#12's SD and PP log

**number twelve** · 03-19-2007, 04:25 PM

yeaaa kidd as some of you may know already, me and k. biz are planning on running a sd and pp cycle at the same time. so i figured i would take a minute to get my thread started and get any feedback from you guys.

as with my sd cycle, my main goal is strength. if i can duplicate my sd cycle results i would be more than pleased.

my current stats are:
5'10"
190 lbs

my current lifts are:
BB bench: 365
Squat: 425
deadlift: 495

in all honesty i would like to stay under 205 lbs. my diet is in check. i eat about 7 whole meals a day and then a cytogainer shake (2 scoops b4 and after lifting)

my goals are:
BB bench: 405
Squat: 475
deadlift: 545

before i go any further i want to thank Sock, DemonInside, upstatetank, K.Biz, and everyone else who has helped me out.

My cycle will be as follows:

Week/pp/sd
1/ 20mg/ 0mg
2/ 30/ 0
3/ 20/ 20
4/ 20/ 20
5/ 0/ 30

ill adjust the dosing and the duration according to how my feels and how shut down i feel. i will also be taking myogenx and a small amount of creatine while on.

My supporting supps will be:
3 g flax
1500mg milk thistle
1000 mg ff niacin
Hawthorne berry: 1500mg ed
RYR: 1200mg
CoQ10: 120mg 1 week prior &1st & first 2 weeks pct

i bought my pct supps from lion, they are:
clomid weeks 1-2 100mg ed
2-4 70 mg ed
liquidex 4 weeks 25 mg ed
im also gonna take myogenx

i really enjoyed keeping a log last time, so i hope this one goes as well.

any questions or comments feel free to sound off.
the party starts april 14th!

-12

**D-Bo Dre** · 03-19-2007, 04:47 PM

Didnt you just recently finish PCT for SD? And from what I've heard time on should = time off.. especially with orals.. true false??

might want to check into that..

**number twelve** · 03-19-2007, 04:58 PM

definately true.
my sd cycle ended around feb 17 and my pct ended in the begining of march. i dont plan on starting this next one until april 14th. i was just laying out everything.

**UpstateTank** · 03-19-2007, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by number twelve

yeaaa kidd as some of you may know already, me and k. biz are planning on running a sd and pp cycle at the same time. so i figured i would take a minute to get my thread started and get any feedback from you guys.

as with my sd cycle, my main goal is strength. if i can duplicate my sd cycle results i would be more than pleased.

my current stats are:
5'10"
190 lbs

my current lifts are:
BB bench: 365
Squat: 425
deadlift: 495

in all honesty i would like to stay under 205 lbs. my diet is in check. i eat about 7 whole meals a day and then a cytogainer shake (2 scoops b4 and after lifting)

my goals are:
BB bench: 405
Squat: 475
deadlift: 545

before i go any further i want to thank Sock, DemonInside, upstatetank, K.Biz, and everyone else who has helped me out.

My cycle will be as follows:

Week/pp/sd
1/ 20mg/ 0mg
2/ 30/ 0
3/ 20/ 20
4/ 20/ 20
5/ 0/ 30

ill adjust the dosing and the duration according to how my feels and how shut down i feel. i will also be taking myogenx and a small amount of creatine while on.

My supporting supps will be:
3 g flax
1500mg milk thistle
1000 mg ff niacin
Hawthorne berry: 1500mg ed
RYR: 1200mg
CoQ10: 120mg 1 week prior &1st & first 2 weeks pct

i bought my pct supps from lion, they are:
clomid weeks 1-2 100mg ed
2-4 70 mg ed
liquidex 4 weeks 25 mg ed
im also gonna take myogenx

i really enjoyed keeping a log last time, so i hope this one goes as well.

any questions or comments feel free to sound off.
the party starts april 14th!

-12

awwwwwwww you guys are so CUTE

looks good bro...cant WAIT!

**K.Biz** · 03-19-2007, 05:35 PM

Hell yeah. this is gonna be sweet. im gonna try to start my cycle if i can. seeing this thread makes me want to start it tomorrow haha.

upstate's just jelous

**UpstateTank** · 03-19-2007, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by K.Biz

Hell yeah. this is gonna be sweet. im gonna try to start my cycle if i can. seeing this thread makes me want to start it tomorrow haha.

upstate's just jelous

i WANNA play

**number twelve** · 03-19-2007, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by UpstateTank

i WANNA play

we would make a cute anabolic tripod...

**K.Biz** · 03-19-2007, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by number twelve

we would make a cute anabolic tripod...

**UpstateTank** · 03-19-2007, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by number twelve

we would make a cute anabolic tripod...

OMG ROFLMAO

uber-ghey 12!

**JTsLearning** · 03-20-2007, 11:47 AM

Been lurking for a while, finally signed up. Watched your other log and was very impressed with your gains. People talk about the gains not being there the second time around so ill be watching this log closely to see how it turns out. Good Luck Bro.

**number twelve** · 03-20-2007, 03:40 PM

welcome to the board brother.
i have read the same thing about sd, hopefully the PP will help me with the gains.

**number twelve** · 04-10-2007, 08:56 AM

ugh only 12 posts! there is no chance i come back k. biz haha

here ya go lanky. i pretty much kept everything. i got stronger through pct and still am getting stronger

**JROKK26** · 04-10-2007, 09:39 AM

Good Luck Bro. Only 3 more days and a wakeup

**nyjetsfan86** · 04-10-2007, 11:22 AM

good luck number twelve gonna be huge after this cycle the sd prob wont work as good as it did last time but the pp is gonna be sick, wont be as clean of gains as the sd though

p.s. hopefully you will get bigger than me finally haha jkjk

**K.Biz** · 04-10-2007, 12:16 PM

15 posts pssstt u cant touch my thread!

your bb bench goal is 405? screw you, mines 300

in your after pics u gotta rock that chain in your avy

**number twelve** · 04-10-2007, 01:35 PM

would you like me to rock the speedo as well???

i know jetsfan would

**nyjetsfan86** · 04-10-2007, 02:41 PM

hold on wait i thought that was you in your avy number twelve.....are you telling me its not?????

**K.Biz** · 04-10-2007, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by number twelve

would you like me to rock the speedo as well???

i know jetsfan would

**lanky** · 04-10-2007, 04:56 PM

you kept everything wow thats an accomplishment, i forget did u run the actual superdrol or a clone?

**number twelve** · 04-10-2007, 07:50 PM

a clone. for this upcoming one im gonna do the original tho

**nyjetsfan86** · 04-10-2007, 10:26 PM

who cares original/clone doesnt matter same chemical

**mg316** · 04-10-2007, 11:02 PM

Good luck with the cycles fellas, I'll be watching both of your logs.

**nyjetsfan86** · 04-10-2007, 11:50 PM

imo i liked superdrol more then i liked pp, better gains maybe ill try both together eventually like you number tweleve.....youre so inspirational

**gotjuice?** · 04-11-2007, 08:47 AM

i am gonna sound like a retard but what is PP....and what is coq10 ??? need to know as i am about to start my own sd cycle. i do have everything you guys mention to help with my cycle , just not sure what those 2 things are......thanks

**UpstateTank** · 04-11-2007, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by gotjuice?

i am gonna sound like a retard but what is PP....and what is coq10 ??? need to know as i am about to start my own sd cycle. i do have everything you guys mention to help with my cycle , just not sure what those 2 things are......thanks

PP is phera plex...another mehtylated otc oral roid

CoQ10 is CoEnzyme Q-10...it helps maintain a healthy heart!

**K.Biz** · 04-11-2007, 03:43 PM

CoQ10 rocks. but its so damn expensive.

**number twelve** · 04-11-2007, 04:40 PM

f i t n e s s o n e .com <- real good deal on coq10

**number twelve** · 04-11-2007, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by nyjetsfan86

imo i liked superdrol more then i liked pp, better gains maybe ill try both together eventually like you number tweleve.....youre so inspirational

k. biz deserves some credit too!

**K.Biz** · 04-11-2007, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by number twelve

k. biz deserves some credit too!

hahaha thank you

also twelve you soooo dreamy

**JROKK26** · 04-13-2007, 02:39 PM

Tomorrow's the big day, right? Good luck sleeping tonight

**number twelve** · 04-13-2007, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by K.Biz

hahaha thank you

also twelve you soooo dreamy

oh ssstoppp

**number twelve** · 04-13-2007, 02:56 PM

fvck this is starting tomorrow?? i gotta ask k biz if he is ready, i wouldnt start without my boo.

i started my support supps 2 days ago.

**number twelve** · 04-14-2007, 11:08 AM

i took my first PP this morning upon waking

here we goooooooo
not lifting today, i remember another member saying that he liked to start new supps on off days just to see how his body reacts, i thought that was a pretty good idea so im doing the same. ill state my back workout from yesterday so u can see where im at.

Back

Wide grip weighted chins
2 sets body weight / 5 (warmup)
1 plate / 6
2 plates / 4 ss body weight going slow as shit on the way down for 8

bent over BB rows
135 x 10
225 x 10
315 x 3
225 x 8

deadlifts
135 x 5
225 x 5
315 x 5
405 x 4 <- was already burned out

315 x 9

close grip t bar rows
(# plates x reps)
2 x 10
3 x 10
4 x 10 ss with 3 x 10 then 2 x 10

1 set of lightweight pull downs squeezing real hard
1 set of close grip cable rows squeezing real hard

im pretty effed up today so i dont mind the off day haha

-12

**Mogamedogz** · 04-14-2007, 12:49 PM

Im "not" (sorry typo) an OTC Oral user, but im gonna keep a watch on your cycle. im interested to see how you make out.

BTW- What is the expected benifit of stacking the PP with the SD? What (specifically) role does PP play in the stack?

**number twelve** · 04-14-2007, 12:56 PM

i dont know how well this will answer your question but from what i know, pp has much more androgenic properties than sd. so as long as im not prone to hairloss or anything like that, i will feel the positive effects from the androgenic characteristics that sd cannot provide. also i have read that sd the 2nd time around isnt as effective. and there have been a few other guys on this forum that have stacked the 2 and had good results.
hope this helps. what orals have you used?
-12

**Mogamedogz** · 04-14-2007, 01:13 PM

Sorry man. I meant to say "not" a OTC oral user.

I have in the past... I used 19-nor (Stacked it with a bunch of different things), I have also used M1t/4-ad (still have some M1t actually). 1-ad.. ect.

I have never used SD or any of the other stuff that is out there now. TBH, im more curious about it for a friend of mine who refuses to "make the dive". I know he was ticked about not being able to get SD anymore. Not even sure if he knows about pp (and what the benefits of stacking it with SD are).

,---Wuz da bomb back in the day!

**number twelve** · 04-14-2007, 01:17 PM

ohh ok gotcha. yeh for some reason i can justify taking a pill but not sticking myself. if its his first time ever taking it, he'll be good with just sd. there are a few logs on this forum (including my own) that are very imformative. all the users had very good results