Creatine CEE a hoax?

**yannick35** · 11-08-2008, 10:26 AM

I bough a one year supply of this from axis labs, and now i am reading different articles on studies that stat its inefective and is a hoax.

That the absorbation is not has good has all the hype said?

I have been using it for a week now and i can honestly said that i got the same effect on CEE then when i was using monohydrate, difference is that i have no bloating, but my shoulders are a lot bigger and i gained about 1 inch on both arms which is the effect i usually got from mono before.

I didnt gain any extra weight either.

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**T_Own** · 11-08-2008, 07:05 PM

you obviously have bloating if you claim to have gained an inch on your arms in a week.

how much is a years supply? grams and price

**yannick35** · 11-08-2008, 07:10 PM

Axis labs had a huge sale on bodybuilding.com,

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/axis/cee.html check it out its still on sale 29$ for 400 caps you take 2 before training and 2 after, or you can take 4 before and 4 after.

I bought 6 big 400 caps bottles, so i have this for almost a year depending on the dosage i take.

I really want to know if its effective or its a hoax and who uses it too with success.

**ralph4u2c** · 11-09-2008, 10:39 AM

your fine bro. the studies showed that CEE, regardless of the ethyl-ester attatched, turned into the byproduct creatinine faster than creatine monohydrate. this was a surprise to some and nothing new to others

doesnt necessarily make it a crappy product so use it up and enjoy. look at all the good feedback on CEE regardless of that study.

**RATTLEHEAD** · 11-09-2008, 08:21 PM

i'm still a huge Krealkalyn fan. To tell you the truth, I didn't even believe in creatine (didnt think it was worth the money) until I tried Krealkalyn.

**yannick35** · 11-09-2008, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by RATTLEHEAD

i'm still a huge Krealkalyn fan. To tell you the truth, I didn't even believe in creatine (didnt think it was worth the money) until I tried Krealkalyn.

I will look into this for sure. Thanks RATTLEHEAD

**Gaspari1255** · 11-09-2008, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by yannick35

Axis labs had a huge sale on bodybuilding.com,

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/axis/cee.html check it out its still on sale 29$ for 400 caps you take 2 before training and 2 after, or you can take 4 before and 4 after.

I bought 6 big 400 caps bottles, so i have this for almost a year depending on the dosage i take.

I really want to know if its effective or its a hoax and who uses it too with success.

Why would you buy such a large amount before knowing if it was legit or not?

**yannick35** · 11-10-2008, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by ******

Why would you buy such a large amount before knowing if it was legit or not?

To make a long story short i have been dealing with back pain for 8 years, i am getting better now due to prolotherapy and i have tried many times to start training again.

I have been weight training since i was 13 years old, got injured at 29 and am now 36. I have 8 years of my life to get back, seen many so called back pain specialist chiros and all the works, they where all fakes, i finally went into sport medecin and everything lead me to prolotherapy, lax ligament and chronic back pain go hand in hand. I also bought furazadol.

Like i said i read some mixed reviews on CCE and it was really cheap compared to the price we pay here in Canada for the same product going for 60$ per bottle and the big bottle i bought goes for 90$.

I is working fine for me right now my strenght is going up and i did gain some good mass during the first week, which is what creatine does.

The difference is that i dont feel bloated has i did when i was on mono.

Take care of your back because once its injured your dont live your life to the fullest.

I got 2-3 prolo treatments and i will be back 100%.

**RATTLEHEAD** · 11-10-2008, 04:56 PM

I think I can offer some good advice. I had 4 bulging discs in my spine, and I tore the tiny muscles that connect the larger muscles in your back to your spine. It was horrendous and I thought I was paralyzed for a while. It was so bad I asked my mother to kill me if I was paralyzed. I tried everything (like i'm sure you have) and the only thing that ever helped me were ultrasounds (deep heat therapy), electronic muscle stimulation, and deep massages at least 3 times per week. Also, I was supplementing arginine products (it was when they first really came out and was all hyped up and I thought it would boost muscle recovery). After 2 years of doing the above, I started swimming laps to build my muscles back with the least chance for injury. Now I'm much stronger, it's been about 6 - 7 years and I work out hard core but I only use body weight exercises. It's more psychological for me now than anything, I'm sure I can go do my old HIT work out but I will never do it again because I refuse to ever take the chance to feel pain like that again. I'd highly recommend you find a extraordinary massage therapist (whose preferably a doctor as well, like mine was). I'd also take protein, bcaa's, creatine, arginine, etc. as well. I really think supplementing may have helped my recovery, whether it was the placebo effect or it physically worked, i don't know but it eventually worked. Good luck man, I feel your pain.

**yannick35** · 11-10-2008, 10:32 PM

Thanks for great advise, i did find someone finally, an amazing prolotherapist, my issue was lax ligaments, i do have 2 discopathy from a recent MRI dried out disk on L4L5 L5S1 but that is not causing my pain. I used an inversion table, lumbar extender and posture pump to decompress my back.

To be honest my back is much better since i started doing prolotherapy and i rarely need to decompress it, i still do the inversion 10 minutes a day after i finish training to avoid more injury to my disk.

I take ***** animal and Flex animal by Universal also collagen and a bunch of other vitamins.

My lifts are going heavy again quit incredible after all theses years seeing the strenght coming back like this. And this time around i can train, i dont feel the pain coming back like it used to after i trained heavy couple of times.

My pelvic was not aligned properly in all theses years and was adjusted a lot by chiros and other back pain specialist, but it was not until i went into sport medecin that they found the lax ligaments, and put me on a serious core training program, my abs where weak has hell, i had a huge gut ouch, to think of it all my body was weak, my posture was a total mess.

Thank god for sport medecin and prolotherapy.

I will never squat nore deadlift again for sure that is what got me injured in the first place.

Core training is essential and to be honest everyone should do it to prevent and strenghten the spin.

Abs must be done everyday, side leg raise, pelvic strenghtening routines, lower back hyperextension.

I also try to walk a lot getting that pumping action in the lower back and get the blood flowing down there to bring nutrients to the disk, also inversion table creats space between the disk so more blood is pumped there.

I am sure that i can rehydrate my 2 disk, they are just dark disk.

This is the link i posted earlier this year with my MRI pics

ongoing back pain Doc sust if you are still around

I plan on getting back into Kenpo Karate has soon has my back is strong again.

**niceshotman** · 11-11-2008, 04:18 AM

about the CEE...the whole idea behind it is fast absorption when muscles are pumped with blood, so powder form is used a little quicker. Caps have to break down in your stomach, but that doesn't take too long anyway.

about the karate...it's fun & nice, but don't go hurting yourself over it. if you can get pain free, then love life and be thankful for that. don't find new ways to develop more pain. trust me on that one. im a veteran of agonizing pain. it is far better to be fat, ugly, crippled, poor, sexless, and friendless, than to live in agonizing pain.

**Swifto** · 11-11-2008, 11:29 AM

Mono Mono Mono....

**RATTLEHEAD** · 11-11-2008, 01:56 PM

yea man. One more thing you've mentioned and I should have mentioned is abs. Abs are huge when it comes to back pain. If you have a strong core, your back will have much less stress placed on it. i wouldn't do abs every day though, i'd do it every other day. Get yourself a swiss ball and a medicine ball, those 2 are essential. You can do a variety of unbelievable ab exercises with em.

**yannick35** · 11-12-2008, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by RATTLEHEAD

yea man. One more thing you've mentioned and I should have mentioned is abs. Abs are huge when it comes to back pain. If you have a strong core, your back will have much less stress placed on it. i wouldn't do abs every day though, i'd do it every other day. Get yourself a swiss ball and a medicine ball, those 2 are essential. You can do a variety of unbelievable ab exercises with em.

Thanks RATTLEHEAD, i have everything at home, this summer i went into sport medecin after a year and a half and 2 dirty chiros that would not let me go, treatment was going no where.

Sport medecin gave me a tone of core exercises that i am still doing daily, along the prolotherapy treatments, swiss ball, pelvic strengthening exercises and a lot more.