What is the best supplement for fat loss

[meangene1975]

What is best in the aid of fat loss and where can I get it?

[T-MOS]

Diet and Cardio will work wonders

you can get them at your local gym

diets can be found right here

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6

[*RAGE*]

^^^^lol

[meangene1975]

Wow, appreciate all your help??

[reddohc]

die and cardio.. after that clen will help

[T-MOS]

Wow, appreciate all your help??

The help you are getting is based ON your threads. you have been told several times that NO ONE here will hand write you a diet plan, YOU Need to do the research.

There are ALREADY diet plans in the threads you have been directed to.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=377406

What exactly do you want? People pay a lot of money to have others type out complete diet plans. You are getting help for FREE.

If you would like to pay me $500.00, I will be happy to lay out a complete diet plan specific to you will all the macros and meals laid out for a 12 week diet based on your goals


Go to this thread. Nark offers FREE diet advice, ask him your specific questions

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=341121

[meangene1975]

This thread is about supplement. winstrol, hydroxycut etc. Nothing about diet in here. I know diet. I am looking for a supplement to go with it.

[hellapimpin]

research hydroxycut, clen, t3 ... maybe those will be of interest to you

[T-MOS]

This thread is about supplement. winstrol, hydroxycut etc. Nothing about diet in here. I know diet. I am looking for a supplement to go with it.

No problem. I will have this moved to the right section then.

[meangene1975]

thanks

[T-MOS]

Please keep in mind that at 25% bodyfat, NO STEROID will help you drop fat.

YOU need to get your bodyfat down first. CLEN can aid an already good diet.

[meangene1975]

Is clen safe to take with cyponate. and I am eating good I thought. but when i went to the doctor I lost 12 lbs and 3 lbs of muscle and I dont want to lose muscles.

[D7M]

yes, clen is safe to take with cyp.

"and I am eating good I thought"...in a previous thread you said you had no clue about diet. so....?

[T-MOS]

Is clen safe to take with cyponate. and I am eating good I thought. but when i went to the doctor I lost 12 lbs and 3 lbs of muscle and I dont want to lose muscles.

what you consider eating good and what WE consider eating good are probably a world apart.

Yes clen is safe with Cyp, but it is even better to use during your PCT if you are going to do PCT

why dont' you post up a typical days food intake with times you eat and we can start there

[meangene1975]

I eat a bowl of raisin bran before i go to gym 530 am
I eat a piece of grilled chicken with mushroom or 2 scrambled eggs at 9 am
I eat salad grilled chicken or tuna for lunch around 12
I ate red beans with grilled chicken on the side at 6 pm.
I drink nothing but water all day. and no sweets. I eat apples, grapes and banana thrru the day for snacks. I was told to stay away from red meat even tho its has good protein. Can i lose weight and gain muscle at the same time efficiently?

[meangene1975]

Is clen a steroid? where can i buy? how much a day? with this drive my blood pressure?

[gettingBIGGERfast]

Is clen a steroid? where can i buy? how much a day? with this drive my blood pressure?

no
ar-r.com
depends, you probably shouldnt take any
what?

[F4iGuy]

DNP (scary stuff)
Clen/T3
ECA stack

I have no experience using these but I'm considering the ECA stack. Safest option me thinks.

[Narkissos]

Best supplement for fat-loss is fish oil imo.

-CNS

[rickrick55]

T-MOS

If you would like to pay me $500.00, I will be happy to lay out a complete diet plan specific to you will all the macros and meals laid out for a 12 week diet based on your goals

but T-MOS, you just did mine for free!!!!!

[IM708]

Best supplement for fat-loss is fish oil imo.

-CNS

I've never read anything that suggests 0mega-3 aids w/ fatloss...

[rickrick55]

healthy fats...gotta have em if you want to lose fat

[IM708]

healthy fats...gotta have em if you want to lose fat

Why? How does taking them aid with fatloss? Why does fish oil (0mega-3) lead to greater fatloss?

[Narkissos]

I've never read anything that suggests 0mega-3 aids w/ fatloss...

Time for you to do some heavy reading mate.

[IM708]

Have any literature...? Studies? etc?

[Narkissos]

This is an excerpt from coach Poliquin's and Dr. Houston's upcoming book on fat loss:

Serious trainers want to find a supplement that will give them an edge. For those of us interested in positively and optimally altering body composition and maximizing our training efforts, fish oils offer thirteen possible advantages:

1. Cell membrane health: Eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA), insure that cell membranes remain healthy. The membranes are flexible and contain larger numbers of insulin receptors that are more receptive and responsive to circulating insulin. This results in decreased fat storage in the adipocytes (fat cells)

2. Fish oils turn on the lipolytic genes (fat burning genes)

3. Fish oils turn off the lipogenic genes (fat storage genes)

4.Fish oils diminish C-reactive proteins, a newly identified risk factor associated with various inflammatory diseases, including atherosclerosis, angina, coronary heart disease, heart attack, stroke, congestive heart failure and diabetes. The D.H.A. fraction of the fish oil seems to be one most responsible for that protective effect. DHA also has best ability to reduce blood pressure.

5. Increase utilization of fat stores from the adipocytes.

6. Preferential utilization for energy production once stored in the Adipocytes.

More:

Dietary Fish Oil Upregulates Intestinal Lipid Metabolism and Reduces Body Weight Gain in C57BL/6J Mice1,2

Takuya Mori, Hidehiko Kondo*, Tadashi Hase, Ichiro Tokimitsu and Takatoshi Murase

Biological Science Laboratories, Kao Corporation, Akabane, Ichikai-machi, Haga-gun, Tochigi 321-3497, Japan


Fish oils (FO) rich in (n-3) PUFA exert hypolipidemic and antiobesity effects in association with modulated hepatic lipid metabolism. We recently demonstrated the possible involvement of intestinal lipid metabolism in the development of obesity. In this study, we examined the effect of FO ingestion on intestinal lipid metabolism in relation to obesity. When diet-induced obesity-prone C57BL/6J mice were fed an 8% FO, high-fat (30%) diet for 5 mo, body weight gain was significantly reduced compared with mice fed a 30% triacylglycerol (TG) diet without FO. In addition to modulating messenger RNA (mRNA) levels in the liver, FO ingestion for 2 wk affected the intestinal mRNA levels of lipid metabolism-related genes; those of carnitine palmitoyltransferase 1a, cytochrome P450 4A10, and malic enzyme were significantly higher in mice fed the 8% FO diet compared with mice fed the 30% TG diet. Northern blot analysis revealed that the expression levels of most lipid metabolism-related genes in the small intestine of mice fed the 8% FO diet were comparable to those in the liver. Furthermore, reflecting the difference at the mRNA level, FO ingestion affected lipid metabolism-related enzyme activity; fatty acid ?-oxidation, -oxidation, and malic enzyme activities in the small intestine of mice fed the 8% FO diet were 1.2-, 1.6-, and 1.7-fold those in mice fed the 30% TG diet, respectively. These findings suggest that an upregulation of intestinal lipid metabolism is associated with the antiobesity effect of FO.

link: http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/...ct/137/12/2629

[Narkissos]

Have any literature...? Studies? etc?

More studies?

Ok:


Flachs P, Horakova O, Brauner P, Rossmeisl M, Pecina P, Franssen-van Hal N, et al. Polyunsaturated fatty acids of marine origin upregulate mitochondrial biogenesis and induce beta-oxidation in white fat. Diabetologia 2005; 48: 2365-2375.

Guo W, Xie W, Lei T, Hamilton JA. Eicosapentaenoic acid, but not oleic acid, stimulates beta-oxidation in adipocytes. Lipids 2005; 40: 815-821.

Thorsdottir I, Tomasson H, Gunnarsdottir I, Gisladottir E, Kiely M, Parra MD, et al. Randomized trial of weight-loss-diets for young adults varying in fish and fish oil content. Int J Obes 2007.

Couet C, Delarue J, Ritz P, Antoine J, Lamisse F. Effect of dietary fish oil on body fat mass and basal fat oxidation in healthy adults. International journal of obesity 1997; 21: 637-643.

Hill AM, Buckley JD, Murphy KJ, Howe PRC. Combining fish-oil supplements with regular aerobic exercise improves body composition and cardiovascular disease risk factors. 2007, pp 1267-1274.

Kim HK, Della-Fera M, Lin J, Baile CA. Docosahexaenoic acid inhibits adipocyte differentiation and induces apoptosis in 3T3-L1 preadipocytes. The Journal of nutrition2006; 136: 2965-2969.

Smith BK, Sun GY, Donahue OM, Thomas TR. Exercise plus n-3 fatty acids: additive effect on postprandial lipemia. Metabolism 2004; 53: 1365-1371.

[IM708]

Thank you, I learned something new today . I will definitely do some more research into that.

[Narkissos]

Thank you, I learned something new today . I will definitely do some more research into that.

np.

What you should research is fish-oil megadosing.

Some of the guys on my board ran some really high fish oil protocols.

There was a marked increase in bodyweight, with fat-loss as well.

Nutrient-partitioning was off the chain.

[jimmyinkedup]

hmmm ive heard similar things on the phospholipids in lecithin ...

[RATTLEHEAD]

It does aid in fat loss but not to any extent where you'd take fish oil alone to cut.

[Narkissos]

hmmm ive heard similar things on the phospholipids in lecithin ...

Funny you should say that... I'm a heavy lecithin user/advocate as well.

[Narkissos]

It does aid in fat loss but not to any extent where you'd take fish oil alone to cut.

I'm not sure what this statement's trying to say.

Does anyone depend on any one compound/supplement/dietary change to cut?

No.

An individual who's trying to get ripped will cut calories, manipulate macronutrients, attempt bump insulin sensitivity (via multiple pathways) and mediate estrogen etc. all in an attempt to get shredded.

Isn't this the case?

Clearly one wouldn't just add fish oil and click your heels together chanting "there's no place like lean... there's no place like lean."

That being said, if you think stimulants are essential while cutting... you're misguided.

[RATTLEHEAD]

i dislike stimulants. diet is over 90% attributed to the cutting progress made. i was just saying, you wouldn't suggest someone just take fish oil. the thread is called "best supplement for fat loss" and your answer was "fish oil".

[VeraDeMilo]

np.

What you should research is fish-oil megadosing.

Some of the guys on my board ran some really high fish oil protocols.

There was a marked increase in bodyweight, with fat-loss as well.

Nutrient-partitioning was off the chain.

Narkissos, What type of doses were they running for their megadose and what was the duration. Curious because I take 3-5 grams of fishoil a day but have never gone much higher than that. I would be interested in trying it though.

[meangene1975]

Man Im so confused. What do i take?

[Narkissos]

i dislike stimulants. diet is over 90% attributed to the cutting progress made. i was just saying, you wouldn't suggest someone just take fish oil. the thread is called "best supplement for fat loss" and your answer was "fish oil".

Sure i would.

You clearly haven't been on my forum.

[Narkissos]

Narkissos, What type of doses were they running for their megadose and what was the duration. Curious because I take 3-5 grams of fishoil a day but have never gone much higher than that. I would be interested in trying it though.

Let's see.

My low-dose protocol was 30grams per day. (+36 gr of lecithin)

One guy on my forum was running 90grams (in an attempt to get 30-45gr of *****-3s)... another guy cruises at 50 grams.

I have my clients run at least 30 grams. (w/ added lecithin)

[IM708]

Let's see.

My low-dose protocol was 30grams per day. (+36 gr of lecithin)

One guy on my forum was running 90grams (in an attempt to get 30-45gr of *****-3s)... another guy cruises at 50 grams.

I have my clients run at least 30 grams. (w/ added lecithin)

Thats not exactly cheap stuff not unless you know of a place that sells it for a bargain.

[T-MOS]

np.

What you should research is fish-oil megadosing.

Some of the guys on my board ran some really high fish oil protocols.

There was a marked increase in bodyweight, with fat-loss as well.

Nutrient-partitioning was off the chain.

what kind of doses would you advise Nark??

nevermind....i posted before reading all the way down