Fish Oil???

[jdmullins002]

What does fish oil exactly do? And should i take it while im on my cycle of test?

[lexruger]

good source of efa's

[Western Man]

Omega 3s can reduce the risk of coronary heart disease. I take two capsules/day

[gymfu]

fish oil is the bomb diggidy. i use it all the time. natural anti-inflamatory, good for heart and cardio vascular system, and most importantly helps your joints.

[gymfu]

just be careful not to use too much cuz it does thin your blood and could keep it from clotting!

[PetrX]

i take it everyday even thou it slows down muscle recovery , but it helps the heart and joints so eh ..its worth it

[C_Bino]

Fish oils are sources of superunsaturated fatty acids.

EPA and DHA; fatty acids with 5 and 6 double bonds respectively with the first double bond being at the 3rd carbon from the methyl end.

Our body can make these by converting other w-3 fatty acids but has a hard time doing so from seed sources (such as flax) fish have already converted it so we can take the full benefits from them.

They do many things but for bodybuilding they help us with:

Increasing protein synthesis
Reducing inflammation
Increasing oxygen delivery to cells
Increasing insulin sensitivity
Improving somatotropin output in response to sleep
Increasing hormonal regulation and output

Those are a couple...and NO you cannot overdose on fish oil, thats the dumbest thing people can ever tell you.

[C_Bino]

i take it everyday even thou it slows down muscle recovery , but it helps the heart and joints so eh ..its worth it

Slows down muscle recovery?

Do tell...

[terraj]

Fish oils are sources of superunsaturated fatty acids.

EPA and DHA; fatty acids with 5 and 6 double bonds respectively with the first double bond being at the 3rd carbon from the methyl end.

Our body can make these by converting other w-3 fatty acids but has a hard time doing so from seed sources (such as flax) fish have already converted it so we can take the full benefits from them.

They do many things but for bodybuilding they help us with:

Increasing protein synthesis
Reducing inflammation
Increasing oxygen delivery to cells
Increasing insulin sensitivity
Improving somatotropin output in response to sleep
Increasing hormonal regulation and output

Those are a couple...and NO you cannot overdose on fish oil, thats the dumbest thing people can ever tell you.

Whats your daily intake?

I recently increased to 10 grams...

Cheers

[stevey_6t9]

Slows down muscle recovery?

Do tell...

Dietary fish oil inhibits the early stage of recov... [J Nutr Biochem. 2009] - PubMed result

"Skeletal muscle recovery from disuse atrophy requires the recruitment of insulin signaling for muscle growth, which is driven by protein synthesis. Dietary fish oil, which is rich in long-chain n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids, is known to enhance insulin signaling and protein metabolism. Therefore, this study was performed to evaluate whether dietary fish oil facilitates muscle recovery during remobilization after disuse atrophy. Ten days of immobilization, followed by 3 or 13 days of remobilization, were applied to the hindlimbs of rats fed corn oil [corn oil diet group as control (CO)] or fish oil [fish oil diet group (FO)] as source of dietary fat. The immobilization-induced reductions in soleus muscle weight and myosin heavy-chain content were significantly restored by 3 days of remobilization in CO. However, in FO, these muscle recovery measurements did not significantly change until 13 days of remobilization. At 3 days of remobilization, both groups had significant elevations in p70 ribosomal S6 kinase (p70s6k) activation and at a greater extent in CO than in FO. The activation of Akt was also increased on Day 3, but it was not significant in FO. Throughout the remobilization period, levels of prostaglandin F2(alpha) (PGF2(alpha)) and cyclooxygenase-2 mRNA were significantly augmented. However, FO had a lesser increase in PGF2(alpha) than CO until Day 13. These findings indicate that dietary fish oil inhibits the early stage of soleus muscle recovery after disuse atrophy by suppressing the activation of Akt-p70s6k signaling and PGF2(alpha) synthesis."

Although they used a "disuse atrophy" model, it's the same thing as resistance training, because once the limb is not suspended anymore, they're essentially lifting weight. Activation of Akt is also very beneficial but was inhibited by FO.

Conditional Activation of Akt in Adult Skeletal Muscle Induces Rapid Hypertrophy -- Lai et al. 24 (21): 9295 -- Molecular and Cellular Biology



but then again theres alot of studies which shows it improves recovery...

[terraj]

Dietary fish oil inhibits the early stage of recov... [J Nutr Biochem. 2009] - PubMed result

"Skeletal muscle recovery from disuse atrophy requires the recruitment of insulin signaling for muscle growth, which is driven by protein synthesis. Dietary fish oil, which is rich in long-chain n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids, is known to enhance insulin signaling and protein metabolism. Therefore, this study was performed to evaluate whether dietary fish oil facilitates muscle recovery during remobilization after disuse atrophy. Ten days of immobilization, followed by 3 or 13 days of remobilization, were applied to the hindlimbs of rats fed corn oil [corn oil diet group as control (CO)] or fish oil [fish oil diet group (FO)] as source of dietary fat. The immobilization-induced reductions in soleus muscle weight and myosin heavy-chain content were significantly restored by 3 days of remobilization in CO. However, in FO, these muscle recovery measurements did not significantly change until 13 days of remobilization. At 3 days of remobilization, both groups had significant elevations in p70 ribosomal S6 kinase (p70s6k) activation and at a greater extent in CO than in FO. The activation of Akt was also increased on Day 3, but it was not significant in FO. Throughout the remobilization period, levels of prostaglandin F2(alpha) (PGF2(alpha)) and cyclooxygenase-2 mRNA were significantly augmented. However, FO had a lesser increase in PGF2(alpha) than CO until Day 13. These findings indicate that dietary fish oil inhibits the early stage of soleus muscle recovery after disuse atrophy by suppressing the activation of Akt-p70s6k signaling and PGF2(alpha) synthesis."

Although they used a "disuse atrophy" model, it's the same thing as resistance training, because once the limb is not suspended anymore, they're essentially lifting weight. Activation of Akt is also very beneficial but was inhibited by FO.

Conditional Activation of Akt in Adult Skeletal Muscle Induces Rapid Hypertrophy -- Lai et al. 24 (21): 9295 -- Molecular and Cellular Biology



but then again theres alot of studies which shows it improves recovery...

You really want to have a go at Bino again huh...

[bighital]

Im going out right now to buy some...Thank you for the info!!!!

[C_Bino]

Whats your daily intake?

I recently increased to 10 grams...

Cheers

I do between 30 and 50g daily depending on my training etc for that day.

[C_Bino]

You really want to have a go at Bino again huh...

LOL I just find it funny now. Again, people on the board can decide for themselves who to listen to.

There are studies that can prove almost anything. I have read studied in my day that can lead one to believe increasinf inflammation will speed up recovery.

What seasoned professionals will understand is what studies to take into consideration. Here is a study done on rats again, and does not prove that FBO SLOWS recovery. It says that there is a 10day gap between benefits between these 2 oils. In fact doesnt surprise me at all. Hell usually the benefits of FBO arent seen until 60-90 days of beginning use.

But whether this study is accurate or not, again we dont know the rest of the diet or whether it applies to humans and bodybuilding AT ALL, I would not recommend anyone use corn oil. It is almost guaranteed to be GMO corn and doesnt convert well into prostaglandins.

[stevey_6t9]

lol im not having a go.

im a big user of fish oil, i agree with him this time.

i was posting up the study for another point of view if people were interested.

[Animal1]

Whoa!!

30-50g daily? What's your caloric intake if I may ask?
I must admit that intake is alot! and usually super-dosing omega-3 isn't really a positive. (I've seen research and studies)

Not to sound mean just I'm worried for you.

Thank you.

I do between 30 and 50g daily depending on my training etc for that day.

[C_Bino]

Whoa!!

30-50g daily? What's your caloric intake if I may ask?
I must admit that intake is alot! and usually super-dosing omega-3 isn't really a positive. (I've seen research and studies)

Not to sound mean just I'm worried for you.

Thank you.

Why are you worried? What are the ill effects?

My caloric intake is around 4000.

[Animal1]

At that high amount of omega-3, it suppresses pro inflammatory eicosanoids which suppresses the immune system. 1-2 g marine n3 per day is more than enough. Otherwise eat a plentitude of Salmon which is high in omega-3.

But this is a arguable topic (about Fish oil) many super-dose other take minimal doses. It varies on your diet, caloric-intake and conditions.

Just curious that's it!!

Why are you worried? What are the ill effects?

My caloric intake is around 4000.

[C_Bino]

At that high amount of omega-3, it suppresses pro inflammatory eicosanoids which suppresses the immune system. 1-2 g marine n3 per day is more than enough. Otherwise eat a plentitude of Salmon which is high in omega-3.

But this is a arguable topic (about Fish oil) many super-dose other take minimal doses. It varies on your diet, caloric-intake and conditions.

Just curious that's it!!

Precisely!

It depends ENTIRELY upon nutrient intake and ratios between other fats.

So I take 50g from fish oil and another 50g from other oils/fats and I am putting myself at risk for something negative? Not a damn chance.

Its amazing to me how people tell me (and I do get this a lot) that I am overdoing the fish oils, I am gonna OD etc etc.

Ya thats makes perfect sense. I am gonna overdose taking 30g of GOOD oils spaced evenly throughout a 24hr period but you people who take in 30g of SHIT FAT from a bigmac in ONE SITTING arent gonna OD at all right?

Ya lets think about that for a minute here. 30g from fish over 24 hours or 30g from a big mac in 15minutes...

Or lets look at another example. People who drink 2 or MORE tablespoons of flax oil per day. So that right there is 30g plus of flax. Now whats the point of taking flax? To convert to EPA and DHA is it not? In fact thats what your body TRIES to do with flax isnt it? And it doesnt do a very good job at converting it either. But ya its a bad idea to take the equivalent in pure EPA and DHA and get the full benefits.