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    Critique this beginners ph cycle.

    3-AD and 11oxo for 4 weeks. Along with krealk, protein, reversitol (libido purposes), BCAA's.

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    Havoc and 11oxo (maybe even just Havoc on it's own) for 4 weeks. Along with the same list of supps.

    PCT (regardless of cycle): 4 weeks of Tamoxifen Citrate.
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    20mgs.

    KEEP IN MIND - For a beginner seeking lean, dry muscle gains. What does everyone think?

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    as well as liv 52 for liver support.

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    I don't know if it's true, but I read reversitol is a good enough PCT supp for 3AD. is this true?

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    3-ad was the biggest waste of money in my opinion. look into h-drol and epistane. they are good for dry lean gains.

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    life support by Annabolic Innovations

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    Quote Originally Posted by RATTLEHEAD View Post
    3-AD and 11oxo for 4 weeks. Along with krealk, protein, reversitol (libido purposes), BCAA's.

    OR

    Havoc and 11oxo (maybe even just Havoc on it's own) for 4 weeks. Along with the same list of supps.

    PCT (regardless of cycle): 4 weeks of Tamoxifen Citrate.
    30mgs
    20mgs
    20mgs
    20mgs.

    KEEP IN MIND - For a beginner seeking lean, dry muscle gains. What does everyone think?

    I'd go with the second choice.
    and pct as 40/40/20/20

    x2 with life support by AI

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    If it is between the two choices, I would go with the Havoc cycle.

    Currently I'm on day 9 of a Havoc/3AD cycle and am up about 7.6 lbs (keep in mind a great deal of that is water and from massive amounts of carbs). Up until day 7 I was running only Havoc at 30mg (20mg the first two days), and was getting the same gains as before I added the 3AD.

    So in my opinion, although it is only day 3 on 3AD, I haven't seen much that has impressed me. The Havoc however had tremendous gains noticed even in the first week.
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    I would dose it at 30/30/40/40 on the Havoc with 40/40/20/20 Nolva for PCT. Also, you may want to look into "Cycle Assist", it is a great supp for the duration of the cycle, preloaded one week before.

    **Also, the Havoc will really dry out your joints and tendons, after only one week on it, everything was starting to ache. Look into Cissus Quadringulus (sp?) as well as some other joint support for the duration of the cycle**

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