No xplode or No shotgun with cellmass or Vitargo CGL

[Anti]

I need to get a pre WO and post WO supplement and from what I have found on these boards is that its either No xplode or No shotgun for pre WO and cellmass or Vitargo CGL for post.

From the post I was able to find most people seem to favor noshotgun and VCGL over the xplode and cellmass

I was wondering if their were any recent findings that I have yet to hear about that would say different?

[UpstateTank]

I need to get a pre WO and post WO supplement and from what I have found on these boards is that its either No xplode or No shotgun for pre WO and cellmass or Vitargo CGL for post.

From the post I was able to find most people seem to favor noshotgun and VCGL over the xplode and cellmass

I was wondering if their were any recent findings that I have yet to hear about that would say different?

Preworkout...
I dont think anything is going to touch No Shotgun...for me NO explode did give better energy/focus but No Shotgun gave damn near retarded pumps...not to mention you're getting a full dose of arginine, creatine, bcaa's and glutamine

Ive never used vitagro cgl, but i have had good results w/ cellmass & gaspari sizeon

[BladesOfBlood]

Vitargo CGL works great for strength and energy for pre WO IMO. NO Explode works awesome for about 3 weeks for me and then tapers off. Cell Mass is great: get ready for stretch marks. Never tried NO Shotgun.

[CSAR]

I'm not sure if more AR members actually prefer NO Shotgun and Vitargo CGL or not. It might be a case of me pimping these two, 'cause I damn sure know I love them.

I honestly don't think there's a better pre WO supp than NO Shotgun. If the energy/focus isn't enough for you, I've heard combining it with Ergopharm AMP does the trick. For me, (6', 210) it gives me all the energy/focus I need and like Upstate says, the pumps are absolutely the shiznit. I been on this for over a month and it STILL kicks my ass.

As for Vitargo CGL, you can actually make your own for cheaper. Just buy some bulk waxy maize starch, some creatine monohydrate, and you can use Crystal Light w/ Splenda or check out Black Star Labs (BSL) Flavouring systems. It's real easy to make.

For my post WO supp, I'm using my homemade waxy maize/creatine/BSL orange cream mix with two scoops of ON 100% Whey vanilla. Ever had a Dreamsicle? That's exactly what it tastes like and it's a real money saver too.

[UpstateTank]

I'm not sure if more AR members actually prefer NO Shotgun and Vitargo CGL or not. It might be a case of me pimping these two, 'cause I damn sure know I love them.

I honestly don't think there's a better pre WO supp than NO Shotgun. If the energy/focus isn't enough for you, I've heard combining it with Ergopharm AMP does the trick. For me, (6', 210) it gives me all the energy/focus I need and like Upstate says, the pumps are absolutely the shiznit. I been on this for over a month and it STILL kicks my ass.

As for Vitargo CGL, you can actually make your own for cheaper. Just buy some bulk waxy maize starch, some creatine monohydrate, and you can use Crystal Light w/ Splenda or check out Black Star Labs (BSL) Flavouring systems. It's real easy to make.

For my post WO supp, I'm using my homemade waxy maize/creatine/BSL orange cream mix with two scoops of ON 100% Whey vanilla. Ever had a Dreamsicle? That's exactly what it tastes like and it's a real money saver too.

its fun!

[Anti]

THanks for all the help and great info bros!

Not sure if I could make my own or get everything that would be needed to make VCGL. I would feel it would just be like every other creatine product if I made it...lol

I will post my stats tomorrow and what I want to gain from this...I actually wrote a long reply but it all got lost SOMEHOE...aggh!! its to late for me to be typing and thinking lol..but once again thanks for all the info...much appeciated!

[l2elapse]

i cant find waxy maize starch anywhere, where could i buy some? and is there any in a local grocery store/whole foods store?

[the hulkster]

personally, i don't think it is worth $50+ dollars, I like all the vitamins that it is loaded with, but as far as energy I never felt a damn thing, I think I would prolly have to carry around a NO gas tank with me, I was even taking 3 scoops pre workout, pumps didn't really improve, I actually see more vascularity after taking 1/2 of and 81mg aspirin and a little niacin, my pumps are much more when I am taking a creatine supplement.

[UpstateTank]

personally, i don't think it is worth $50+ dollars, I like all the vitamins that it is loaded with, but as far as energy I never felt a damn thing, I think I would prolly have to carry around a NO gas tank with me, I was even taking 3 scoops pre workout, pumps didn't really improve, I actually see more vascularity after taking 1/2 of and 81mg aspirin and a little niacin, my pumps are much more when I am taking a creatine supplement.

was this w/ no explode or no shotgun?

[MFT81]

Im thinking about this stack.

No shotgun

amp

Myogenx

and CSAR's homemade vitargo recipe.

This is all based on the threads from CSAR and the sticky on myogenx for pct.

[Anti]

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Originally Posted by the hulkster
personally, i don't think it is worth $50+ dollars, I like all the vitamins that it is loaded with, but as far as energy I never felt a damn thing, I think I would prolly have to carry around a NO gas tank with me, I was even taking 3 scoops pre workout, pumps didn't really improve, I actually see more vascularity after taking 1/2 of and 81mg aspirin and a little niacin, my pumps are much more when I am taking a creatine supplement.

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was this w/ no explode or no shotgun?




bump!!!

[Anti]

So I think im going to go with the no shotgun and then the cellmass sence it is on sale at my gnc right now and run the cellmass until im out... I want to stay on something for 12 weeks so when im out of the cellmass I will start up with the Vitargo CGL right away and see if I notice any difference.

Though I would really like to know what the hulk was talking about when he said it was not worth 50$!!! That could change everything..agghh!!!

[CSAR]

i cant find waxy maize starch anywhere, where could i buy some? and is there any in a local grocery store/whole foods store?

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[CSAR]

personally, i don't think it is worth $50+ dollars, I like all the vitamins that it is loaded with, but as far as energy I never felt a damn thing, I think I would prolly have to carry around a NO gas tank with me, I was even taking 3 scoops pre workout, pumps didn't really improve, I actually see more vascularity after taking 1/2 of and 81mg aspirin and a little niacin, my pumps are much more when I am taking a creatine supplement.

Bizump for more info. Sounds like you were taking 3 scoops of NO Xplode as the serving size is 1-3 scoops depending on tolerance, but not sure about this.

[CSAR]

So I think im going to go with the no shotgun and then the cellmass sence it is on sale at my gnc right now and run the cellmass until im out... I want to stay on something for 12 weeks so when im out of the cellmass I will start up with the Vitargo CGL right away and see if I notice any difference.

Though I would really like to know what the hulk was talking about when he said it was not worth 50$!!! That could change everything..agghh!!!

Are you going to use a whey protein supp along with your Cellmass? Ideally, you want to be taking in both carbs and an easily digested protein post WO. You can probably buy some bulk unflavored whey to mix with Cellmass, but I don't know how that would taste.

[CSAR]

Im thinking about this stack.

No shotgun

amp

Myogenx

and CSAR's homemade vitargo recipe.

This is all based on the threads from CSAR and the sticky on myogenx for pct.

I certainly hope it works for you, otherwise I'll be in the AR doghouse...
Good luck bro!!

[Anti]

Originally Posted by Anti
So I think im going to go with the no shotgun and then the cellmass sence it is on sale at my gnc right now and run the cellmass until im out... I want to stay on something for 12 weeks so when im out of the cellmass I will start up with the Vitargo CGL right away and see if I notice any difference.

Though I would really like to know what the hulk was talking about when he said it was not worth 50$!!! That could change everything..agghh!!!

Are you going to use a whey protein supp along with your Cellmass? Ideally, you want to be taking in both carbs and an easily digested protein post WO. You can probably buy some bulk unflavored whey to mix with Cellmass, but I don't know how that would taste.
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I have some old myoplex on hand that I think is still good and of course eating as much clean food as I can afford to.
I am at 160 at 5-11 and with this im hoping to get back to where I was when I last stayed on a routine (a long time ago) to about 170
At my weight I think I will be getting just the right amount of protien needed..actually im taking the min but my body really does not do well when taking in alot of anything...probably going to take me about a week just getting use to the supps.
oh if I could only use gear and not have to worry about my balding id be eating like a mad man im sure. If I remember right from my days of looking up info on gear its EQ that really helps you absorb more food into your system...ehh thats another topic lol

Again any advice is always appreciated!!!

[the hulkster]

was this w/ no explode or no shotgun?

xplode, and the $50 was how much it was when I got it, about 6-7 mnths ago.

[UpstateTank]

xplode, and the $50 was how much it was when I got it, about 6-7 mnths ago.

ohhh yea i can see where you're coming from in saying that its a waste of $$ then

the noshotgun can be had for about $20 cheaper

so whenever you have a spare $30 layin around give it a shot!

[Anti]

Just ordered my no shotgun from massnutrition for 35$ including shipping...cant wait till it gets here!!! About to go pick up the cellmass tonight or tomorrow morning.

[Sepsis]

im going to stray from the general consensus here and say this: after having tried NO Shotgun and NO Xplode, i feel there is a better NO product out there. Syntrax makes this stuff and not many people know about it. it is called SwoleN by syntrax and it has given me far better and harder pumps than either of the other two. post workout is def vitargo CGL, but if you feel like taking the chance try SwoleN. it can be had for less than $30 if searched properly!

[CSAR]

im going to stray from the general consensus here and say this: after having tried NO Shotgun and NO Xplode, i feel there is a better NO product out there. Syntrax makes this stuff and not many people know about it. it is called SwoleN by syntrax and it has given me far better and harder pumps than either of the other two. post workout is def vitargo CGL, but if you feel like taking the chance try SwoleN. it can be had for less than $30 if searched properly!

That's good info Sepsis. My NO Shotgun will last me another two months, so after that I'll give Syntrax a try. Cheers and thanks again for sharing!!

[Anti]

Got my cellmass and started taking it....shotgun will prolly get hhere in a week...I hope!

So I take it as directed with about 5 ounces of water...I normally drink water throught the day so when I took in the cellmass with the water, I pissed like 10 min later and felt like all the creatine was going down the drain!!!
Should I try taking it with less water initially and take in more water throughout the rest of the day? or does the creatine really get absorbed that fast before I piss out all that water?

[UpstateTank]

im going to stray from the general consensus here and say this: after having tried NO Shotgun and NO Xplode, i feel there is a better NO product out there. Syntrax makes this stuff and not many people know about it. it is called SwoleN by syntrax and it has given me far better and harder pumps than either of the other two. post workout is def vitargo CGL, but if you feel like taking the chance try SwoleN. it can be had for less than $30 if searched properly!

how dare you go against noshotgun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
















that stuff looks pretty good sepsis!

[Anti]

Got my cellmass and started taking it....shotgun will prolly get hhere in a week...I hope!

So I take it as directed with about 5 ounces of water...I normally drink water throught the day so when I took in the cellmass with the water, I pissed like 10 min later and felt like all the creatine was going down the drain!!!
Should I try taking it with less water initially and take in more water throughout the rest of the day? or does the creatine really get absorbed that fast before I piss out all that water?
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BUMP!!!

[Panzerfaust]

To each their own when it comes to stacking AMP & NO Shotgun. I did that last night and felt kinda ill..i almost left the gym on two occasions but i sucked it up and pulled through it.

Maybe taking them far apart might not be a bad idea? I took 4 AMP's around35min before NO Shotgun. I might try it again, then again it could have just been the stressful day i had?

[UpstateTank]

Got my cellmass and started taking it....shotgun will prolly get hhere in a week...I hope!

So I take it as directed with about 5 ounces of water...I normally drink water throught the day so when I took in the cellmass with the water, I pissed like 10 min later and felt like all the creatine was going down the drain!!!
Should I try taking it with less water initially and take in more water throughout the rest of the day? or does the creatine really get absorbed that fast before I piss out all that water?

nah you're not gonna pee it out and def dont cut back on drinking water

[UpstateTank]

To each their own when it comes to stacking AMP & NO Shotgun. I did that last night and felt kinda ill..i almost left the gym on two occasions but i sucked it up and pulled through it.

Maybe taking them far apart might not be a bad idea? I took 4 AMP's around35min before NO Shotgun. I might try it again, then again it could have just been the stressful day i had?

thats how long I usually wait...maybe try 45 this time?

[Anti]

Finally...my No shotgun should be here in the morning
Can not wait to try this stuff out after all the hyp!

[Anti]

Hey bros, I need some advice.
I take the no shotgun 30 in before I WO and I usually work out late in the day. I was wondering when I should take my cellmass if it be better to take it late at night before I go to bed or right when I wake up in the morning instead of taking it right after I WO. Would this be better to keep creatine levels more even throught the day rather than taking it all in right before I WO and right afterwords?

Any help would be great!

[BITTAPART2]

why take the vitargo cgl post workout, i understand the carbs but the creatine? should creatine be taken b4 a workout?

[Anti]

Right now im taking the NOshotgun before WO and cellmass after. I dont have vitargo cgl but im going to try it once im out of cellmass and im also going to try the SwoleN by syntrax after my shotgun is gone.

What I was wondering is since im getting a full dose of creatine in the NOshotgun if I should hold off a on taking the cellmass after I work out...say around 6 hours?