception to this is when you take gear year round, with no breaks, and with very heavy cycles all year round. just like if you drink too much water you can do serious damage to your body (including death), most things consumed excessively can kill you. however, gear taken in cycles and properly maintenanced won't affect your lifespan IMO.

[lc1987]

whoever told you you'll be cutting 25 years off your life with gear has bought into the hyped up garbage. the only life-threatening concerns you'd really need to be concerned about with gear is a heart attack or stroke from high cholesterol levels. however, with proper maintenance of your cholesterol, blood pressure, and a few other things you can learn about in these forums, you can live a very long, very healthy life. for the most part, those are very easy to keep under control and only takes a few doctor visits a year for the bloodwork to be done.

the only exception to this is when you take gear year round, with no breaks, and with very heavy cycles all year round. just like if you drink too much water you can do serious damage to your body (including death), most things consumed excessively can kill you. however, gear taken in cycles and properly maintenanced won't affect your lifespan IMO.

yeah that's wut i thought man. my wieght lifting teacher was talking about steroids and how it cuts 25 or so years out of my life. it was a total garbage.

[DirtyDog7]

Ok, so we all know that over the counter is not as safe and as good other things but it doesn't answere the question.

As far as I know Trem Extreme from Max Muscle Stores is the best product out there if you have the money. Easy on the liver and great results if you take enough.

[Ufa]

Somebody must be promoting something. Never seen so many pro hormone posts. Did GNC have a 20% off sale again.

[DirtyDog7]

Ok so it's not the best but if someone is going to go that route, what do they take?

I think it's a good topic.

[Ufa]

Ok so it's not the best but if someone is going to go that route, what do they take?

I think it's a good topic.

You gotta have a UGL cause all the internet and GNC crap is trash. Throw it
away before it hurts you.

PS. If you have the OLD pre banned product ignore previous remarks. OH! &

run test with it.

[DirtyDog7]

Agreed.

So what is the best over the counter product?......nothing?

[Testostack]

Yes. But generally injectables are 'safer' than most orals.

Once again, Big K.L.G sums it up............nuff said.

And best way to get a straight answer is by.........doing a SEARCH

There's a thread concerning that part too!

[MoNey MikE]

people thinkt hat taking PP And SD are a joke, but they are both liver toxic STEROIDS that if you, abuse , can be extremly harmfult o your body, so resarch any steroid, even if u dont think its something bad, just reearch 1st.

[Testostack]

May i say.....we're done w/ Ph and designer steroids in here, those question have been answered soooo many times, right Giantz?

[mwolffey]

May i say.....we're done w/ Ph and designer steroids in here, those question have been answered soooo many times, right Giantz?

ditto

[crash187ct]

What are you bumping this for. There is no best. They all have different effects.


They should all be incorportated for differnet reasons. I could go on foreever here.

THERE IS NO GENERIC ANSWER FOR ANYTHING!

Not protein, not AAS, not prohormones, not toilet paper, not anything. Ask 100 people what the best car is and you'll get 100 different answers for 100 different reasons, so why are prohormones different????

i have a generic answer for life


but seriously, this has been covered, only, about, a, billion, times.

[Testostack]

i have a generic answer for life


but seriously, this has been covered, only, about, a, billion, times.

Nuff said......What about closing this thread?...........

[ODC0717]

good luck with that, do you know how to get the original hd50 and not the changed hd?

you can't get the 'original' HD because it was the manufacturer who changed it, which was the reason it wasn't avaliable for a while. From my talking with Gaspari nutrition, they said they both have the same 'active ingredient', but the second lot is without the 'masking' agent. Yes, they had a masking agent which is why it was pulled off the shelves. They say they'll make one more lot then discontinue HD, because LE has gotten wind of what's inside and dosen't like it much.

I've tried SD, and am now currently on day 4 of HD. So far, not much, just a bit of an increase with my strength. Never tried PP so I can't comment on that.

[Panzerfaust]

The reason for so many threads is due to the fact that alot of results are pouring in from SD & PP cycles and it has people, me included interested in learning about it.

It should be common sense to anyone that does their homework that injectable is always safer on the liver than orals but with a solid and well thought out cycle and PCT there should not be any long term effects.

I am starting my first PP cycle on Monday but it took me over a month to read and decide if thats what i want to do, i will not go any farther than using PP.