Thread: Pct!
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06-24-2007, 08:19 PM #1
Pct!
I am currently just starting a 3 week cycle of oxodrol 12..I was wondering what would be a solid PCT. Please help me. I wnat to keep my gains, libido, and have sides to an absolute minimum
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06-25-2007, 05:15 AM #2Writer
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MyoGenX + CyoGenX
( I assume you are looking for a supplement based PCT)
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06-25-2007, 08:13 AM #3Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts
Myogenx and Cyogenx are a good ADD-ON to your PCT but there are no studies written on these products that they will help with preventing gyno. will they help raise test? yes. Will they help lipids? yes.
but the fact they they "might" prevent gyno, is not enough reason to run this for only PCT. it helped my gyno, but also along letro. which is the strongest anti-e out there.
I recomend
clomid run at 100mg/70mg/70mg/30mg
Aromasin .25mg/.25mg/.25mg/.25mg
If you want to spend the extra money on Cyo & Myo be my guest as they are very good products, but they are definetly NOT good enough to run alone.
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06-25-2007, 08:24 AM #4Writer
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Originally Posted by K.Biz
Also...there's this fascination with pharmaceuticals, which I don't understand. The primary ingredients in some supps are way stronger than pharmaceuticals. The fact that they're "natural" isn't relevant, it just makes them legal.
Remember...using letro to get rid of Gyno...I was the first to put that idea and protocol on the 'net (yes, ever) and put out a study I found on it...so I'm not against letro..but I'm confidant Cyo will work as well, in most cases.
His criteria (no sides, etc..) make Cyo FAR superior as a choice than most pharmaceuticals. Look at the question again.
Also...you're reccomending an absurd PCT, even if Myo/Cyo wasn't good. Clomid and Aromasin???? 70mgs of clomid? What's that? A tab and 2/5ths of a tab?????
I don't care about the money; I don't need it. I think this idea works, and I also think that he was looking for supps, not pharmaceuticals.Last edited by Property of Steroid.com; 06-25-2007 at 08:28 AM.
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06-25-2007, 08:48 AM #5Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts
a PCT for a SD shoudl be an AI & Serm - not some brand new product that not to many people have tried and a test booster. you mine as well go tell the kid to take anabolix Xtremes rebound pill. its pretty much the same ludacris idea.
I AGREE that myo is a great add on to a pct, but dont start telling people that Cyo and Myo are sufficient enough.
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06-25-2007, 08:57 AM #6Writer
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I assumed he wanted a supplement/legal PCT, with only supplements. You know why? Because he's using a legal product for his "cycle". It's oral, highly suppressive, and toxic. It's dogshit. If I thought he wanted something illicit for PCT, i'd assume he wanted something illicit for his cycle, and my first thought would be to tell him a OD cycle is moronic unless you are using it because it's a legal supp and don't wanna break the law.
If we want to start at the beginning, and have me assume he wants a pharmaceutically based PCT, my first post would be:
That cycle sucks big cock. Forget it, get some test and shoot up. That "cycle" is mostly for pussies who don't want to break the law, want steroid-like results, and are willing to use a supplement that is more toxic than most steroids, more expensive for the results, and more suppressive.
But I didn't say that, because I assumed he wanted a legal/nutritional cycle and similar PCT. So I tailored my advice as such.
You weren't reccomending a proper PCT, by the way...you were reccomending one of the worst ones i've ever seen, ever. It's like you threw darts at names of research chems and picked the first two you hit.
Regardless of anything else, that's a miserable PCT for any kind of cycle.Last edited by Property of Steroid.com; 06-25-2007 at 09:06 AM.
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06-25-2007, 08:59 AM #7Writer
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Originally Posted by K.Biz
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06-25-2007, 09:10 AM #8Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts
and as for an open mind....? yes i must have once since i bought your product but on this topic my mind is closed. I am correct. bash my PCT if you like, but you better f*cking belive that mine is way better then yours.
Im not swifto. im not going to throw out all these studies and data. im here to tell you are wrong. and thats that.
when you know more on PCT then me about designer steroids or pro-hormones you let me know.
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06-25-2007, 09:15 AM #9Writer
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Originally Posted by K.Biz
Your PCT is not better than mine. Mine is a sticky in the PCT forum. It's the best out there, and more people have reported good results with it than yours. You're not "right" and I'm "wrong". C'mon now. (Nolv/Aromasin /VitE/HCG is my pct). The PCT I gave in this thread was ONLY nutritional supp advice, not what I would consider steroid-cycle PCT for someone looking for pharmaceutical advice. There's a difference.
Thank God.
You said my CYO helped with your gyno, then in this thread you said that it might not help with gyno. That's kind of weird...
In fact, it baffles me. It worked for you, you don't wanna hear about studies, but you also know that it won't work for him as well as your (random ass) PCT????
And remember, we have bloodwork here on Myo showing it increased test more than any other PCT (%-wise) we've ever seen!
If real-results, bloodwork, your own experience, and studies are off the table, what will convince you???Last edited by Property of Steroid.com; 06-25-2007 at 09:21 AM.
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06-25-2007, 09:25 AM #10Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts
Congrats! you have a pct sticky in the PCT forum. Heres a medal
so you wanna sticky battle huh? ok then go to the top of this forum where mine is specifically about SD (the question thats being asked), and then go to PCT.... go check.. ill wait.
By only giving your "nutritional supplement" advice, and say no one else responded to this thread. this kid would have gone along and ran what you told him. possibly f*cking himself up. corrrect? so dont give me this supplement / pharmecutical BS.Last edited by K.Biz; 06-25-2007 at 09:38 AM.
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06-25-2007, 09:35 AM #11Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts
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06-25-2007, 09:38 AM #12
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06-25-2007, 09:41 AM #13Writer
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Originally Posted by K.Biz
2. I have more stickies here than anyone ever will. Check the profiles forum, the IGF forum, the PCT forum, the EDU forum, etc.... I'll wait.
I think I have about 60-75 stickies (counting the profiles forum, which are all permanent threads), plus basically the entire main page.
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06-25-2007, 09:46 AM #14Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts
Im not trying to get more stickys then you anthony. i dont have that much free time on my hands. What I am trying to do is help people by showing them the proper way to end there cycle, you are showing them a half assed way thats going to make you money.
and dont give me this bull that "you dont need it". cause EVERYONE, even mr gates (richest man in the world if you didint know) is still striving for money. so stop acting like your some loaded dude who just writes articles for fun.
I appreciate your information and well as your sticky's. I even appreciate your products, but the fact that your still trying saying that your PCT of Cyo and Myo is better then mine is complete ludacris.
Show me somthing to back it up that cyo and myo are going to be better then my recomended PCT?
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06-25-2007, 09:52 AM #15Writer
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Originally Posted by K.Biz
I don't need the money. My bills, each month, are paid by royalties. I don't need more. I'm not greedy. I've got enough, and more than I have is still less than I need. This job is fun for me. Even this part.
Your PCT is just terrible, honestly. I can't see too many people ever using it and saying it's good. Myo (at the reccomended dose) can boost Test by 200% and Clomid only boosts it by 150%, and that's at a dose higher than you are reccomending. The Cyo ought to be better than the Aromasin alone too...hence I think the two together are better. All the relevant studies are already on this site.
And finally, I don't have that much "free" time on my hands either. I don't do this for free. You do.
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06-25-2007, 09:53 AM #16Writer
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Originally Posted by Swifto
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06-25-2007, 09:56 AM #17Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts
yungfaceb listen to anthony. he knows all , but when you get gyno and your nips start hurting, then you can go through the BS of running binos gyno guide. and dont be pissed when i say " i told you so"
Say my pct is shit, but countless people who havve run SD have run MY pct and guess what? it works. Your pct isnt even proven. you just need test dummies to see if it works or not.
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06-25-2007, 09:58 AM #18Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts
And as for Aromasin , many user's prefer using it for PCT. I've seen many state it works better for them than Arimidex , Letro. Personal experience and leaving medical studies aside.
And by the way...I can see why your asking your "curious" question.
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06-25-2007, 10:02 AM #19
okay
well the results (so far) are 2 to 1 in favor of Aromasin and Clomid. I already read K-biz's sticky on SD, and thats where I got the 3 week cycle idea from. I am not saying who is right or wrong. Just that If I choose either set of PCT it will probably be Aromasin and Clomid. And about taking a stupid ass cycle. Oh well if its stupid then let it be stupid damn. It aint got nothing to do with being legal, I beleive OD is banned now anyways, but I know a few workout buddies that have used it, they all had moderate to awesome results...nobody got gyno..nobody had liver problems..nobody had blood pressure or organ problems, and so I let the results think for themselves. The impresive strength and size increases speak much louder than any person on this forums typed word. And to be honest with you, they only took things for PCT such as 6-OXO, rebound XT, IDS Post Cycle Tabs, and Forza-T. Nobody took but one of those and all were okay. One of my buddies , just turned 18, about 150-160lbs took some for four weeks, 2 a day..and didnt runa PCT becuase he didnt know what one was. And yes,,his gains sucked ass becuase he didnt know what he was doing, he lost his libido for a whiel but within a few weeks later he had it back..he doesnt have gyno..and guess what..hes perfectly fine now a year or so later..like it never happened. The reason I am concerned about a legit PCT is because I want to do this as right as possible. Am I worried about getting gyno or liver problems? Not really. Just because I watched ppl younger and smaller than me take way to much and then use sloppy PCT and come out perfectly okay..they were fortunate. I just want my cycle to be as solid as possible from begining to PCT. So K-biz, what is the price range of running your PCT? and I'm only running a 3 week cycle. first week of 12mg, last two weeks of 24mg. So it isnt that much. But yea I was very impressed with your sticky on superdrol and found it both very informative and helpful. I have added more Vitamin C and EFAs to my diet already and the lower back pumps I am experiancing..lol..Anthony Roberts sounds like another very informed individual but considering he thinks the cycle is stupid and a ***** i don't think he would or has ever had experiance runnign something liek it..whereas K-biz is very knowledgeable on the exact subject so..imma have to go with K-biz on this one. But i appreictae all of your reccomendations and information.
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06-25-2007, 10:02 AM #20Writer
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Originally Posted by K.Biz
Also...Bino's "letro to remove gyno" protocol is the same as mine (which had been previously posted) , just typed out differently, I think.
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06-25-2007, 10:07 AM #21Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts
And now your gonna sit here and tell me that your cyo/myo is going to give this kid better gains then his actual cycle of SD???.
Now you have completly lost your mind. this kids prob going to gain upwards of 10+ pounds in 3 weeks. Lets see that happen on cyo/myo. it aint happenin, and you know it.
why make such a RIDICULOUS claim? Now you seriously have nothing to back up anything you are saying. you mine as well keep digging your hole, cause its only gonna get deeper. your to far in now.
we are not talking about your PCT in the PCT forum and you damn well know it, so dont act like a 5 year old and try and make me look bad, or confuse me... because its not working.
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06-25-2007, 10:14 AM #22
you guys reply so fast you missed my conclusion...lol. its ^^^^. I have decided to go with K-biz becuase of his knoweldge of superdrol. and becuase like another 5 pppl have toldme similar things to him and AR's PCT is I guess good too but K-biz is the SD man so Imma have to listen to him and SWIFTO. nd as far a the elimination of GYno goes..thats great but i DONT WANNA GET IT to start with.
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Originally Posted by K.Biz
Most mods here weren't even vets when I was a mod, and I was a mod within 7 posts.
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06-25-2007, 10:18 AM #24Writer
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Originally Posted by yungfaceb3
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758
And tell me if it doesn't seem well thought out. It's my PCT. What I reccomended to you was something else.
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06-25-2007, 10:25 AM #25Originally Posted by yungfaceb3
as for you anthony, good battle i guess. and im sure there will be more. but if you dont no the significants of running an AI/Serm for a pct then mabye YOU need to do some more research.
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06-25-2007, 10:25 AM #26
I just read your PCT Thread AR, and it seemed pretty damn well thought out. But i think Imma still have to do w/ K-biz and swifto.
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06-25-2007, 10:27 AM #27
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06-25-2007, 10:30 AM #28
thats what i was thinking as i read it k-biz. it is solid and well thought out deifnently. I will say AR knows his shyt. But it seemed like a more suitable PCT for, like you said a more hardcore streroid cycle.
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06-25-2007, 01:02 PM #29Originally Posted by yungfaceb3
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Originally Posted by Swifto
Nobody here, or anywhere knew to do it, or why. When you give that advice, you're just repeating me.
That's why, and that's the basis of your advice. The basis of your advice...is mine. I'm asking because I knew that already. Nobody here ever used aromasin for PCT before my article on it, and Lion didn't even sell it until my article (same as my albuterol article).
That's why I'm asking. I'm asking because most of what you regurgitate around here is just something I wrote a couple years ago, and was the first to write about.
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06-25-2007, 02:02 PM #31Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts
So when someone repeats something Nandi (RIP), Dante, Douchaine, BigCat, Swale and Paul B has written, that makes them less of a person. I dont see them with the sort of attitude you portray.
Why arnt they like that and you are?
Poor logic Anthony.
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Originally Posted by Swifto
You slam me....AND...You repeat what I say. You look silly doing that in the same thread. And I caught you doing that, in this thread.
That's the logic, Swifto.
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06-25-2007, 03:56 PM #33Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts
My post:
"And as for Aromasin , many user's prefer using it for PCT. I've seen many state it works better for them than Arimidex , Letro. Personal experience and leaving medical studies aside."
Which repeats nothing you have said or written. Its from user who have USED Aromasin. Not some medical study, or claim you have made at all.
I saw it coming a mile off.
Hence:
"And by the way...I can see why your asking your "curious" question"?!
Your the one who fell into the trap, not me.
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06-25-2007, 04:03 PM #34Writer
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Originally Posted by Swifto
Just maybe?
Because Aromasin sales went up 39% after that article:
Article over the Use of Aromasin with Tamoxifen During Post Cycle Therapy
for one chem company, and another had to start carrying it. But hey...I'm not at the top of the industry, by your estimation.
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06-25-2007, 04:20 PM #35Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts
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Originally Posted by Swifto
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