Creatine Ethyl Ester Malate?

[swol_je]

I am a non responder to creatine mono. I have tried CEE and had alittle gains. Has anyone heard of CEEM? If your just gunna post "just stick with monohydrate" save your time.

[DCannon]

Never heard of CEEM but have you tried Kre-Alkalyn? It might help more creatine reach your muscles before getting converted to creatinine. Just a thought.

[swol_je]

Never heard of CEEM but have you tried Kre-Alkalyn? It might help more creatine reach your muscles before getting converted to creatinine. Just a thought.

Yea its between the kre-alkalyn or CEEM I havent decided which one yet.

[Pro-Natural Science]

You could give Kre-Alkalyn Creatine a try....I've always been a fan of Di-Creatine Malate. Mono never seemed to work for me either unless i took a crazy amount of it. As for CEE i dont like anything ethyl ester...the science behind it just doesnt seem to make sense. The ester is supposed to make the creatine more absorbable....But creatine already dissolves quite easily in water. Creatine Malate is just creatine bound to malic acid. Why not try the Kre-alkalyn and or Di-creatine malate and see which one works best for you.

[swol_je]

Ok so I just purchased some Kre alkalyn. I got 240 caps for 25 bucks including shipping. Will post what I think of it when I finish. Remeber: I am a non-responder to creatine, so we will see how it goes.

[Pro-Natural Science]

Hey Swol i just remembered why CEEM rang a bell in my head! Awhile ago BSN was sued for marketing CEEM in their products. They called it "cem3". Check it out.

"BSN claimed to have a novel type of creatine called “Creatine Ethyl Ester Malate” (BSN calls this “CEM3″) in their 3 lead products - Nitrix, N.O. Xplode and Cell Mass. But a few supplement insiders said the CEM3 molecule was impossible to manufacture. Chatter began on the bodybuilding forums as self-professed chemists debated whether this molecule existed or not, and then one of them stepped up to challenge BSN with a lawsuit! A man named Michael Rivera decided to challenge BSN with a lawsuit on their claims of having CEM3 in their products. To do this, he launched a lawsuit against them, challenging them to refute his claim that CEM3 does not exist. To help his case, he brought a specialized chemistry professor from the University of California named Richard Chamberlin to battle BSN! According to court documents: “Chamberlin is one of the foremost experts in the study of small molecules and what they contain or could possibly contain.” Michael brought another chemical expert named Jonathan Vennerstrom to assist with the legal challenge. According to court papers, Jonathon had this to say to support the claim that CEM3 does not exist:

“… to form CEM3, one would first have to form the free base of creatine ethyl ester. And to do that you would probably start with the hydrochloride salt. In so doing, unfortunately, what instead happens is cyclization to form creatinine. So they you really – it’s really not possible to access or to form the creatine ethyl ester free base from which one would form these various salts, such as the salt with malic acid, which is the claimed structure for CEM3. It is impossible to form the free base of creatine ethyl ester. Since you cannot form the free base, it is therefore not possible to make various salts out of the free base.”
Vennerstrom testified that he based his opinion on his interpretation of a variety of laboratory test results produced by BSN and on his own test in which he followed the process described in the actual patent application filed by BSN on CEM3. Rivera has put forth evidence that the year after BSN starting advertising CEM3 in its products, sales of Cellmass increased 1,578%, sales of Nitrix increased 512%, and sales of N.O.-Xplode increased 177%.

Here are the court files.... http://nutrisuplaw.zoomshare.com/files/BSN.pdf

[swol_je]

WOW very interesting, because BSN still puts CEM3 on their bottles. I know it says CEM3 on there NITRIX bottles for sure.

[DCannon]

Keep us update on how the Kre-Alkalyn works for you. I bet it will help though.

Good luck swol je.

[Pro-Natural Science]

WOW very interesting, because BSN still puts CEM3 on their bottles. I know it says CEM3 on there NITRIX bottles for sure.

Really? Perhaps they are old products? It was proven impossible to create.