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    Ephedrine ... Fast question

    Hi,

    I am now trying to cut my bf% but also gaining as lean mass as possible so I got clean diet with cardio 3 times a week.

    I managed to take ephedrine as a fat burner. I have ephedrine HCL 50 mg. tablets. I take 25 mg when I wake up before cardio and another 25 throught the day.

    My question is : Is taking the another 25 mg an hour before workout will help me whaving a good one ? Increasing the concentration , strengh or any shit like that .... Or will not help me ???

    Thank you

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    it will help you with workout. Take some caffieine and aspirin with it too to get really good fat burning affects. 200mg caff and 15mg aspirin should do the trick. Be aware that ECA becomes ineffective after a couple of weeks so you will need to have a 2 weeks on 2 off protocol similar to that of clen .

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    PerfectBeast... I like your replies and the most thing I like about them is how the're relly fast...

    Thanks man...

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    i agree however ephedrine can be run up to 3-4 weeks and then off for a few weeks....

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    If you take ECA, make sure you take it 30 min before your workout if you can. Any longer and the caffiene will negatively effect fat burning and will crash your metabolism after two hours of ingestion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience
    If you take ECA, make sure you take it 30 min before your workout if you can. Any longer and the caffiene will negatively effect fat burning and will crash your metabolism after two hours of ingestion.

    can u explain how though???

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience
    If you take ECA, make sure you take it 30 min before your workout if you can. Any longer and the caffiene will negatively effect fat burning and will crash your metabolism after two hours of ingestion.
    Yes, please explain.

    Taking a metabolic enhancer prior to working out seems useless to me. Mainly due to the fact that you're burning calories while working out w/o the use of a fat burner. The main objective for a metabolic enhancer (clen or an ECA stack) would be to stimulate your body's metabolism during times when you're inactive, therefore resulting in more calories being burned.

    I've just never heard of or seen anyone structure their clen or ECA dosages just prior to working out. I've never taken anything to boost my metabolism, so please forgive me if I'm way off on this topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mavsluva
    Yes, please explain.

    Taking a metabolic enhancer prior to working out seems useless to me. Mainly due to the fact that you're burning calories while working out w/o the use of a fat burner. The main objective for a metabolic enhancer (clen or an ECA stack) would be to stimulate your body's metabolism during times when you're inactive, therefore resulting in more calories being burned.

    I've just never heard of or seen anyone structure their clen or ECA dosages just prior to working out. I've never taken anything to boost my metabolism, so please forgive me if I'm way off on this topic.

    i totally agree with this guy, the ECA is for enegery and that is why u take one dosing prior to a workout and the other dosing in the morning and maybe a thrid dosing before your evening dinner....it is a thermogenic and stimulator which increased body temp and heart rate which in turns increases ur metobolic rate which in turn burns more fat....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mavsluva
    Yes, please explain.

    Taking a metabolic enhancer prior to working out seems useless to me. Mainly due to the fact that you're burning calories while working out w/o the use of a fat burner. The main objective for a metabolic enhancer (clen or an ECA stack) would be to stimulate your body's metabolism during times when you're inactive, therefore resulting in more calories being burned.

    I've just never heard of or seen anyone structure their clen or ECA dosages just prior to working out. I've never taken anything to boost my metabolism, so please forgive me if I'm way off on this topic.

    i totally agree with this guy, the ECA is for enegery and that is why u take one dosing prior to a workout and the other dosing in the morning and maybe a thrid dosing before your evening dinner....it is a thermogenic and stimulator which increased body temp and heart rate which in turns increases ur metobolic rate which in turn burns more fat....

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    I took it guys an hour before my workout.. I goota tell you, I felt fvckin drowsy the first 30 minutes of my workout then after that it seems to be working making me focusing so I think it should be takin 1.5 - 2 hours before training ( may be that's just me ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackWidow
    PerfectBeast... I like your replies and the most thing I like about them is how the're relly fast...

    Thanks man...

    yea, that's because he has no time in the gym... and he's fast at sex so he can be here more...

    jk...

    good advice, do that for 2 weeks, then clen for 2 weeks..

    that's the ticket..
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    To Dany Dice and Malsalva,

    Caffiene works on the sympathetic nervous system very rapidly since it is a highly fat soluble substance and enters the brain quickly. Its normal absorbtion rate along with ephedra is about 30 minutes. When both these compounds are introduced into the body they are very rapidly broken down to suppress there effect. In order for the body to suppress these effectively they also block the action of these two drugs. Since the halflife of each compound is relatively short ( dont know the exact rate) they stay in the body for short amounts of time. Ephedra mimics Epinephrine (N) and Norepinephrine (NP). Normally these two catecholamines have a minute to minute effect meaning they can very quickly be regulated to either be released or to have the action stopped. Part of this action to stop is for the compounded to be phosphorylated rendering it inactive. The other part is for the cell receptors to be blocked or stop binding these compounds all together by either the channels intrinsic to the receptors being altered or the actually enzymatic activeties of the receptor being retarded. Caffiene works on the part of the Sympathetic nervous system that is reponsible for controlling the adrenal medulla to release catecholamines. If this is in your body and lets say that after two hours of circulation in the body that they are no longer producing the same effect. Its safe to assume when you go and workout, that your overstimulated nervous system is going to be declining its activity. Its also easy to imagine that all the same regulatory processes are in full swing. So when you try to exercise the normal neural input that tells your body to speed up has already peaked and is now trying to recover and return to baseline. This means that the sympathetic nervous system (SNS) is no longer able to elicit the same response as it would if no drug was present or if it was just begining to take effect. The reason this makes since is that if you start exercise just as your starting to have active compounds in the body. It augments the already enhancement metabolic state that the body is in. Remember that when you exercise that N and NP are being released by the adrenal glands from input from the SNS. Simple this is if you hit the gym while the drugs are on the way up it will be much more effective than when the drugs have peaked and are now being metabolized and your parasympathetic nervous system is trying to put the brakes on this over excited system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mavsluva
    Yes, please explain.

    Taking a metabolic enhancer prior to working out seems useless to me. Mainly due to the fact that you're burning calories while working out w/o the use of a fat burner. The main objective for a metabolic enhancer (clen or an ECA stack) would be to stimulate your body's metabolism during times when you're inactive, therefore resulting in more calories being burned.

    I've just never heard of or seen anyone structure their clen or ECA dosages just prior to working out. I've never taken anything to boost my metabolism, so please forgive me if I'm way off on this topic.
    Metabolic enhancers are great for athletes and weight lifters. I would take ECA before I would pitch. I would be so pumped up from it I would throw 3-5 mph faster on my fastball when I was on it. There is some research that also says that ECA increases mental focus. But I would think there would be a very fine line between increasing metabolism and just being way to overstimulated. I cant speak for that because that is not an aspect of ECA that I have ever really looked at in-depth.

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    This is all cool, but WTF do I get ephedrine? ASN doesnt seem to carry it anymore. I used to get vasopro but no where to be seen!

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    do a googe search for vasopro bro, you can find it tons of places to purchase it

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    Quote Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001
    it will help you with workout. Take some caffieine and aspirin with it too to get really good fat burning affects. 200mg caff and 15mg aspirin should do the trick. Be aware that ECA becomes ineffective after a couple of weeks so you will need to have a 2 weeks on 2 off protocol similar to that of clen.
    yup, clen for 2 weeks, EAC for 2 weeks

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    it will help but side effects generally accrue past the 50 mgs daily mark

    a generalization to be sure, but a good one

    also not a fan of Pre Cardio E usage as it artificially inflates heart rate

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