I used Spawn last year for a bulk and put on a good 15lbs If my memory serves me correctly. It was clean, dry gains. I decided to try this as a cutter and I am just amazed by this. Within 3 weeks, I lost a half inch on my waist and GAINED two lbs. What a fvcking drug! The only bad side effect is the terrible lower back pains, but it's worth it. I suggest everyone grabs this bad boy before it becomes extinct.