Best overcounter test booster??

[Glock-19]

Has anybody had good results from over the counter test boosters since I can no longer get the real stuff?

[nhl1]

6-oxo.

[dd0316]

zues
good shit
along with purple k

[Emilio_Rebenga]

novadex worked good for me

[legobricks]

6-oxo.

Edit your post. We do not condone to this type of activity, very good way for people to be scammed. Also we are not a source board.


This also should be in the supplement forum.

[torontodude]

I don't know bro but I've tried a lot of test boosters but all were not really any good especially for what they cost. IMO.
I just save my money for more food.

[Mbuffguy]

test boosters suck

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Primal Male MAN

and Nolvadex


Stack em'





Along with Stinging Nettle

[Swifto]

Primal Males, MAN (high dose)

PP's Sustain Alpha, EndoAmp, Taco-8 (BW has shown a decent increase).

6-oxo also seems a very good addition to a PCT protocol.

[ladygarn]

Primal male and the rest of them are crap.

Primal male and some of the others have Indole-3-carbinol or diindolylmethane both of which are anti-androgens and in the case of diindolylmethane (which is also the metabolite of I3C) estrogenic as well.
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oral ATD, 6oxo, etc are not good, you are better off using aromasin .

anykind of tribulus or tribulus like product is also worthless for boosting testosterone .

[ACE5HIGH]

Primal male and the rest of them are crap.

Primal male and some of the others have Indole-3-carbinol or diindolylmethane both of which are anti-androgens and in the case of diindolylmethane (which is also the metabolite of I3C) estrogenic as well.

oral ATD, 6oxo, etc are not good, you are better off using aromasin .

anykind of tribulus or tribulus like product is also worthless for boosting testosterone.

Hum... interesting, I didnt realize Primal Male used I3C until this post. I really dont know much about it but I have had very good results with Fadogia products...

Would the I3C in Primal Male cause this to be a less effective product then some other Fadogia products on the market?

[GT2]

There are no "OTC test boosters" that are effective.
In saying that, supplementing with ZMA or even Zinc by itself has shown to boost natural test production. But it wouldn't make a noticable difference in your appearance, so save your money and invest it in protein-rich food!

[automatic]

use hcg at end of cycle up to pct.500iu every 5 days

[Swifto]

Primal male and the rest of them are crap.

Primal male and some of the others have Indole-3-carbinol or diindolylmethane both of which are anti-androgens and in the case of diindolylmethane (which is also the metabolite of I3C) estrogenic as well.

oral ATD, 6oxo, etc are not good, you are better off using aromasin .

anykind of tribulus or tribulus like product is also worthless for boosting testosterone.

Nice find, but it seems many have had decent results using fadogia products?

What would you add then apart from Aromasin or a SERM? The long term safely using AI's in males is questionable. Only a handful of Endo's prescribe AI's to their patients at present.

[ladygarn]

Nice find, but it seems many have had decent results using fadogia products?

What would you add then apart from Aromasin or a SERM? The long term safely using AI's in males is questionable. Only a handful of Endo's prescribe AI's to their patients at present.

I am guessing its mostly placebo. Lots of people supposedly have great results with tribulus, but its been clearly shown that it is all psychological. The libido effects that tribulus has are completely unrelated to testosterone .

there are several studies where AI's as strong as letrozole were used for more than a year. I would stick with aromasin or, if you have to go OTC, go with AIFM which appears to be pretty effective (how they succeed with ATD where others seem to miserably fail, I have no clue).

just because endo's are ages behind the science does not mean that the end user should be. endocrinology is pretty hokey to begin with, since most of the time they are just guessing, this may be why, this appears to, people in in the endo field that make declarative statements in studies usually end up getting a smackdown later on.

[F4iGuy]

This may belong in the PCT forum, but it seems there are some good responses here. What would be the best stand alone test booster between Nolvadex and Aromasin ?

[inheritmylife]

Not really OTC, but a SERM and an AI work wonders for me.

[big_dubya33]

Primal Males, MAN (high dose)

PP's Sustain Alpha, EndoAmp, Taco-8 (BW has shown a decent increase).

6-oxo also seems a very good addition to a PCT protocol.

Swifto-

how would you recommend dosing the Primal Males product? I think the instructions on the label are 3 tabs 2x a day. (I just placed an order for 2 bottles)

Thank you!

W

[ladygarn]

[B]

Swifto-

how would you recommend dosing the Primal Males product? I think the instructions on the label are 3 tabs 2x a day. (I just placed an order for 2 bottles)

Thank you!

W

did you read my post? cancel that shit.

if you want to use fadogia, which i really dont think does anything but maybe the placebanon effect will suit you, then get a product without I3C or DIM.

[mike954]

i like fomadrol by lg seems to work for me

[inevitable]

Animal Stak by Universal always help me in the off..

[ladygarn]

does no one read the thread before posting? or read the ingredients of the products that they reccomend?

(a repost of my answer in the other animal stak thread)


animal stak is JUNK. Like most universal products.

for the billionth time TRIBULUS is NOT at test booster.

everyone one of their products looks like it was formulated by a crack head, could you put more half assed and inneffective ingredients into a single product. somehow I doubt it.

I would not really care about this and probably would not comment if it were not for the kiss of death ingredient- DIM. it aint no aromatase inhibitor, its an aromatase INDUCER. add to that the fact that DIM is an anti-androgen and estrogen, well I think most people would say to universal-- WHAT THE **** WERE YOU THINKING?


read here for info on DIM and I3C (and stop others from falling for crap like this)
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[BITTAPART2]

does the bad guys fadogia product contain these DIM and 13C? you know who I mean?

[ACE5HIGH]

does no one read the thread before posting? or read the ingredients of the products that they reccomend?

(a repost of my answer in the other animal stak thread)


animal stak is JUNK. Like most universal products.

for the billionth time TRIBULUS is NOT at test booster.

Humm... I happen to like thier products (animal pak) my buddy is also getting great results with the M-stak.

Ya know... ive heard time and time again the studies disproving the effects of this herb or that supplement...

I do believe that there is a lot of products out OTC that are totaly ineffective. I know, Ive tried them all. But there remains a lot of products on the market Herbal or OTC that truley do make a difference despite popular belief or studies.
Perfect example: The first fadogia product to really take off around here, Myogen has been a one of the best test/libido boosters Ive tried. I personally dont have blood work to prove it works, but dont need to. Because, It works. No placebo effects here, so would say the many who have had amazing results with it besides me...

On another note: I dnt think the bad guys Fadogia product contains I3C or the others, at least its not listed as an ingredient..

Last one: In regards to AI's and serm's How does Arimidex stack up to like Aromasin or the others? im using some shortly in my current PCT...

[ladygarn]

libido is not the same thing as testosterone . And while I think the whole fadogia thing is suspect, there is no evidence one way or the other that its effective. There is only that one study in mice, done in nigeria (you know the fraud capital of the world), that shows anything about testosterone.

and unless you do blood work, how the **** do you know that it boosted your testosterone? I know tons of guys that swear up and down that tribulus works, but it does not and there are several studies to prove that it does not work. None that proves that it works.

aromasin is much better than arimidex . Clomid is much better than nolva, especially for people that use stuff like superdrol and pheraplex.

[ACE5HIGH]

libido is not the same thing as testosterone . And while I think the whole fadogia thing is suspect, there is no evidence one way or the other that its effective. There is only that one study in mice, done in nigeria (you know the fraud capital of the world), that shows anything about testosterone.

and unless you do blood work, how the **** do you know that it boosted your testosterone? I know tons of guys that swear up and down that tribulus works, but it does not and there are several studies to prove that it does not work. None that proves that it works.

aromasin is much better than arimidex. Clomid is much better than nolva, especially for people that use stuff like superdrol and pheraplex.

Well... Members of the board who have been around for a bit have actually had bloodwork done to show the effectiveness of Fadogia.

As for aromasin vs l-dex , clomid vs nolva. This is really a matter of opinion... they effect people in different ways for diff purposes. EVERYONE has thier own opinion on which is best...

[ladygarn]

Well... Members of the board who have been around for a bit have actually had bloodwork done to show the effectiveness of Fadogia.

As for aromasin vs l-dex , clomid vs nolva. This is really a matter of opinion... they effect people in different ways for diff purposes. EVERYONE has thier own opinion on which is best...

you mean people affiliated with the scammer and all around jack ass anthony roberts?

you asked for my opinion.

[pognog]

Interesting thread...

[ACE5HIGH]

you mean people affiliated with the scammer and all around jack ass anthony roberts?

you asked for my opinion.

Yeah those are the ones, Im surprised you've heard of him ;-)

Seriously, I would have to agree with you there about Mr. Roberts... And believe me It would pain me to give such credit to a particular product of his if it were not for the fact that it has worked for many people. Besides, since im in the supplement business I really cant afford to be biased due to a personal distaste for anyone... Its just bad business

[Swifto]

libido is not the same thing as testosterone . And while I think the whole fadogia thing is suspect, there is no evidence one way or the other that its effective. There is only that one study in mice, done in nigeria (you know the fraud capital of the world), that shows anything about testosterone.

and unless you do blood work, how the **** do you know that it boosted your testosterone? I know tons of guys that swear up and down that tribulus works, but it does not and there are several studies to prove that it does not work. None that proves that it works.

aromasin is much better than arimidex. Clomid is much better than nolva, especially for people that use stuff like superdrol and pheraplex.

You right about Trib and all the other gimmicks (Lj100 etc...), but there seems to be studies done on individuals (not affiliated with the companys) on PP's products Sustain Alpha especially. Davinil also looks good for increasing free testosterone.

I dont think there is anything out there that will 100% raise your total testosterone levels at the moment. I have seen BW (not sure if it was sponsored or not) on MAN raising total T but as you point out, IC3 seems to be an anti-androgen.

What are your thoughts on PP's Sustain Alpha, Endo-Amp? I'm not sure about Endo-Amp now after reading an interesting thread on 7-oxo's metabolites, cortisol and lowering endogenous testosterone.

[ladygarn]

from what I understand any negative feedback or comments about PP's products are deleted from elite and the posters banned. Banned from elite is somewhat of a badge of honor in some circles.

Deletions supposedly Included bloodwork that showed that it raised estrogen levels. I dont know how much of all that is true, or if PP asks for the deletions or its just done.

Though I am undecided on resveratrol, there are a lot of contradictory studies on its effects. Some saying its a rather potent estrogen, others saying that its a potent antiestrogen, some saying that it induces aromatase, others that it inhibits it.



I personally find a lot of the feedback on mansports very suspect, all of a sudden they became the most talked about company on bb.com same goes for controlled labs. as to bloodwork, an anti-androgen would not lower testosterone , it would just compete with it for binding. But the aromatase induction would raise E, but how much probably varies quite a bit. then again, is the blood work that you saw even legit?

I am not familiar with endo-amp, but I will take a look at it.

[djsir007]

I have taken Instone Forza T several times.
It has Trib, 6-oxo, and ZMA in it.
I did have a blood test while I was on it and it came back around 800 whatevers.
Which I guess is on the high side for 30 somethings. Unfortunately I have never had a blood test while I was off so I cant compare, but I do notice that I get a bit leaner and stronger while on. Nothing crazy, but I know it works for me.

[Football_Bill]

I have been using Diesel Test Hardcore for a few weeks now and have liked it so far. It is definitely a libido enhancer, and the way my nips started itching after three days it felt like I was on some real test. A little liquid nolva in the AM from a great board sponsor and the itch is gone, but the intensity and pumps are still there. It does contain DIH, is that what could be causing the nipple itch? I was liking it until the post above about DIH.

[Swifto]

Ok...

I dont know about the PP's product(s) bloodwork results. They seem independant, but who knows. I guess you never know until you get it done yourself. Pre and post bloodwork.

Fadogia, possibly, although, as stated above its from a dodgy ass country but holds the most credibility (if you can call it that) out of any of them. The study is on mice though!

MAN's prodcut contains IC3, an anti-androgen. Again, get BW and see for yourself, but its does cintain IC3, thats on the ingredients.

Trib, LongJack, Lj100 are all garbage IMHO. There are no studies claiming they raise anything, only labido. The "studies" that do exist arnt "studies", there articles made to look like studies written by manufacturers or patent holders of the compound(s) at hand. Stay well away.

Vitex holds some water, although a phyto-estrogen, which some believe blocks estrogen, others believing it raises it and LH? Again, there isnt enough backing IMHO. From what I've read, it does seem it lowers prolactin though, but its minimal.

There isnt much left then...

Ways of 100% raising total testosterone are to use AI's and SERM's. As you do during PCT. They have hundreds of studies confirming just that, although most are done on hypogondal males, not males with normal testosterone levels (eugonadal males). I know of users trying Letro (low dose) with success and changing the T/E ratio, thus raising T (Vitor).

If you want to try this with an AI, try a low dose of Letro, Aromasin or Arimidex . With a SERM, Clomid or Torm IMHO. Nolva is liver toxic and a known carcinogen(sp).

There my thoughts...

[Glock-19]

Thank you all for your intellegent answers on this issue, you have been very helpful. If you all had to agree on one product which would it be?

[Swifto]

Thank you all for your intellegent answers on this issue, you have been very helpful. If you all had to agree on one product which would it be?

Mine would be either Aromasin , Arimidex or Letro. Perhaps Torm too.

[REDSTICK69]

so if all of them are fake then they cant hurt you and no need for pct with all of those so called ''test boosters'' right? And can i take the serms or ai at any time.

[BITTAPART2]

^^^^^ I think the promise of stimulating LH directly is why fadogia seems like a good product. SERMS and AIs definatly boost test levels but not by stimulating LH directly, for an all around recovery from shut down i would take a multilevel approach and try and stimulate everything directly, the pituitary,LH, lydeg cells. HCG /Arimidex /Fadogia(if it works)/Clomid (I still like it better then Nolva). I usually throw proviron , cabaser and low dose cialis E3d in my PCT just so I dont miss any coochie that gets tossed my way. The hopes that a good OTC test booster will come out will not go away, there is obviously a huge market for this, possibly fadogia hasnt been marketed correctly or it is still not producing human lab tests performed in a control/variable enviornment by professionals. I saw a blood test my friend took and his total T and LH both went up signifigantly when taking fadogia

[Misery13]

6-oxo.

agreed

also try diesel test by diesel nutrition...and good old Vitamin C and squats...

[REDSTICK69]

The thing im trying to say is will that crap hurt you if you dont take pct, because some people on this forum beleive it will.And that back and forth shit gets confusing!