Ephedra is legal and available...

**magic32** · 09-19-2010, 12:38 PM

Contrary to popular belief/understanding, Ephedra is not an illicit or illegal substance. Due to the negligence of a few, this remarkable supplement was banned in the US, while having existed in China’s herbal & slimming teas and supplements for centuries (literally 300 years). This simply and very accurately means that it is illegal to sell Ephedra over-the-counter within the US and its territories.

The example I often give is that of the drunk driver commercial with the car filled with alcohol that pours out onto the highway. If a cop stopped you with that many Ephedra caps he’d ticket you for the stop and send you on your way, but if he caught you with a single Dbol tab and no script, he could legally arrest you.

I reiterate, the possession of Ephedra is not illegal, only the selling of it is subject to banning. I said that to say this, there are numerous online stores (a couple of which I and friends have authenticated) that legally sell numerous brands of the ECA stack, and though site rules may restrict my posting said sites. You can PM me for them and happy cutting!

Best to you.

**Fat Guy** · 09-19-2010, 12:59 PM

Supplements with ephedra had been banned in the U.S. However, you can still get products that are derivatives of ephedra, like ephedrine or pseudoephedrine (same as ephedra) that are over the counter at your local pharmacy stores mostly in nasal decongestants for cheap.

**magic32** · 09-19-2010, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Fat Guy

Supplements with ephedra had been banned in the U.S. However, you can still get products that are derivatives of ephedra, like ephedrine or pseudoephedrine (same as ephedra) that are over the counter at your local pharmacy stores mostly in nasal decongestants for cheap.

Not the same.

As stated, anyone interested in genuine Ephedra, not a mimicker or Ephedrine, drop me a line.

**Fat Guy** · 09-19-2010, 02:11 PM

I always thought it was the same??? When I take pseudoephedrine I get really amped to do my workouts (cardio or lifting)… I just thought it was a derivative of ephedra but had the same effect. Now I am curious? How is it different? Can you give an explanation? Thanks

**Bryan2** · 09-19-2010, 03:13 PM

pseudo ephedrine is NOT the same

Ephedrine is the standardized extract

ephedrine/ephedra is NOT banned in the US

it is only banned as a weight loss supplement

It is commonly sold now as an asthma relief supplement

**Failure** · 09-19-2010, 06:16 PM

Ephedrine HCL is in Primatene Mist tablets and Bronkaid. It is also easily bought from Internet resellers. The ban has been lifted for years. It is a controlled drug and you are only allowed so much per month because it is the main ingredient of Meth. People don't need source checks on Ephedrine, all they have to do is go to their local supermarket and pick it up.

**Fat Guy** · 09-20-2010, 01:12 AM

Originally Posted by Bryan2

pseudo ephedrine is NOT the same

Ephedrine is the standardized extract

ephedrine/ephedra is NOT banned in the US

it is only banned as a weight loss supplement

It is commonly sold now as an asthma relief supplement

So is ephedrine the same as ephedra? I always thought it was but ephedrine was just a derivative but did the same thing as ephedra.

**Failure** · 09-20-2010, 11:08 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephedra

One is man made and the other is an extract.

**SNRose07** · 09-20-2010, 01:16 PM

right, ephedra was taken to get the effects of its active ingredient, ephedrine. Man made ephedrine hcl is pure and can be taken at precise dosages. Ephedrine HCL is better.

**magic32** · 09-20-2010, 04:45 PM

Everybody that requested the two validated sites should have them by now.

Originally Posted by Fat Guy

I always thought it was the same??? When I take pseudoephedrine I get really amped to do my workouts (cardio or lifting)… I just thought it was a derivative of ephedra but had the same effect. Now I am curious? How is it different? Can you give an explanation? Thanks

Ephedra is the commercial name for the Chinese herbal stimulant ma huang.
Ephedrine is the active alk in it.
HCL is the pharm version.

Ephedra is nationally BANNED within the US, or my thread wouldn't make much sense now would it? A couple of states initally fought said ban and did get it overturned at the state level, but I'm not sure if that was sustained.

The variants above and really too many more to name (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/d...t-ephedra.html), along with numerous EPH mimickers including psuedoephedrine (sulfate & hydrochloride), Synephrine a.k.a. Bitter Orange, the amino acid L-Tyrosine, and many others are available in Eph-Free products and do work to a lesser extent. As indicated in other posts above, if taken in high enough dosages both Ephedrine and HCL will work.

But why bother when you can get ACTUAL EPHEDRA (at its true potency) in numerous stacks with several extras like Yohimbine, L-Carn, Green Tea, etc., from multiple brands w/o problems.

NOTE: BE SURE TO SEARCH FOR THE MOST EFFECTIVE BASE RATIO OR CLOSE TO IT, NAMELY 3:2:1
30 or 25mgs of Eph
200mgs of Caff
100 or 81+ (baby aspirin amt) of Asp

And, "no" I have nothing to do with these sites, brands or people who own them. I just prefer Eph to Clen and wanted to share some validated sites that I've been spreading to gym rats for years. I actually posted them a couple of years ago, if it wasn't edited.

Enjoy and best to you!

**Failure** · 09-21-2010, 02:47 AM

Because you can just make your own from the local grocery store. Why go through people or sites and pay shipping/wait time etc when you are allowed to buy it yourself. No Doz, Primatene mist and some asprin and you have your ECA stack.

If you are buying Ephedra, the leaves contain no/very little Ephedra Alkaloids. Basically just a marketing scheme to get you to buy it.

**dsldsl1980** · 09-23-2010, 10:04 AM

I like bronkaid best!

**magic32** · 09-29-2010, 07:20 AM

Glad that works for you.
To each his own!

**frawnz** · 09-29-2010, 08:14 AM

I always used bronkaid as well.

**magic32** · 12-08-2010, 10:13 AM

Bump.
Two validated sites and a host of different brands!

**luigimaster24** · 12-31-2010, 05:42 PM

PM sent !!! Thanks Magic!

**coonhunter** · 01-02-2011, 11:11 PM

sending pm now

**luigimaster24** · 01-10-2011, 07:58 PM

PM sent , no response as of yet.

**magic32** · 06-24-2011, 02:11 PM

Bump...great sites.

**magic32** · 03-19-2012, 01:01 PM

Bump.

**magic32** · 04-20-2012, 07:12 AM

Bumped for recent outbreak of Ephedra questions.

**Geezy** · 05-02-2012, 04:27 AM

PM'd you a couple of days ago...if anyone can relay the info to me, I'd really appreciate it as Im trying to get going on an eca stack asap.
thanks

**pregan** · 05-04-2012, 05:22 PM

Good to hear there's an easy way to get it again. I've used it with great results in the past. Tried the new stuff and it was junk.

**< <Samson> >** · 05-04-2012, 06:49 PM

Just go buy some Bronkaid at the CVS.

**Far from massive** · 05-04-2012, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by samson_420

Just go buy some Bronkaid at the CVS.

Why would you want to take an expectorant with your Ephedra?

In addition I am pretty sure the stuff has been pulled recently due to methheads.

PS Magic thanks for the thread and taking the time to repost despite the lack of love (for the information) LOL being shown.

**lovbyts** · 05-06-2012, 09:21 PM

Magic32,
Good write up on the DNP . It goet a little muddy for a while which way you were going with it but the last sentence sort of sums it up. Not worth it...
Good read and plenty of information.

Bottom line nothing beats a good diet for 99.9% of us.

**Alex201** · 06-21-2012, 12:06 AM

Magic, if possible send me the right way - shoot me a pm

**Ashop** · 06-21-2012, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Bryan2

pseudo ephedrine is NOT the same

Ephedrine is the standardized extract

ephedrine/ephedra is NOT banned in the US

it is only banned as a weight loss supplement

It is commonly sold now as an asthma relief supplement

Good reply and NICE avatar

**magic32** · 06-21-2012, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Magic32,
Good write up on the DNP . It goet a little muddy for a while which way you were going with it but the last sentence sort of sums it up. Not worth it...
Good read and plenty of information.

Bottom line nothing beats a good diet for 99.9% of us.

It goet a little muddy for a while which way you were going with it

I was simply being 'objective', and sometimes that means blurring the lines.
DNP is GREAT at doing what it alleges, thus it can seem as if I'm promoting it. However, the prevailing theme of the piece is that of 'a poison' which clearly indicates the opposite stance...and when coupled with the inability to sustain your rapidly and newly lost fat, the summation should be a no-brainer!

**magic32** · 06-21-2012, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Alex201

Magic, if possible send me the right way - shoot me a pm

Please clarify this request.
Right way to...

**rampaige77** · 06-21-2012, 07:13 PM

Ephedra is legal and available...-eca.jpg

i bought this here in washington over the counter it says Ephedra Extract 25mg

**Armykid93** · 06-21-2012, 09:31 PM

Whens the safe age for this stuff?

**Armykid93** · 06-21-2012, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by rampaige77

<img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=123971"/> i bought this here in washington over the counter it says Ephedra Extract 25mg

Is this real to? Is it any good?

**Alex201** · 06-21-2012, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by magic32

Please clarify this request.
Right way to...

Sorry... To a legit site with real eph

**Alex201** · 06-21-2012, 10:07 PM

Otherwise just thinking of doing eca stack via bronkaid

**rampaige77** · 06-23-2012, 07:48 PM

yea its real and i got another 1 stimerex it spins me out

**rampaige77** · 06-23-2012, 07:54 PM

oh they say "ephedra extract (leaves)" so there the ones that have something removed

200mg caffeen , probly why i dont like em

**magic32** · 09-24-2012, 01:03 PM

Bump.

**GeminiX** · 10-16-2012, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by magic32

Contrary to popular belief/understanding, Ephedra is not an illicit or illegal substance. Due to the negligence of a few, this remarkable supplement was banned in the US, while having existed in China’s herbal & slimming teas and supplements for centuries (literally 300 years). This simply and very accurately means that it is illegal to sell Ephedra over-the-counter within the US and its territories.

The example I often give is that of the drunk driver commercial with the car filled with alcohol that pours out onto the highway. If a cop stopped you with that many Ephedra caps he’d ticket you for the stop and send you on your way, but if he caught you with a single Dbol tab and no script, he could legally arrest you.

I reiterate, the possession of Ephedra is not illegal, only the selling of it is subject to banning. I said that to say this, there are numerous online stores (a couple of which I and friends have authenticated) that legally sell numerous brands of the ECA stack, and though site rules may restrict my posting said sites. You can PM me for them and happy cutting!

Best to you.

I am interested in the site to get these. IF anyone knows this please message me