whats the best out there?

**bigbouncinballs** · 12-05-2006, 12:35 AM

layin off the gear for a long time. currently taking in glutamine, creatine and a buttload of prot. what are ya'lls opinions on the best supp out there?

**Teegunn** · 12-05-2006, 12:45 AM

Probably a quality pre-work out supp like No-Explode or something similar. Also, you might think about trying Myogenx. It seems to have excellent feedback so far. But glutamine, a quality creatine and lots of protein are gonna be the backbone anyway.

**bigbouncinballs** · 12-05-2006, 01:00 PM

what is this no-explode, no2 or no-whatever. keep in mind i've stayed faaar away from designer supps for five years or so.
is it worth it and is there a cheap one out there that does the job?

***perfectbeast2001*** · 12-05-2006, 01:13 PM

anthony Roberts' new supp is generating a lot of excitement at the moment. Myogenx is supposed to increase natty test by 600%. There are a couple of logs here to monitor results.

**donniebrasco** · 12-05-2006, 01:23 PM

i thought powerfull by usp labs was quite good. its on sale at nutra planet.

**shredzs** · 12-05-2006, 01:58 PM

1 arginine
2 creatine
3 glutamine
4 taurine

**Teegunn** · 12-05-2006, 05:19 PM

NO-explode and many other pre-workout supps give a good dose of esterfied creatine, AAKG (arginine) and glutamine. They usually have some caffeine for energy too. That's actually a simplified explanation, but it should give you and idea of what's in them. My favorite is either No-Explode or Pump Fuel. Both work great.

**UpstateTank** · 12-05-2006, 07:50 PM

id reccomend either no-shotgun or amplify 02 (tried it for the first time today--loved it!)
No-shotgun gives you a full does of arginine, creatine, glutamine and bcaas not to mention it incorporates vpx's "redline energy/fatburning technology"...I got skin tearing pumps every time I used this stuff...As far as energy/focus wise goes it wasnt as intense as a NO-Explode. For amplify 02 the pumps were about equal w/ No-Shotgun and the energy was a lil better.

If you're looking for just straight focus/energy you have got to try ergopharm AMP. Ive never taken anything in my life that gives me energy and focus like this stuff does...Its not an NO product like shotgun or amplify, bur rather is chemically similar to an amphetamine. If you do decide to try out the AMP 4 pills is where the $$'s at...guarantee you wont find ne thing like this stuff!

Creatine wise id reccomend Gaspari SizeOn powder. Its a bit pricey, but its absolutely fantastic for bulking b/c its loaded w/ carbs! I used SizeOn during pct for my sd cycle and continued to increase in both weight and strength.

hope that helps a lil bit!

**WidowMaker** · 12-05-2006, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by UpstateTank

id reccomend either no-shotgun or amplify 02 (tried it for the first time today--loved it!)
No-shotgun gives you a full does of arginine, creatine, glutamine and bcaas not to mention it incorporates vpx's "redline energy/fatburning technology"...I got skin tearing pumps every time I used this stuff...As far as energy/focus wise goes it wasnt as intense as a NO-Explode. For amplify 02 the pumps were about equal w/ No-Shotgun and the energy was a lil better.

If you're looking for just straight focus/energy you have got to try ergopharm AMP. Ive never taken anything in my life that gives me energy and focus like this stuff does...Its not an NO product like shotgun or amplify, bur rather is chemically similar to an amphetamine. If you do decide to try out the AMP 4 pills is where the $$'s at...guarantee you wont find ne thing like this stuff!

Creatine wise id reccomend Gaspari SizeOn powder. Its a bit pricey, but its absolutely fantastic for bulking b/c its loaded w/ carbs! I used SizeOn during pct for my sd cycle and continued to increase in both weight and strength.

hope that helps a lil bit!

I'll bump my Bro's testamony.

**bigbouncinballs** · 12-06-2006, 12:25 AM

word! thnx for the help guys. don't need energy so much as the pump. w/out the gear the pump is missing so anything with a pump. whats in the NO formulas?

**CSAR** · 12-06-2006, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by UpstateTank

No-shotgun gives you a full does of arginine, creatine, glutamine and bcaas not to mention it incorporates vpx's "redline energy/fatburning technology"...I got skin tearing pumps every time I used this stuff...As far as energy/focus wise goes it wasnt as intense as a NO-Explode. For amplify 02 the pumps were about equal w/ No-Shotgun and the energy was a lil better.

I'll definitely back up UpstateTank's suggestion to try VPX NO Shotgun. Here's why:

1) VPX NO Shotgun has a real mellow and gentle energy/focus kick to it. Plus, the pumps are truly amazing - to the point of being painful. As an example, I get so swole after working bi's and tri's that I can't bend my arms to shave or wash my face.
Check out the product details at: http://www.vpxsports.com/newweb/prod...0Workout&id=41

2) BSN NO Xplode left me feeling shaky and unfocused, like a ferret on crystal meth. It also did not deliver on the "Insane Pumps" as advertised.

As far as creatine supps go, I strongly recommend Nutrex Vitargo CGL. Way more effective than any creatine with dextrose or maltodextrin. Also, doesn't bloat or cause stomach discomfort like most creatine supps.

As far as glutamine goes, I'm not a big fan. To my knowledge, most glutamine goes to the smooth muscle of the intestines. IMO, BCAA's are a better choice to promote muscle growth.

Myogen X looks really promising. I just ordered two bottles to give it a shot.

My supp regimen looks like this:

20 minutes pre WO - NO Shotgun
Immediate post WO - Vitargo CGL
30 minutes post WO - ON 100% Whey w/ 5g of BCAA powder
Prior to bedtime - 5g of BCAA powder

I'm bulking now, but since I started this two months ago, I put on 15 lbs. Of course, not all muscle - but my waist size has stayed at 32" while my arms gained almost 1".

**bigbouncinballs** · 12-06-2006, 09:36 AM

so where do you guys order this stuff from?

SVTMuscle* · 12-06-2006, 09:59 AM

www.discountanabolics.com
www.nutraplanet.com
www.cheapvitamins.com

there is a start to get the stuff

**UpstateTank** · 12-06-2006, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by bigbouncinballs

word! thnx for the help guys. don't need energy so much as the pump. w/out the gear the pump is missing so anything with a pump. whats in the NO formulas?

usually a mix of arginine, caffeine/some other types of stimulants, creatine

**eyecandy_44** · 12-06-2006, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by bigbouncinballs

so where do you guys order this stuff from?

lionnutrition.com

**bigbouncinballs** · 12-07-2006, 01:14 AM

hey svt, you're a monitor now eh? congrats! and thnx for the links all.

**Dog-Slime** · 12-07-2006, 06:03 PM

All that stuff is good but most of it turns out quite pricey. I shop at bodybuilding.com and buy Higher Power as bb.com own this company they sell it at really low prices. For pumps I use their AAKG powder its like 25 bucks for 150+ servings. I got my glutamine and creatine at similiarly cheap prices with big servings. All seem to be quality products and for the price you could buy those other products you could just buy the ingredients seperately and have a longer supply.

**oak2429** · 12-07-2006, 06:08 PM

cell tech will blow u up but its hard to keep gains when u get off

**bigbouncinballs** · 12-08-2006, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Dog-Slime

All that stuff is good but most of it turns out quite pricey. I shop at bodybuilding.com and buy Higher Power as bb.com own this company they sell it at really low prices. For pumps I use their AAKG powder its like 25 bucks for 150+ servings. I got my glutamine and creatine at similiarly cheap prices with big servings. All seem to be quality products and for the price you could buy those other products you could just buy the ingredients seperately and have a longer supply.

yeah, i was reading this months issue of flex with Milos' 30 day 3 shake a day plan and tryin to figure out how to incorporate that shotgun stuff with it without overloading of particulars... any ideas?

**goose** · 12-08-2006, 01:12 PM

How come a hardcore guy like you is taking time of gear?

**K.Biz** · 12-08-2006, 01:41 PM

go with the VPX No Shotgun for a pre-workout supp man. the pumps are intense as hell, and the energy is great.

**bigbouncinballs** · 12-08-2006, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by goose4

How come a hardcore guy like you is taking time of gear?

cuz gear shut me down indefinitely. its been six months, i'm the same size, still no sex drive. i want the umph back!

**GearIdentity** · 12-09-2006, 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by CSAR

I'll definitely back up UpstateTank's suggestion to try VPX NO Shotgun. Here's why:

1) VPX NO Shotgun has a real mellow and gentle energy/focus kick to it. Plus, the pumps are truly amazing - to the point of being painful. As an example, I get so swole after working bi's and tri's that I can't bend my arms to shave or wash my face.
Check out the product details at: http://www.vpxsports.com/newweb/prod...0Workout&id=41

2) BSN NO Xplode left me feeling shaky and unfocused, like a ferret on crystal meth. It also did not deliver on the "Insane Pumps" as advertised.

As far as creatine supps go, I strongly recommend Nutrex Vitargo CGL. Way more effective than any creatine with dextrose or maltodextrin. Also, doesn't bloat or cause stomach discomfort like most creatine supps.

As far as glutamine goes, I'm not a big fan. To my knowledge, most glutamine goes to the smooth muscle of the intestines. IMO, BCAA's are a better choice to promote muscle growth.

Myogen X looks really promising. I just ordered two bottles to give it a shot.

My supp regimen looks like this:

20 minutes pre WO - NO Shotgun
Immediate post WO - Vitargo CGL
30 minutes post WO - ON 100% Whey w/ 5g of BCAA powder
Prior to bedtime - 5g of BCAA powder

I'm bulking now, but since I started this two months ago, I put on 15 lbs. Of course, not all muscle - but my waist size has stayed at 32" while my arms gained almost 1".

ON 100% Whey already comes with 5g of BCAA's per serving (1scoop), I usually take my creatine with dex pw and then 20-30min later take in 3 scoops of ON 100% Whey because Im on igf, if not it would be 2 scoops of whey.

I was thinking of mixing Vitargo CGL with 5g of BCAA's for post WO, what do you think?

I really like your plan, your posts inspired me to try no-shotgun and vitargo cgl, Im just waiting fo my pack to arrive.

**K.Biz** · 12-09-2006, 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by GearIdentity

ON 100% Whey already comes with 5g of BCAA's per serving (1scoop), I usually take my creatine with dex pw and then 20-30min later take in 3 scoops of ON 100% Whey because Im on igf, if not it would be 2 scoops of whey.

I was thinking of mixing Vitargo CGL with 5g of BCAA's for post WO, what do you think?

I really like your plan,your posts inspired me to try no-shotgun and vitargo cgl, Im just waiting fo my pack to arrive.

i highly recomend it man. it works wonders for me

**CSAR** · 12-09-2006, 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by GearIdentity

ON 100% Whey already comes with 5g of BCAA's per serving (1scoop), I usually take my creatine with dex pw and then 20-30min later take in 3 scoops of ON 100% Whey because Im on igf, if not it would be 2 scoops of whey.

I was thinking of mixing Vitargo CGL with 5g of BCAA's for post WO, what do you think?

I really like your plan, your posts inspired me to try no-shotgun and vitargo cgl, Im just waiting fo my pack to arrive.

Cool. Sounds like you've got a good plan. I hope it works out for you!!

Yeah, I know the ON% comes with 5g of BCAA's, but some reports have suggested 20g a day. I'm trying 15g for now to see what happens for a month.

You can mix BCAA's with VCGL no problem, but the BCAA's will make the mix a little bitter. Same thing happens when I tried mixing them with the ON 100% Whey. So I just empty the scoop in my mouth and wash it down with water rather than mixing.