Thread: Best Creatine to take?
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06-19-2007, 06:55 PM #1
Best Creatine to take?
Hey guys, looking to pick up some more creatine and I was just wondering what you guys think is the best stuff to take.
Thanks for your input.
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06-19-2007, 07:46 PM #2
I like Creatine Surge by Jarrow. Contains creatine monohydrate 6g, glutamine2g, ribose 1g, and taurine 1g delivered in a base of 35 grams of dextrose. Also has vit C 500mg. Before and after workout. Taste great and you will have energy from the dextrose (glucose).
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06-19-2007, 07:47 PM #3
I use Creatine monohydrate by prolab
All good so far, I mix it with a little glass of coca cola..
ie. Jay Cutler boyy
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06-19-2007, 09:07 PM #4New Member
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CEE creatine
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06-20-2007, 08:28 AM #5Writer
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I take CEE in the form of AMP02. It's awesome for weight and strength gain.
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06-20-2007, 01:28 PM #6
I was reading up on CEE and it looks very good. Anyone else use it? what kind of gains did you see from it?
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06-20-2007, 02:13 PM #7
i take straight cee i can tell the difference when i'm on it...i take it over monohydrate becausei don't cramp up when i'm on it and i read that it obsorbs better
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06-20-2007, 02:18 PM #8
The latest research that I have just seen debunks CEE as well as Kre-alkyln, below......
Creatine ethyl ester rapidly degrades to creatinine in stomach acid
Child R1 and Tallon MJ2
1***artment of Life Sciences, Kingston University, Penrhyn Rd, Kingston-upon-Thames, United Kingdom. 2University of Northumbria, Sport Sciences, Northumbria University, Northumberland Building, Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom, [email protected]
Creatine ethyl ester (CEE) is a commercially available synthetic creatine that is now widely used in dietary supplements. It comprises of creatine with an ethyl group attached and this molecular configuration is reported to provide several advantages over creatine monohydrate (CM). The Medical Research Institute (CA, USA) claim that the CEE in their product (CE2) provides greater solubility in lipids, leading to improved absorption. Similarly San (San Corporation, CA, USA) claim that the CEE in their product (San CM2 Alpha) avoids the breakdown of creatine to creatinine in stomach acids. Ultimately it is claimed that CEE products provide greater absorption and efficacy than CM. To date, none of these claims have been evaluated by an in***endent, or university laboratory and no comparative data are available on CEE and CM.
This study assessed the availability of creatine from three commercial creatine products during degradation in acidic conditions similar to those that occur in the stomach. They comprised of two products containing CEE (San CM2 Alpha and CE2) and commercially available CM (Creapure?). An in***endent laboratory, using testing guidelines recommended by the United States Pharmacopeia (USP), performed the analysis. Each product was incubated in 900ml of pH 1 HCL at 37? 1oC and samples where drawn at 5, 30 and 120 minutes. Creatine availability was assessed by immediately assaying for free creatine, CEE and the creatine breakdown product creatinine, using HPLC (UV)
After 30 minutes incubation only 73% of the initial CEE present was available from CE2, while the amount of CEE available from San CM2 Alpha was even lower at only 62%. In contrast, more than 99% of the creatine remained available from the CM product. These reductions in CEE availability were accompanied by substantial creatinine formation, without the appearance of free creatine. After 120minutes incubation 72% of the CEE was available from CE2 with only 11% available from San CM2 Alpha, while more than 99% of the creatine remained available from CM.
CEE is claimed to provide several advantages over CM because of increased solubility and stability. In practice, the addition of the ethyl group to creatine actually reduces acid stability and accelerates its breakdown to creatinine. This substantially reduces creatine availability in its esterified form and as a consequence creatines such as San CM2 and CE2 are inferior to CM as a source of free creatine.
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Kre-alkalyn? supplementation has no beneficial effect on creatine-to-creatinine conversion rates.
Tallon MJ1 and Child R2
1University of Northumbria, Sport Sciences, Northumbria University, Northumberland Building, Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom, 2***artment of Life Sciences, Kingston University, Penrhyn Rd, Kingston-upon-Thames, United Kingdom. [email protected]
All American Pharmaceutical and Natural Foods Corp. (Billings, MT, USA) claim that Kre-alkalyn? (KA) a ?Buffered? creatine, is 100% stable in stomach acid and does not convert to creatinine. In contrast, they also claim that creatine monohydrate (CM) is highly pH labile with more than 90% of the creatine converting to the degradation product creatinine in stomach acids. To date, no in***endent or university laboratory has evaluated the stability of KA in stomach acids, assessed its possible conversion to creatinine, or made direct comparisons of acid stability with CM.
This study examined whether KA supplementation reduced the rate of creatine conversion to creatinine, relative to commercially available CM (Creapure?). Creatine products were analyzed by an in***endent commercial laboratory using testing guidelines recommended by the United States Pharmacopeia (USP). Each product was incubated in 900ml of pH 1 HCL at 37? 1oC and samples where drawn at 5, 30 and 120 minutes and immediately analyzed by HPLC (UV) for creatine and creatinine.
In contrast to the claims of All American Pharmaceutical and Natural Foods Corp., the rate of creatinine formation from CM was found to be less than 1% of the initial dose, demonstrating that CM is extremely stable under acidic conditions that replicate those of the stomach. This study also showed that KA supplementation actually resulted in 35% greater conversion of creatine to creatinine than CM. In conclusion the conversion of creatine to creatinine is not a limitation in the delivery of creatine from CM and KA is less stable than CM in the acid conditions of the stomach."without your word you're a shell of a man" - Tupac
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06-20-2007, 04:56 PM #9
deffenatley something to look into
Id most likely suggest creatine bonded with some other form such as creatine gluconate possibly.
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06-20-2007, 05:08 PM #10
I stick with mono from degussa. Studies have proved again and again that mono works. in fact it is the most widely studied supplement in history.
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06-20-2007, 08:04 PM #11Originally Posted by Giants11
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06-20-2007, 08:48 PM #12
creatine gains with me tend to leave once i stop using the creatine. the CEE study was surprising though, it seemed to be almost a fact that cee was better than monohydrate. surprised there havent been more CEE studies in the past couple years its been around.
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06-20-2007, 08:48 PM #13
syntrax swole v3, the only creatine that works for me. i thought cee was shit, but till now i just thought that i was a non responder or something.
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06-20-2007, 09:12 PM #14
Hey, This might pose as a dumb question but.. could you run NO Xplode with another Creatine product for better results?
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Originally Posted by slacker
Yes, NO Xplode is a pre-workout supp.
Your gonna need pure creatine for post workouts, and off days.
I suggest, along with PerfectBeast, Monohydrate. Its cheap, and proven over and over again that it works. I suggest Higher Power's Creatine Monohydrate.
Oh yeah, NO Xplode sux, for me at least.
For pre workout, go with the fan favorite...Amplify 02!!
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06-20-2007, 09:33 PM #16Originally Posted by Bryan2
if so...expensive
i wish they made it in BULK
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06-21-2007, 04:53 AM #17New Member
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I've had good results on Creakic. But it is pretty costly. The cheapist place I have found it is on www.ezpricematch.com Good luck in your quest for the perfect creatine.
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06-21-2007, 03:38 PM #18Junior Member
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I find the micronized creatine from Dymatize is pretty good, can find it pretty cheap too.
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06-21-2007, 04:47 PM #19Originally Posted by Giants11
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06-23-2007, 01:17 PM #20Originally Posted by Warrior82
How does one acquire such an experience as tasting a homeless dude's taint?
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06-26-2007, 06:53 PM #21
i used kre-alkalyn and i had decent gains with it. except it made me break out a bit.
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06-26-2007, 09:24 PM #22
Ive used Kre-Alkalyn, CEE, And mono. Thought I didnt respond to any of them besides the mono..and even at that I didnt notice much.
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