I Force Nutrition...

[AaronJM1984]

Any heard of it?
Is it any good?
My gym sells all kinds of their stuff.

For instance

I Force Nutrition
1,4 AD
Bold 200

and

2a,17a
Methadrol


Google I Force Nutrition and check it out, is this stuff legit?

[No One Knows]

What do you mean by legit?

[AaronJM1984]

By legit I mean...are their products true pro-hormones? Or are they just like all of the other newer products out there, claiming to be pro-hormones but not living up to the products from a few years ago.

For instance Superdrol NG I hear is garbage compared to the original, the new Halodrol is crap compared to original.

Just wondering if I Nutrition makes good products. I workout at this dungeon looking gym, I saw some Methadrol and Bold 200 for sale, I also saw some Anavol, didn't expect to see these products in person. Thought I'd have to order online.

[No One Knows]

Im thinking about running bold 200 in the future possibly...From what I've read PPL dose the shit mad high...800mg-1.2g ed for a minimum of 8 weeks..

If you can afford 4 bottles it may be worth it...

[No One Knows]

BTW, 1,4ad is old....It just never got banned in 04 or whenever the ph ban took place...

There also used to be a bulk powder you could buy but I haven't seen it sold in a couple of months now.

[AaronJM1984]

The fact it didn't get banned worries me. If it was good, it wouldn't be around anymore.

What about the Methadrol? Some say it's a Superdrol clone, others say its a Halodrol clone, any knowledge?

Wonder if anyone has gotten good results from it?

[No One Knows]

there are many original superdrol and halodrol clones available. competitive edge labs makes both....

[debonair]

I'm going to be running iForce 1,4 AD BOLD 200 soon. I'm not going to stack with anything else. I'll let you know how it goes.

To be honest, I'm a little concerned about the side affects of oral prohormones...

[No One Knows]

What dose are you taking it at?

[debonair]

I'm thinking about just following the recommended dosage on the bottle, which is 200mg twice daily (400mg per day). Any thoughts?

[No One Knows]

Ive heard 800mg minimum a day... for 8 weeks min... Again this is just what ive read from PPl who have used it.

[AaronJM1984]

I checked out Competitive Edge Labs...looks good to me, plus it's cheap. My gym was trying to sell me Bold 200, and Methadrol for 90 bucks a piece, I can get M-Drol, H-Drol, or P-Plex for 25 bucks each. Thanks for the info bro!

[debonair]

Are you considering trying it? I'm interested to know how it works for you. If so, are you taking anything else with it?

[AaronJM1984]

You guys ever hear of anyone stacking M-Drol and P-Plex together, one of the sites sells it for 50 bucks as a stack, haven't heard of anyone stacking em. I've heard people get great results from each, man if you stacked those you'd either mess up your insides or get inhuman results I imagine.

[No One Knows]

I checked out Competitive Edge Labs...looks good to me, plus it's cheap. My gym was trying to sell me Bold 200, and Methadrol for 90 bucks a piece, I can get M-Drol, H-Drol, or P-Plex for 25 bucks each. Thanks for the info bro!

Ouch. Thats robbery.

Are you considering trying it? I'm interested to know how it works for you. If so, are you taking anything else with it?

I was considering it... It would be kinda silly b/c I could get injectable boldenone cheaper...

[No One Knows]

You guys ever hear of anyone stacking M-Drol and P-Plex together, one of the sites sells it for 50 bucks as a stack, haven't heard of anyone stacking em. I've heard people get great results from each, man if you stacked those you'd either mess up your insides or get inhuman results I imagine.

I've seen ppl stack the two like this before:

1-4 PPlex
4-6 M-drol

That way theyre only overlapping for 1 week... I think you could get great results off of either one alone. If you have experience and take the proper precautions the cycle above shouldn't be too bad...

[debonair]

No One Knows, can you advise on the following with respect to oral 1,4-andro?

liver toxicity (can you not drink at all while cycling?)

PCT

[No One Knows]

its not methylated so you should be ok...I wouldn;t make a habit of it though.

For pct I'd run nolva or clomid + aromasin

[AaronJM1984]

Once I finish up my cycle, run pct and take a couple weeks off I will try that. I also have a bottle of Methyl Vol, I think that's the same as M-Drol, right?

Just my 2 cents but, if you're going as far as taking PH's or roids, drinking should not even be a question. I mean if you intened on 1 beer a week just with a buddy then you wouldn't even bother asking, it sounds to me like you're asking for permission to get drunk occasionally, which to me means you aren't serious enough about bodybuilding to take supps that can be dangerous if not taken properly. I refuse to drink, drug or smoke, all that does is hinder my gains and enthusiasm in the gym. If serious enought to take such things, you need to alter you life, diet, etc...

If not wanting it to take over your life then I don't think anyone should be taking drugs that increase muscle mass due to the possible negative side effects.

Not to flame or anything, but people constantly ask if they can drink alochol, empty calories, lots of carbs, can't train the next day, dehydrate yourself, F it!

I'll shut up now.

[No One Knows]

Methyl Vol from est is superdrol with some other bullshit in it...i think they throw in like 50mg on milk thistle and call it liver dex or soemthing.. haha

[AaronJM1984]

Yeah I've read that somewhere else. I am using LG Sciences Methyl 1-D XL and Methyl Masterdrol, not impressed. It' day 9, no weight gain, I've been able to do maybe 1 or 2 extra reps on my lifts, but I could do that without the supps. Maybe the stuff hasn't kicked in yet, I know their new products don't even compare to the old ones. I don't know if I'd even call either of these compunds a prohormone. I have a little less than 3 weeks left, so we'll see.

[debonair]

I hear what your saying...but I'm not going to argue about individual preference. For me, I get serious in the gym and enjoy a social life.

There's nothing wrong with gaining knowledge about a product. If someone warns heavily against drinking..then I wouldn't. But, like in this case, if the occasional drink isn't going to hurt...then why not.

Thanks No One...I appreciate the advise.

[bcaasdirty]

Yeah I've read that somewhere else. I am using LG Sciences Methyl 1-D XL and Methyl Masterdrol, not impressed. It' day 9, no weight gain, I've been able to do maybe 1 or 2 extra reps on my lifts, but I could do that without the supps. Maybe the stuff hasn't kicked in yet, I know their new products don't even compare to the old ones. I don't know if I'd even call either of these compunds a prohormone. I have a little less than 3 weeks left, so we'll see.

dont b so quick to blame to products for lack of results...id check your diet first

[AaronJM1984]

You're one of those know it all types?


my diet as follows:

breakfast:
bowl of plain oatmeal
50g whey protein

pre workout
5g creatine
50g whey protein

pwo
5g glutamine
50 g whey protein

30min later
3 cans tuna, veggies

snack
cottage cheese

dinner
3 chicken breast, or 2 pieces of rib eye
veggies

snack
50 g whey protein

before bed
cottage cheese


yeah must be my diet, lack of protein right, bad timing of meals right?

here we go

[bcaasdirty]

You're one of those know it all types?


my diet as follows:

breakfast:
bowl of plain oatmeal
50g whey protein

pre workout
5g creatine
50g whey protein

pwo
5g glutamine
50 g whey protein

30min later
3 cans tuna, veggies

snack
cottage cheese

dinner
3 chicken breast, or 2 pieces of rib eye
veggies

snack
50 g whey protein

before bed
cottage cheese


yeah must be my diet, lack of protein right, bad timing of meals right?

here we go

no im not a know it all...i just call things how i see them...and to no suprise my intuition was correct

sorry bro but if you're trying to put on weight that diet is junk

YES it is a healthy diet, but if you ever wanna see any progress in the weightroom you need to do some serious work to your 'diet'

im not trying to be a dick here, but plain and simple if you did have an adequet diet you wouldnt be having these problems with putting weight on...the sooner you stop using supplements as a crutch and starting eating how you're supposed to the better off you'll b!

[AaronJM1984]

I am trying to gain LBM, not necessarily "gain weight" I suppose the two go hand in hand, but not necessarily.

And besides I don't understand what is so wrong about my diet, besides the fact maybe I don't take in too many carbs.

I want you to post some pics, lets see how much you really know.

Also, how can you critique anything I say, you don't know my stats, or my goals. Maybe my goal is to lose fat, it's not, but you never checked into that, just started talking out of your a$$, P.S. just because maybe your "diet" or "training" works for you supposively doesn't mean it's right or it would work for anyone else. This is the 1st negative feedback I've receieved on my diet.

I'd like to know what qualifications you have? I am guessing you're about 35-40 years old, have worked out on and off for 20 years, never stuck with it completely, now because you've "been around the block" a few times, you think you are god's gift to bodybuilding. Maybe with your pics, you could scan a pic of your pro card. Maybe I could have you over to my house to show me the appropriate way to do a DB curl, I'd appreciate it if you have the time "Oh great one".

I never asked for stupid remarks, simply trying a new product, didn't know if I was getting appropriate results or not. I asked for experience with the products not "check your diet man". Man if I could murder a few people in my life and get away with it, you might make the list, I cannot stand people giving their 2 cents where it doesn't belong, you could have simply said hows your diet look? Then offered suggestions, instead you had to act like a complete a hole. PLEASE post pics, I beg you, I need something to wipe my a$$ with.

[Bear-Grylls-on-juice]

The Term " Roid Rage " comes to mind.. I guess they really are working.

[AaronJM1984]

Yeah, I wrote that last night, after reading it this morning I may have gotten alittle pissed huh?

[bcaasdirty]

I am trying to gain LBM, not necessarily "gain weight" I suppose the two go hand in hand, but not necessarily.
MOST of the time they do go hand in hand (of course depending on genetics)

And besides I don't understand what is so wrong about my diet, besides the fact maybe I don't take in too many carbs.
not enuf real food

I want you to post some pics, lets see how much you really know.
maybe some other time

Also, how can you critique anything I say, you don't know my stats, or my goals. Maybe my goal is to lose fat, it's not, but you never checked into that, just started talking out of your a$$,
nah i didnt have to check into it b/c in one of your previous posts it read: "day 9, no weight gain"

P.S. just because maybe your "diet" or "training" works for you supposively doesn't mean it's right or it would work for anyone else. This is the 1st negative feedback I've receieved on my diet.
i would never try to force my diet and training methods on other people...its just plain and simple that your diet is not optimal if you're looking to 'add LBM'...you have WAY too much whey (which is a poor choice if your looking to add extra calories) and not enough REAL food...

I'd like to know what qualifications you have? I am guessing you're about 35-40 years old, have worked out on and off for 20 years, never stuck with it completely, now because you've "been around the block" a few times, you think you are god's gift to bodybuilding.
my qualifications? ive done a show i guess?

Maybe with your pics, you could scan a pic of your pro card. Maybe I could have you over to my house to show me the appropriate way to do a DB curl, I'd appreciate it if you have the time "Oh great one".
the only way to do a curl-in the skwat rack...LOL 'great one' that has a nice ring to it!

I never asked for stupid remarks, simply trying a new product, didn't know if I was getting appropriate results or not. I asked for experience with the products not "check your diet man".
check your diet man

Man if I could murder a few people in my life and get away with it, you might make the list, I cannot stand people giving their 2 cents where it doesn't belong, and likewise if i could do the same for every person that posted up what they thought was a 'real' diet and blame their lack of results on the supplements they are taking!

you could have simply said hows your diet look? Then offered suggestions, instead you had to act like a complete a hole. PLEASE post pics, I beg you, I need something to wipe my a$$ with.
ill offer some suggestions when i get back from GYM tonight

in bold

[bcaasdirty]

Yeah, I wrote that last night, after reading it this morning I may have gotten alittle pissed huh?

LOL nah ive seen worse

[AaronJM1984]

That is constuctive criticism, appreciate it. I imagine I do sub. too much real food for whey, I'll try to eat more tuna, chicken, steak, etc...

I try to stay away from starches and what not, however, I'm sure I am not getting enough carbs from fruits and veggies. Starches stick to my ribs though. I haven't had pasta, potatoes, or bread in weeks.

[EYAYO]

Posted by an iforce rep on another forum

Ok guys...this board has been flooded with Bold questions lately, so I figured I'd step up and help everyone out a bit to help lull the mass confusion.

First things first...


What is Bold?


Bold is a prohormone that is commonly labeled 1,4 AD. This is not to be confused with prohormones of old such as 1-ad, or even 4-ad...or the newly popular M1,4 ADD.

This naturally occurring compound is a direct precursor to Boldenone , a derivative of testosterone . 1,4ADBOLD is an extremely effective aid for increasing receptor activation and initiating the muscle tissue rebuilding process that yields solid gains in lean muscle mass. The 1,4ADBOLD compound has a very high level of bioavailability with a majority of the chemical passing through the liver without being deactivated by 17-ketosteroid. The potential conversion rate to estrogen is favorable for increasing tissue growth and repair, but minimal enough that very little noted side effects occur such as increased body fat, gynecomastia , or water retention.

So, in essence, Bold is a prohormone to the active hormone Boldenone.



I want to try Bold, how old do I have to be?


Bold, like all other prohormones are intended to be used by anyone who is 21+. If you aren't 21...don't take Bold. It is really THAT simple.




Ok, Bold is a PH and I'm 21. How do I take the stuff?




Bold can be run many different ways. If you are new to PH's/AAS we strongly advise that you use no other PH while using Bold. However, we do advise everyone to use Testobolan while on cycle with Bold. A typical first cycle would look like this:

Weeks 1-6: Bold @600mg/day, Testobolan @ 3-4/day.

This stack can be run up to 12 weeks safely. Yes...12 weeks.

Many users lately have been using doses up to 1 gram/day. We at iForce do not reccommend this as it equates to anywhere from 650-800mg/week of Boldenone...almost double what most users use. A safe effective dose is 400-800mg/day and no more. 800mg/day is for experienced users only.



Wait a minute...I thought you said to take Bold alone? Why would you take Testobolan with it?




Testobolan has been shown to help raise natural testosterone. This simply means that if you take Testobolan while on a Bold cycle, it will be significantly easier to get through PCT as your shut down will be minimal if any at all!




PCT? What in the world is PCT and why do I need it for Bold?




PCT stands for post cycle therapy . Although Bold is a very safe/mild PH it does have the ability to "shut you down" or halt your natural testosterone production.

While most harsh PH's require the use of a SERM for post cycle therapy(which is very difficult to come by for some users), Bold requires only Testobolan and a common AI such as Ergopharm's 6oxo.





Ok, I've got my Bold 200, my testobolan, and my 6oxo(insert other generic AI here)...do I need anything else?




Before running any cycle, I would pick up Anabolic Innovations Cycle Support or Life Support. This should be taken for the duration of the cycle as it helps with general health, as well as helping to keep users as side effect free as possible.

It is possible to feel some cramping with this compound as is normal with all PH's, so having a bottle of taurine on hand will definitely help. I like to dose my taurine anywhere from 3-10grams a day depending on how I feel.

Liver support such as LiverLonger(my favorite) or Liv52 are not NECESSARY for the cycle as the compound is a non-methyl, however if you are nervous about it, shell out the extra bucks and go for it. It will not hurt gains whatsoever. Most of us need healthier livers anyway.



Ok, I've got everything set and ready to go...Just how HYOOOGE am I going to get from this stack?




Bold is not an instant mass builder and does take 2-3 weeks to kick in for most users. It is not uncommon to gain 1-2lbs a week of pure LBM...not water/fat. There are several reviews of users gaining 12-15lbs during an 8 week cycle. Not too shabby for a non-methyl!