Gaining weight on fat burner /stimulant?

[LaRoche]

Does AMP by Ergopharm burn fat, or just increase focus? When taking it I add 25mg ephedrine to two AMP capsules.

A couple months ago I was 150lbs and now I'm 165. I'm used to ECA (1 a day before a cardio session).

I also started taking CEE + NE2 (arginine ethyl ester) by Axis Labs over this period.

My workouts are more intense and my strength seems to have gone through the roof.

My diet is virtually unchanged. My goal was to maintain my body fat %, while increasing muscle size and definition. The CEE/AEE was something I wanted to try out to maintain muscle and increase vascularity, but I just seem to be getting bigger overall (including a bit of fat gain). The definition around my midsection seems to have suffered a bit throughout this process.

[LaRoche]

Anyone? I shortened/ clarified my initial post.

[RATTLEHEAD]

post a link of this supplement, i'll take a look at it's components. also, if your going to take creatine take a micronized monohydrate like kre-alkalyn. NO2 products don't really do much either. also, i don't know why your mid section has suffered.. thats pretty odd. but anyways, give me a link and i'lll help you out.

[LaRoche]

Arginine Ethyl Ester
http://www.axislabs.net/p-NE201.htm

Creatine Ethyl Ester
http://www.axislabs.net/p-CEE03.htm

[RATTLEHEAD]

L-Arginine is a common supplement taken these days, and it is a good supp but it doesn't live up to all the false promises on the "nitrix" and "NO2" bottles, etc. Also, Creatine Ethyl Ester IMO is a waste. I'd go with a micronized Creatine Monohydrate since monohydrate is the only form of creatine proven in countless studies to actually work.

[IM708]

Could be edema from the creatine.

[LaRoche]

AMP, from what I have read, is what is giving me the added intensity and focus to lift more.
Throwing those other products into the mix might have given me the size, but it might just be a "pump". Anyways my pants are tighter and I have'nt even been going that heavy on legs.
The edema suggestion could be true.
Maybe I'll just cut the creatine altogether, or switch to the other form as suggested, and stick with the Arginine.
I do feel that there has been a net muscle vs. fat gain in all this, but at 150lbs my waist was 28in. and now its 30in.
As you can see I've been on the board for a while, but only now have I decided to re-visit supps, to see what new has come out. Thanks

[IM708]

I actually just read a study on cee vs monohydrate and it may get into the blood faster but it doesn't absorb into the muscles any better than monohydrate. Actually it's even worse.

[TheJuicer]

Whats your diet???

[LaRoche]

Thats an excellent point regarding my diet, because 10 - 15 lbs in 2 months (1 - 2 lbs a week??) seems to me like its not just the supps.
My diet is tuned-in, but you're right, I have added some extra cals - but not that many. I used to read the diet board every day for years, until SwoleCat, who was my favourite mod & inspiration, was no longer on AR.