Epistane Product...less than 40% pure (Lab Tests)

[Property of Steroid.com]

Pic attached of Lab Report. Less than 40% of what it was supposed to contain.

[UpstateTank]

LOL busted!!!!


ppl were goin apeshit over **.com about this

[nyjetsfan86]

haha that sux someone just bought it and started using it in the SD vs Epistane thread

[Property of Steroid.com]

Never buy anything from that company, ever. I honestly can't imagine how they will outlast the year with all of the complaints they've had filed with the FDA.

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[donniebrasco]

^^^ what board was that?. pm me if needed, thanks.

[Property of Steroid.com]

^^^ what board was that?. pm me if needed, thanks.

Do not post other board names. banned me for saying bad stuff about the company who produces this product...they banned me for it, and all the while, the company they were defending were ripping people off. I was banned for TELLING THE TRUTH, it appears.

Here's what the owner of PM posted here on steroid .com about why I was banned:

You started bashing my sponsors. I don't care what personal issues you have with them, you don't start bashing them in the open. I asked you repeatedly to stop. You did not, so I banned you. You had a TON more leway compared to a regular member, but you just did not listen.

I was banned for bashing his sponsors, they were scamming people by producing a 60% underdosed product. Looks like they deserved to be bashed, doesn't it? And it looks like I was banned for...umm...telling the truth about his sponsors, not bashing them, huh?

I was asked to STOP TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT THEM and I refused, so I was banned. Cut and dry, and now it's been proven. I said they have shitty products, and I was right...and banned for it. That's why I'm credible and that board is not.

[Swifto]

Professional Muscle banned me for saying bad stuff about the company who produces this product...they banned me for it, and all the while, the company they were defending were ripping people off. I was banned for TELLING THE TRUTH, it appears.

This ***? Or **.com?

40%! Wow.

[nyjetsfan86]

a lot of things contain less than what they say they do i know a lot of vitamins are like that bc none of this is approved by the fda so theres nobody checking up on them

[Property of Steroid.com]

This ***? Or ***.com?

40%! Wow.

The Bayoo Boys...***....they had me banned from promuscle for talking about them...

**.com probably doesn't know who the **** I even am. They make literally tens of millions a year, and I'm sure that the hundreds of bottles of my product they sell don't even make me a blip on the radar.

[Swifto]

The Bayoo Boys...I-B-E....they had me banned from promuscle for talking about them...

**.com probably doesn't know who the **** I even am. They make literally tens of millions a year, and I'm sure that the hundreds of bottles of my product they sell don't even make me a blip on the radar.

Never bought any of their products.

**.com are massive. Didnt they just sign with Weider or something...

Someone's got to say it...Can this Lab Test be verified Anthony?

[Property of Steroid.com]

Never bought any of their products.

BB.com are massive. Didnt they just sign with Weider or something...

Someone's got to say it...Can this Lab Test be verified Anthony?

Yes. Just call the number. Even the COC (Chain of Custody) is on the test. 100% verifiable. The guy who did the test is the old owner of Bulk Nutrition (paid for it)...you'll note that at no point was the bottle in question in his posession, and he ordered it and had it sent straight to the lab. No tampering possible, total COC, and results...all verifiable.

[1Fast400]

I did the testing, it's all legit. There is a huge thread about it on **.com

[Swifto]

I did the testing, it's all legit. There is a huge thread about it on bb.com

Ok thanks.

[Property of Steroid.com]

Ok thanks.

If I'm reading it right...it may not even be Epistane....do I see the word "testosterone " in there?

[Property of Steroid.com]

I did the testing, it's all legit. There is a huge thread about it on bb.com

Hey, Mike. I put the lab results in my blog, like I said I was going to....my blog uses [img] code from here, to put them up though, because I can't put pics directly in. Hope you don't mind the pic going here first...I hadda do it to get it to show in my blog w/o eating my bandwidth.

[SVTMuscle*]

I've always been confused on *** and another company. *** is not the same as...let's say as an inn ovative company that does research chemicals are they?

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I've always been confused on *** and another company. Edited is not the same as...let's say as an inn ovative company that does research chemicals are they?

**************** is their company (full name)...the same dude owns both dog-shit companies...the chem one and the nutritional one. Inn0vative Nutrition and the other one are the same dude...Edward Barton.

[SVTMuscle*]

The company im referring to does not even sell epistane

[Property of Steroid.com]

The company im referring to does not even sell epistane

*** is Inn0vative also. Yes. They are the same people....the same exact people...they also own a nutritional company, Inn0vative Nutrition.

All the same dude. The answer is yes.

[violator1]

lol, they need to change the name from epistane to epistUPID !!!

[abstrack]

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No need to drag your dirty laundry onto this board. We have had enough of the drama already.

[donniebrasco]

^^^^ its interesting though, i was looking into ordering the product.

[Swifto]

I'd like to see ***'s take on this before making a decision on purchasing the product.

[Property of Steroid.com]

No need to drag your dirty laundry onto this board. We have had enough of the drama already.

It seems that my laundry is clean. I was banned elsewhere for bashing a company who is scamming people, it has now been proven.

[testisbest]

It seems that my laundry is clean. I was banned elsewhere for bashing a company who is scamming people, it has now been proven.

what about the sponser of this board and their products? I think that they would be considered a scam. Why don't you jump on them?

[IronAdam]

Anyone have a test of their clomid and nolva? It wouldn't surprise me if they were under dosed as well.

[SVTMuscle*]

i always thought their viagra/cialis was underdosed

[Brazil]

Im glad i can buy clomid, nolva and whatever else right from the pharmacy.... i was always skeptical bout this internet order stuff

[LuvMuhRoids]

ummmm... where are these complaints? You know who complained and how many?

Never buy anything from that company, ever. I honestly can't imagine how they will outlast the year with all of the complaints they've had filed with the FDA.

[LuvMuhRoids]

scamming? big words for a no proof accusation. Show test results that a company is scamming. Big A banned you for you. You were considered above a regular member so you must have really pushed your luck. What ever you did you went out of your bounds with that board as usual and got your self banned. They didnt tolerate you on a board full of real pro's and IFBB/NPC judges and competitors. I wonder why?

It seems that my laundry is clean. I was banned elsewhere for bashing a company who is scamming people, it has now been proven.

[LuvMuhRoids]

Come on now Roberts tell the truth now. Stop making stuff up. I'll explain what happened. Since mike wont step up and explain because he's the guy that pushed for the testing and went out of his way to try and hurt the company. No hidden agenda I suppose?

The product was compared to another substance testoterone because there is no standard to epistane. Turns out this may have caused a huge error. Like up to 30%. Also the extraction of the capsules might have caused up to a huge percentage of error. The 3.8 that the test yeilded is in great error and is being retested by the said lab.

One thing tests have shown thanks to another bb.com member is the Molecular Weight is 270 which proves the epistane is pure and what it is.



as quoted by kwyckemynd00 on BB.com

Okay. Here is the skinny, and a recap.

Epistane
Molecular Weight 320
- Forgive me for saying 321 before; I added it up and its 320. Organic compounds do not have molecular weights of odd numbers unless there is an odd number of Nitrogens present, period. When you add the MW you do not include averaged masses like you see on the periodic table.

Volatile Functional Groups in epistane:
- An alcohol
- An epithio

Alcohol leaving during MS:
For reasons that don't need explanation, alcohol is volatile and quickly leaves during MS. That means, it readily leaves the parent molecule it is a substituent of.

Tertiary alcohols, like Epistane, actually leave find during MS because 1) the added electron density from the extra carbons allows it to do so, and
2) a tertiary carbocation is a very stable carbocation.

Okay, so here it goes:

The Molecular Weight (MW) of epistane is 320. During GC/MS volatile functional groups like thoils, epithios, alcohols, epoxides, etc come off of the parent molecule. This gives us a different molecular ion (M+) in the mass spec than what we'd expect.

The M+ we recieved was 270 from the lab results, thanks MM.

If you subtract the molecular weight of these two volatile substances, plus the hydrogen they would have taken with them, you get this:

Epistane = 320
Alcohol = 17
Hydrogen = 1
Sulfur = 32

320 - 17 -1 - 32 = 270, the M+ we observed in the results.

Now, in order to make the number of 270 much more than a big coincidence, we need a good bit of evidence that sulfur is in that molecule.

Well, a very simple way to do this with pretty good accuracy given the compound we're dealing with and the data we have is needed. A good way to know we're heading in the right direction is to look for sulfur. How do we do this with what we have? LOOK AT THE MASS SPEC FOR A PEAK AT 32! I'm embarrassed to say I overlooked that yesterday.

So, you look at the mass spec. Tell me, do you see a peak at about 32? I do. And its in pretty high abundance, too.

Also, look at the peak around the 17-18 region. you can't get that peak with anything but water given the molecules in Epistane. The alcohol comes off, period.

O+H= 17
O+H+H=18

Closest anyone could get is 15 with CH3+ ion from a methyl fragment.

I took this to my professor / founding professor of my universities chem/biochem ***artments, who is a greater organic chemist than anybody in this industry could ever pretend to be with WAAAAAAY more experience in synthetic organic chemistry, not to mention results.

My professor / founding professor of the Chem ***artment of my school, Ph.D in Organic Chemistry (35 years active in synthetic Organic Chem synthesizing original compounds with immense complexity for great institutions, including post doc work at CalTech) also shot down the idea that a tertiary alcohol would be less likely to leave the molecule during mass spec. He said it was rubbish.

I showed him the compound, epistane, and the two M+ numbers (270 and 288) and didn't even hesitate to say that 270 would be the one he would expect to see because "that alcohol is coming off". He said it was an extremely volatile substance and he would expect that both the sulfur and the alcohol would come off to yield 270.

He also pointed out the (very obvious) fact that I should be looking for a peak in the mass spec at 32 for sulfur. What do you know, its there! (See attachment).

If I'm reading it right...it may not even be Epistane....do I see the word "testosterone" in there?

[LuvMuhRoids]

if one of the reseach products from ********** didnt work it might have been you. if not it might have been a bad batch. that company does have a resend and replace policy. you dont like your product they replace it. that doesnt sound like a scamming company to me. if they were scammers they would have tucked a tail between there legs and went a running long time ago. They have been in business for years and not going anywhere. Hardly would claim scammer

[Property of Steroid.com]

Yes. 4 posts, all of them defending the comnpany in question. You're clearly a part of the company, and you're fooling yourself if you think everyone here doesn't know it.

They've all been banned here already, so you had to sign up under anothe name....the hilarious thing is that you're actually trying to defend them when it's a bad LAB TEST! It's a F-ing lab test that said the product is garbage, and your defence is ummm...."bad test" or "Bad batch"

Members here aren't interested in excuses. Quit while you're (not) ahead.

Which rep are you, by the way...which company rep are you, posting under a different name, out of curiousity?

Their last company rep got caught lying here, in case you forgot.

[jdavis2007]

ha-ha...I think that is a total of 2 busts in one thread...I love it...when will people ever learn if you ever want to actually be a BUSINESS provide an actual PRODUCT/SERVICE...not half of a product or a third of a product.

Eventually, because of morons, like the guys behind EPIsuck, the FDA will have to step in and regulate the supplement industry.

Good feed AR...and way to go Researcher...very subtle...ha-ha!

[Property of Steroid.com]

ummmm... where are these complaints? You know who complained and how many?

I know of two people (know them personally) who complained about Epistane to the FDA. They complained via mail (postal, not e-mail) to the FDA. One person is from Florida, and the other from Texas.

[jdavis2007]

All 4 posts from researcher are about this "wonder supplement" EPIsuck....like I "wonder" how much is in it?

They may actually have much bigger fish to fry if they are putting illegal steroids such as "testosterone " which it looks like in the report...

It looks like I need to continue to make all my supplements and not trust these ethical-less (and supplement-less) companies...

[Property of Steroid.com]

if one of the reseach products from ********** didnt work it might have been you. if not it might have been a bad batch. that company does have a resend and replace policy?

Note:

Pat Arnold (the father of prohormones, owner of ErgoPharm, BALCO CHemist who synthesized the "Clear" and the "Cream") ordered a batch of Epistane from your company, and tested it in his own lab. After the results were in, he asked for his money back several times, and received no reply, until he went public with his complaints on BB.com.

If you wont refund Pat Arnold, a major figure in the industry,without him going public, then what hope does the average supplement buyer have to get a refund?

[testisbest]

Never buy anything from that company, ever. I honestly can't imagine how they will outlast the year with all of the complaints they've had filed with the FDA.

I'd still like to know about your roid store. Since you are so worried about people getting scammed, from what I understand you are tied to that org. I'm not accusing but I'm curious. Not trying to start $hit as I do value your information but I see you are so motivated bash others for being dishonest.

[Property of Steroid.com]

I'd still like to know about your roid store. Since you are so worried about people getting scammed, from what I understand you are tied to that org. I'm not accusing but I'm curious. Not trying to start $hit as I do value your information but I see you are so motivated bash others for being dishonest.

You've been misinformed if you've been told that I own/operate the Roid Store.