OAKG: L-Ornithine Alpha Keto-Glutarate; how to take it and when

[jg42058p]

hey,

I got some OAKG (aka OKG) or "L-Ornithine Alpha Keto-Glutarate" and
I am experimenting with various ways of consuming it.

My goals and purpose for using it are to stimulate my own growth hormone, IGF, and insulin production to help speed muscle recovery time.


I want to try to take in 20g OAKG per day. And if possible, maybe even more, perhaps 40g - if it would make a good difference.

Lately what I have been doing is I'd take 20g of it PWO, with some non-acidic apple juice (about 1 cup, containing 30g of sugar), and get it all down.

Then about 45 minutes later, I'll have a big bowl of oatmeal. The oatmeal contains about 2 full dry cups of oatmeal, and 1.5 cups of fat free milk - which gives about 36grams of protein and 126g of carbs.

Now I've read that you should wait an hour or so before or after taking any other form of protein aside from OAKG.

I'd like to take in more than 20g/OAKG per day, granted it would be more helpful. BUT I find that if I take in more than 20g at a serving, then it turns to diahrea. gross.


So I'm wondering how I should to do this.

My questions are:

Do you guys think its really important to not take OKG within an hour before or an hour after of taking other protein?

Is there anything I could mix the OKG with (meaning, take the OKG with some juice and then eat or drink something else), to help absorb it better so that it wouldn't turn to waste?

[Klimax]

If you take so much okg it will be wasted in any case with your money. You read about a substance wich increase gh and now you think that taking so much you'll increase your gh alot. If it were effective, there would be many bbuilders with diahrea. You can obtain great results with a good diet, training and a CLEVER supplementation, which won't increase dramatically your hormones, but will HELP to prevent catabolism and increase anabolism.

[jg42058p]

If you take so much okg it will be wasted in any case with your money. You read about a substance wich increase gh and now you think that taking so much you'll increase your gh alot. If it were effective, there would be many bbuilders with diahrea. You can obtain great results with a good diet, training and a CLEVER supplementation, which won't increase dramatically your hormones, but will HELP to prevent catabolism and increase anabolism.

Right; clever supplementation.

I have read a lot of studies that showed that 20g/day of OKG lead to a signifigant increase in IGF, insulin and HGH production in people who took it.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not expecting results better than if I were to take aritifical HGH or AAS, but I would like to have something to help the process a little.

I'm just wondering how I should take it to absorb it the best.

Should I mix it with Oatmeal? I'm thinking not since oatmeal has a little protein in it as well. It specifically says not to mix OKG with other forms of protein.


What I was thinking is taking it in 5g implements, 4x a day each with a 1/2 cup of apple juice

[Klimax]

If u really wanna take it, you can take it between meals with carbs, but also with oatmeal. Oats' protein are not animal so taking extra aminoacids you won't waste anything. If you take aminoacids with quality protein (milk, egg, whey, meat, fish) you'll waste them.

[Pro-Natural Science]

20 grams a day!? Why dont you try 1 gram pre-workout....then increase according to how you feel. Each day increase by 1 gram or 500mg's until you hit an amount that stimulates a response. I would not go as high as 20 grams.....unless you split it up into 5 grams morning, 5 grams pre workout, 5 grams afternoon, 5 grams before bed...