M1, 4ADD and M-drol cycle.

[ImACrazyJewDaddy]

Am thinking of doing a 8 week cycle, Starting with the M1, 4ADD..then Tapering into a M-drol(superdrol). I know the M1, 4ADD is suppose to convert into Dianabol at 15% of the dosage, and the dose is 30 mg. Would it be wise to split the dosage up, or take all 2-3 caps an hour before workout. Wanted to do this to get a bit bulked first, then lean out with the Super. Thing is, am confused at to what can be used during the cycle, and for PCT to avoid Gyno related sides? LETRO during the whole thing, or just when on the M1, 4ADD. And for PCT, is aromasin ok if started on the last week on superdrol.? Ive read mixed reviews on what should be use during a progestin cycle because some chems can make it worse. Kinda of need a little clearing up.

***ending on your responses, ill decide on how to run it, if to run, and when to take the dosages.


New stats! 5'8" 164 11-13% bF

Flat BB: 225 1x
Box squ.: 380 x 3 I dont want to do too much weight on legs, Afraid of getting bad knees
PArr. squ: 245 x 6
Weighted dips: My weight, with 1 plate and a 35. X5
I dont know the rest. Ill find out within the next xouple days.

[Giants11]

Dude, please do not run this cycle. You are talking about taking 2 of the most toxic substances known to man in one cycle. You are asking for a ton of trouble.

[Shane35aa]

Giants is right as usual. It looks really risky to me, and 8 weeks would do a tremendous amount of damage. Yeah you might get big but yellow eyes are a turn off for the chicks

[Shane35aa]

If you are interested in running a cycle of orals do a search on here. There is alot of info to help you run one as safe as possible. Research will help you maxumize gains and keep you from messing yourself up. You only have one liver, and its not an optional organ. Good luck

[ImACrazyJewDaddy]

Cool, just what I was looking for..some input from those who know more shit than me. What about The M1`, 4ADD by itself. I know it would be pretty wet, but is it worth the trouble?

[ImACrazyJewDaddy]

Ive been on this board for 3 years now...All I do is research lol. I really wanted someone to help clear up some stuff on what really should be Ran as for PCT if you were to use Superdrol, because of it being a prgestin , mixed reviews have been posted aboiut what you should, and shouldnt runfor pct because it could make gybo symptoms worse...Thanks again though

[Shane35aa]

Are you talking about using Superdrol as PCT? If you are don't do it

[Giants11]

Honestly what can a Superdrol cycle not delivery. Superdrol IMO is less harsh than M1T and you won't feel nearly as bad.

Yes there are liver as well as lipid concerns still, but a 4 week cycle of Superdrol can add some serious mass. If I were you I would just run a 4 weeker of SD solo with proper supplementation for liver as well as lipid panel.

[ImACrazyJewDaddy]

LMAO!!!!!! Superdrol as PCT..you just insulted me!



Thanks Giants

[ImACrazyJewDaddy]

Quick Q about the M14ADD. That it converts to Dbol at 15%, can the Body only convert so much at one time?????

[Giants11]

Quick Q about the M14ADD. That it converts to Dbol at 15%, can the Body only convert so much at one time?????

I do not believe so, but at that conversion rate you need to literally take grams per day to notice any type of effect.

Again. I just just run a 4 week SD cycle and then follow with proper PCT etc..

[ImACrazyJewDaddy]

Ok , I found exactly what I was talking about. Progestin side effects, and that using nolva during pct could make gyno symptoms worse if your using PP or/ad SD. If im prone to gyno, should I use LETRO while on, and the Arimidex during pct? I also haveAnbolic xtremes PCT i was planning on using.

[CSAR]

That's too crazy a cycle to consider. I'm running M1T by itself at 20mg ED in conjunction with a shitload of vitamin/liver/cholesterol supps and even though my size/strength are going through the roof, I will NEVER use M1T again because the sides are unbelievable.

I'd run with Giant's SD cycle and see how that treats you --or-- just go with the sauce 'cause M1T, 4AD, and SD are most likely as legal or illegal (***ending where you are).

[ImACrazyJewDaddy]

I know. Im NOTTT running what I posted. Im reffereing to the SD..and just perhaps adding PP in the beginning. Like Kbiz's cycle.

[K.Biz]

I know. Im NOTTT running what I posted. Im reffereing to the SD..and just perhaps adding PP in the beginning. Like Kbiz's cycle.

As people have been saying... NO NEED to stack these products what so ever. Yes I did do it, for research purpose only, and if you read my log, it clearly states, "it is not worth stacking these to orals, the sides in many ways out weight the benefits". do you have any experience with any 'pro-hormonal' steroids? With this information I can determin the road for you to go down, and how long.

Seems like u have done some research but your still not getting the whole picture. SD CANNOT aromatise while on cycle, since it’s reduced at the 5th position, it cannot make estrogen. There is no need for an AI or SERM such as nolva. clomid, or letro. In theory only 0.001% can aromatize, and thats in theory, And even at this amount in 4 weeks there wouldnt even be inflimation of the nipples. As long as I have been around researching in pro-steroids, i have never, and probably will never see anyone get gyno while "on" cycle of SD.

I promise bro, if you listen to me, and the other bro's on this forum, YOU WILL GROW, beyond what you think you can, and you dont need to stack 3 or 4 orals for 8 weeks, but in reality run 1 oral for 3-4 weeks and get the same results.


K.biz

[ImACrazyJewDaddy]

Yea. As a big mistake, me and my Best Friend wanted to get Bigger, better stronger for hockey when we played in Highschool. 10th grade, my friends MOM bought him VPX 1-test, and I forked over 150$ for LMR Primotest and nadrotest. ****ING STUPID!! i remember posting this a couple years ago when their use to be a Hockey forum on here, and they said it really shouldnt have played a huge role in my genentic growth. I seem to differ.

[K.Biz]

Yea. As a big mistake, me and my Best Friend wanted to get Bigger, better stronger for hockey when we played in Highschool. 10th grade, my friends MOM bought him VPX 1-test, and I forked over 150$ for LMR Primotest and nadrotest. ****ING STUPID!! i remember posting this a couple years ago when their use to be a Hockey forum on here, and they said it really shouldnt have played a huge role in my genentic growth. I seem to differ.

did you guys run a proper PCT afterwards? orrr do you have gyno now because of it?

[ImACrazyJewDaddy]

I dont have gyno, and no..we had NO idea what we were doing...I do remember getting super sensite nips when hitting puberty, and goin to the hospital because i thought I had breast cancer. That was 6th grade when i was gettiong fat. BUt, i remmber not being able to get an erection for like 2.5 weeks after i stopped using that shit. I didnt know what i was doing back then of course like most teens are in a rush to get bigger.

[K.Biz]

Ok im going to write you up a cycle, with support supps & PCT. I dont usually do this, but you seem like someone who is willing to learn, and thats all i ask.. Now the begining of this cycle write up it will say to start at 20mg. But i want you to start the SD at only 10mg's for the first few days, make sure your body is reacting to it well, and there are no major side effects. After 2-3 days, If your feeling good an nothing seems to be going bad, bump it up to 20mg's ED and keep it at that for the duration of your cycle. Remeber when you start taking the SD @ 20mg ED, you want to split them 6 hours apart, keeping your body as anabolic as possible for 12 hours.

SD - 4 Week Cycle
Week 1 - 20mg
Week 2 - 20mg
Week 3 - 20mg
Week 4 - 20mg

Pre Loading Support Sups (Start A Week Before Cycle)
Milk Thistle - 500mg ED
Hawthorn Berry - 500mg ED
CoQ10 - 200 mg ED

During Cycle
Multi-Vitamin
1000mg milk thistle ED
1500mg hawthorn berry ED
1200mg red yeast rice ED
5G Of Flax Seed Oil
1000mg flush free niacin ED


PCT: 4 Weeks
Clomid: 105/70/70/35
Aromasin: 25/25/25/25

PCT Support: 4 weeks
CoQ10 - 200mg ED
500mg milk thistle ED
2-5g Of Flax ED


Also.
I want to see you post a full diet for me. first post it in the diet forum, those guys over there ar amazing and no there stuff, and can critique your diet perfectly. Then bring it in here and post it after its been perfected.

There is no point in running this if you dont have a proper diet, your gains will be minimal. but with a good diet the possibilties are really endless. I ganed 19 pounds off my first cycle. so a lot is possible!


Keep Us Updated,
K.biz

[ImACrazyJewDaddy]

AHA shit. LOL I had almost the same thing, only I had saw palmetto thrown in their as well. Thnks bro..Ive been working on my diet for the past couple days, when I have it all critiqued, then ill post it to be critiqued amongst the pros on here. I have Anabolic Xtremes PCT and retain. SHould I use them too, i have no other uses for them.?

[Bojangles69]

No dont use them, they are BOTH shit. Sell them on ebay.

[ImACrazyJewDaddy]

? ok....

As for K.biz. Im not going to do this just, ill wait and see how my diet works alone, and see how my gains are then, if/when a platue sets in, thats when ill begin the log. Thanks again.
Crazy

[K.Biz]

? ok....

As for K.biz. Im not going to do this just, ill wait and see how my diet works alone, and see how my gains are then, if/when a platue sets in, thats when ill begin the log. Thanks again.
Crazy

Its better that way bro. wait as long as possible, so when u do decide to take the plunge your body will react perfectly to it.

[ImACrazyJewDaddy]

Hey K, Does Clomid and Aromasin from AR.have to be stored in the fridge?

[K.Biz]

Hey K, Does Clomid and Aromasin from AR.have to be stored in the fridge?

I dont think so. i never did

[ImACrazyJewDaddy]

ok, one more thing lol. did you take everything at once in the morning, or spread out your clomid dosage.

[ImACrazyJewDaddy]

3rd week of my sd cycle is comming up on thursday, do I start Aromasin that day, or my very last day???