Starting with "The One"

**CBGB** · 03-17-2009, 12:03 PM

I just started on "The One" ( 17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol-3-hydroxyimine) yesterday. This is my first time taking anything that you can't buy at GNC. I hope this will be a true virgins perspective on it.
Stats:
30 years
3 years constant at the gym
No concerns with MPB
Weight yesterday was 165.5 lbs
about 14% B/F
5'10"
Probably classified as a hard gainer
I started last year at 156lbs

I believe the kicker here for me is the so called "mood elevation"
I am a pretty healthy guy with the exception of being Bi-polar.
So I am both anxious and concerned about what the outcome will be.
I understand that this will not be considered a true cycle, but it is the closest I can come to one right now and it may at least give some insight to how well this product works.

**Dukkit** · 03-17-2009, 12:09 PM

interested to see how it goes

**WOLFCRAFT** · 03-17-2009, 07:36 PM

Where did you read about the mood elevator?
I've heard Spawn can cause irritability, but I guess this doesn't?

**CBGB** · 03-17-2009, 08:54 PM

http://www.planetarynutrition.com/Th...supplement.htm

This page seems to have a lot of info.

**CBGB** · 03-18-2009, 10:54 AM

Day three.

Nothing different on weight. I didnt expect anything yet, so I am not suprised.
I woke up this morning with a massive headache and a couple pimples around my hairline. But, to be fair both of my children have been sick over the past couple of days. I am used to acne. I work around a lot of solvents and oils and rarely have clear skin. I just usually get them around my chin or neck.

I have upped my water intake. The suppliment company suggest at least 64oz water a day. I already take in 80oz a day. But that is my normal intake, and I am doing something abnormal for my body. So I added 16oz more to my intake.

**seriousmass** · 03-18-2009, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by CBGB190

Day three.

Nothing different on weight. I didnt expect anything yet, so I am not suprised.
I woke up this morning with a massive headache and a couple pimples around my hairline. But, to be fair both of my children have been sick over the past couple of days. I am used to acne. I work around a lot of solvents and oils and rarely have clear skin. I just usually get them around my chin or neck.

I have upped my water intake. The suppliment company suggest at least 64oz water a day. I already take in 80oz a day. But that is my normal intake, and I am doing something abnormal for my body. So I added 16oz more to my intake.

You won't see gains for another week or so.

I just ordered this stuff the other day, I can't wait to run it. I've been checking my tracking code everyday... lol.

I like PH, and apparently The One, is WAY better then Spawn.

**Dukkit** · 03-18-2009, 11:07 AM

so its a DHT based PH huh? so lets say i was gonna run a test and 19-nor cycle sometime in the near future... it would be an all around cycle if i threw in this DHT at the end also

sweet

**CBGB** · 03-18-2009, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by seriousmass

You won't see gains for another week or so.

I just ordered this stuff the other day, I can't wait to run it. I've been checking my tracking code everyday... lol.

I like PH, and apparently The One, is WAY better then Spawn.

I ordered mine last Friday and had it monday at 10am............Friggin sweet.
Wish I would have known it was going to be that quick. I would have been at home to get it. My wife opened it and I got the "how much money have you spent this month yak yak yak" speach. But, she still brought it to me.

**Dukkit** · 03-18-2009, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by CBGB190

I ordered mine last Friday and had it monday at 10am............Friggin sweet.
Wish I would have known it was going to be that quick. I would have been at home to get it. My wife opened it and I got the "how much money have you spent this month yak yak yak" speach. But, she still brought it to me.

haha

nag nag nag

**seriousmass** · 03-18-2009, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by dukkitdalaw

so its a DHT based PH huh? so lets say i was gonna run a test and 19-nor cycle sometime in the near future... it would be an all around cycle if i threw in this DHT at the end also

sweet

I'm going to use it to backload my cycle. when gains start to tapper off, kick up the intensity with the one. lol.

**Dukkit** · 03-18-2009, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by seriousmass

I'm going to use it to backload my cycle. when gains start to tapper off, kick up the intensity with the one. lol.

thats exactly what i was thinking about doing

**illwillogical** · 03-18-2009, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by seriousmass

I'm going to use it to backload my cycle. when gains start to tapper off, kick up the intensity with the one. lol.

Originally Posted by dukkitdalaw

thats exactly what i was thinking about doing

By backloading do you mean only start once gains off of your AS cycle have started to slow down?

**CHAP** · 03-18-2009, 12:06 PM

Don't drink with anything that has 17a - methyl in it . It being your first you might gain some weight . You bodtfat percentage should drop . Hope this is a good experance for you . I ran PH before I moved on to AAS . PH usuallt boost my strength in late 2nd week everyone is differant though.

**CBGB** · 03-18-2009, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by CHAP

Don't drink with anything that has 17a - methyl in it . It being your first you might gain some weight . You bodtfat percentage should drop . Hope this is a good experance for you . I ran PH before I moved on to AAS . PH usuallt boost my strength in late 2nd week everyone is differant though.

There is no alcohol in my diet. You could say that I have an allergy to it. And thanks, I'm pretty excited.

**CBGB** · 03-18-2009, 02:26 PM

By the way. I see "back pumps" as side effects on other forums but have no idea what they are. Anybody care to clue me in?

**TheJuicer** · 03-18-2009, 02:35 PM

"Back Pump" a massive pump in your lower back that can actually be painful. Can make it hard to Deadlift and Squat some days..

**Psylence** · 03-18-2009, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by CBGB190

By the way. I see "back pumps" as side effects on other forums but have no idea what they are. Anybody care to clue me in?

Back pumps can be your kidneys working hard. Most PH cause an increase in blood pressure (some more than others) and the increase can cause the capillaries? in your kidneys to hurt and this area is felt around the lower back. Taurine is thought to help because it causes vasodilation of the vessels.

**seriousmass** · 03-19-2009, 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by illwillogical

By backloading do you mean only start once gains off of your AS cycle have started to slow down?

umm kinda? it's like running it at the end of your cycle..

so if you're doing a test cycle for 12 weeks, you'd run The One for the weeks 9 - 12. (the opposite of front-loading) lol.

**CBGB** · 03-19-2009, 12:32 PM

My head has been killing me today so I went and checked my B/P on one of those machines at CVS. 141/73. Any ideas how I can bring it back down. Think I should lower my dossage to 2 caps instead of the recommended 3?

**CBGB** · 03-19-2009, 07:09 PM

Weight today. 167lbs. Had an awesome chest workout. I'm feeling strong.

**8iron** · 03-19-2009, 09:35 PM

suppose to get my order tomorrow, let me know how it keeps going for you. Im excited to try this stuff have heard good thing about it.

**cgreen** · 03-19-2009, 10:40 PM

i also just ordered "the one". what kind of pct would you guys recommend? please explain it so a newb will understand.

**8iron** · 03-21-2009, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by cgreen

i also just ordered "the one". what kind of pct would you guys recommend? please explain it so a newb will understand.

It comes with the free bottle of pct when u order it

**cgreen** · 03-22-2009, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by smoore990

It comes with the free bottle of pct when u order it

is that the only pct i need? i have tried a few searches on here but cant seem to find anything, maybe im just looking in the wrong places. also, what should i take for my liver during the cylce? just trying to do it right the first time. thanks in advance guys.

**dynamitekid** · 03-23-2009, 12:45 PM

take milk thistle every time you take a pill.
also 3-5g a day of taurine will help with pumps. i spread my doses of taurine and milk thistle out throughout the day. the only time i get any type of back pump is while im in bed at night and they usually aren't very bad at all.
this is with Spawn, by the way.

Good luck, bro!

**WOLFCRAFT** · 03-23-2009, 01:37 PM

Just took my first pill. Looking forward to seeing what kind of results I get!

**cgreen** · 03-23-2009, 01:42 PM

would it be dumb to take Hydroxycut while taking The One? the reason i ask is because it wouldnt hurt me to lose a little fat too. i assume it would probably be better to do the cycle then use hydroxycut.

**WOLFCRAFT** · 03-23-2009, 01:47 PM

Hydroxycut is crap if you ask me.

**cgreen** · 03-23-2009, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by WOLFCRAFT

Hydroxycut is crap if you ask me.

what do you recommend? besides a good diet and cardio.

**dynamitekid** · 03-23-2009, 03:50 PM

with proper diet and cardio i think that the one will lean you up a bit, too.

i personally wouldn't stack any type of fat burner with it. you would just be introducing more factors that can stress your body out in a time when it is already under a lot of stress due to the ph.

**cgreen** · 03-23-2009, 04:21 PM

cool, thanks for the info bro

**CBGB** · 03-23-2009, 09:19 PM

I was unsure about adding anything for energy. I want to add some weight so I didnt want to hurt that by adding any energy supps.

I weigh myself tomorrow so I will have an update

**WOLFCRAFT** · 03-24-2009, 12:54 AM

Workout today felt great, strength was up a hair, but this is very likely a placebo effect.

And if diet and exercise alone aren't cutting it (pun intended) then I'd go with clenbuterol or something that actually works. Hydroxycut is just alot of caffeine really.

**Tigershark** · 03-24-2009, 05:58 AM

Ordered mine this morning.

**dynamitekid** · 03-24-2009, 01:13 PM

I'm really considering ordering one soon just to have for future use. has anyone heard what type of sides should be expected from the one?

**WOLFCRAFT** · 03-24-2009, 02:07 PM

I'm a little worried about hair loss on this... it is a prohormone or DHT. Isn't that about as bad as it gets for hair loss?

**dynamitekid** · 03-24-2009, 02:27 PM

this is pretty interesting

http://www.ergo-log.com/theone.html

**RATTLEHEAD** · 03-24-2009, 03:04 PM

Wow. good read man. I've never been the biggest fan of PH's. They always seemed a little dirty to me.

**CBGB** · 03-24-2009, 04:55 PM

Wow, now I'm not sure what to do. Do I keep it up and see what happens or quit.

**CBGB** · 03-24-2009, 05:03 PM

Weight today 169lbs.
Bp is back to normal
Mood does seem to be elevated.
I am feeling pretty good. I did up my Niacin to 2000mg.
Still have all of my hair. lol