jack3d

**dec11** · 09-26-2010, 01:08 PM

dont usually go for hyped products like this but after reading a good number of good reviews here, i bought some. first 10mins of training left me less than impressed, 10mins later i felt nausia coming on intensely, 10mins before my session ended i felt the drive and focus building up and 20mins after my session i was buzzing.

1. do most feel sick from this stuff?
2. i took it one hour before session, should i be taking it 1.5-2hrs beforehand?

**HawaiianPride.** · 09-26-2010, 01:12 PM

1. Nope.
2. 2 hours before? I wouldn't recommend it. That stuff absorbs quicker than you think

If it's not going well I'd discontinue immediately.

**dec11** · 09-26-2010, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

1. Nope.
2. 2 hours before? I wouldn't recommend it. That stuff absorbs quicker than you think

If it's not going well I'd discontinue immediately.

yeah, its like an anxious sickly feeling at the bottom of my stomach, i also felt quite aggressive and hyped up after my workout

**TRT2010** · 09-26-2010, 01:23 PM

this is my all time fav nos drink ever.. small scoops and it works almost right away.. i make my drink and drive 12 minutes to the gym and sip on it till i get to the tanning bed which is right next door. i finish it as i lay getting my bronze on and then g2g .. give it a few more days.. if you dont like it send it this way bro

**frawnz** · 09-26-2010, 02:05 PM

I love it. It definitely makes me nauseous though. I think I'm going to start taking it with a longer duration between consumption and when I start my workout, as I often feel the energy towards the end of my workouts or after as opposed to during the workout when I need it most. I feel energized and almost euphoric after. I've tried lots of supplements over the years and this is one of the few where I can feel tangible results immediately.

FYI, I use 2 scoops about 15 min prior to hitting the gym. Gonna try 45 min before hitting the gym and see how that goes.

**frawnz** · 09-26-2010, 02:07 PM

Also, the vitamin shoppe near me is always sold out of the grape flavor one that everyone raves about, so I'm stuck with the tropical punch one that tastes horrible. I wasn't sure if it was the product or the taste that was making me nauseous.

**marcus300** · 09-26-2010, 02:18 PM

Not tried but would like to, send it me if you don't use it again

**TRT2010** · 09-26-2010, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by frawnz

Also, the vitamin shoppe near me is always sold out of the grape flavor one that everyone raves about, so I'm stuck with the tropical punch one that tastes horrible. I wasn't sure if it was the product or the taste that was making me nauseous.

What! trop punch is bomb, but then again im only saying that caus ei tried lemon lime and it was frigen god awefull

**frawnz** · 09-26-2010, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by TRT2010

What! trop punch is bomb, but then again im only saying that caus ei tried lemon lime and it was frigen god awefull

lol, well everyone's tastes are different. I don't like even normal tropical punch, let alone a supplement flavored like it. The grape one is supposed to taste like koolaid though.

**fattymcbutterpants** · 09-26-2010, 04:21 PM

i find it a little weird the tropical punch was like a yellow color idk i always think of it as being more of a red color lol but who cares. When i dont feel like mixing it up i just put water in my mouth and put the powder straight in my mouth and take a scoop or two like that and just drink a bottle of water afterwards or on the way to the gym or something

**dec11** · 09-26-2010, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Not tried but would like to, send it me if you don't use it again

it works ok, just hit me most when id finished my workout unfortunatly, i did however manage to get those 101 chores done in the house and back yard after training, i was unstoppable lol. i did take it straight after breakfast though, might be why i felt so ill with it

**Ashop** · 09-26-2010, 07:47 PM

Does it leave you all hyped up?

**gregghowie** · 09-27-2010, 02:33 PM

If you think 3d is good then try Muscle Marinade! And you will look no further for a pre workout!

**bigjoe30** · 09-27-2010, 03:28 PM

who makes the muscle marinade?

**bigslick7878** · 09-27-2010, 03:31 PM

You can make your own "jack3d" for about 1/3 of the cost the USP costs.

It is not a secret formula and contains ingredients that are readily available.

**LBSOMEIRON** · 09-27-2010, 03:53 PM

Hype is def. worth it in my opinion. Best pre-WO supplement I've tried.

Only problem was it made me bloated. My brother reported the same, but I haven't heard anyone else say it.

Maybe genetic.

**HawaiianPride.** · 09-28-2010, 04:04 AM

It's the 10g's of CM that it contains that made you bloated.

**LBSOMEIRON** · 09-28-2010, 05:10 AM

Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

It's the 10g's of CM that it contains that made you bloated.

Ya know - I was thinking that, but I never had a problem with creatine before.

Maybe a ol' age?

**ghettoboyd** · 09-28-2010, 11:29 AM

op are you taking the jack3d on an empty stomack? that could be your problem...i take mine about 15 mins after my pre-workout meal and about 30-45 mins before i hit the gym and love the stuff...

**LBSOMEIRON** · 09-28-2010, 12:28 PM

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To:
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Hi,
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We have to take action and police our own industry. Anybody purchasing products from Purus Labs is partaking in behavior that will inevitably lead to the demise of our great dietary supplement industry. Yes, even if you personally, your store or gym or distribution center purchases a product like Muscle Marinade (that does not list steroids in the ingredient profile), you are:

Supporting clandestine drug labs and dealers.
Maybe purchasing supplements cross contaminated with anabolic steroids .
Maybe purchasing product purposely infused with anabolic steroids and or other drugs --Do you honestly think that a drug dealer cares if your supplements are cross contaminated by air born steroids or steroid residue from unclean manufacturing equipment? Do you honestly think that an anabolic steroid dealer wouldn’t purposely spike their Muscle Marinade with steroids?
McCain desires to radically alter DSHEA mostly to protect athletes from testing positive from taking adulterated dietary supplements. Therefore, Purus Labs and others like them need to be shut down NOW before McCain and other doping agencies attempt to shut down are entire industry!

You will notice that the Muscle Marinade white paper vehemently defends and justifies the use of the cheapest raw materials and bashes any raw materials that cost more than cheap Chinese creatine! It bashes COP (Creatinol-O-Phosphate) because COP cost roughly 20 times that of low grade creatine monohydrate. It also says that COP is NOT creatine which is scientifically inaccurate. Chemically speaking COP is deoxy-Creatine-O-phosphate. The author fails to understand chemical nomenclature and the power of such a unique bodybuilding and performance enhancing compound. The author further has failed to perform an exhaustive search of the available scientific database in regard to COP.

Creatinol-O-Phosphate, in addition to its cardio-protective effects, has been has also been shown to improve muscle development and increase the capacity of a muscle to perform physical activity. In one study, hand-grip strength was improved by Creatinol-O-Phosphate administration and while remaining unaffected in a placebo group (Nicaise J. Creatinol O-phosphate (COP) and muscular performance: a controlled clinical trial. Curr Ther Res Clin Exp. 1975, 17(6):531-4). Moreover, in another study conducted in elderly subjects, it was found that Creatinol-O- Phosphate improved muscular performance as compared to controls (Cavalieri U, Quadri A, Ghirardi F. Effects of creatinol o-phosphate on the muscle function of elderly people. The T! herapeutic Clinic. 1974, 69: 215-223).

These scientific references clearly indicate COP’s ability to increase strength and muscular performance that the author failed to include in his Mental Marinaded Madness!

Creatinol-o-phosphate was discovered and by a researcher by the name of Shotte in 1928 who observed its structural similarity to creatine. In vivo COP is similar to creatine in some ways and differs in others having unique and very interesting intrinsic properties! True legends in their own mind--self proclaimed internet gurus have erroneously concluded that, “if you look at the structures (of COP) you can easily tell it's just not creatine” because these chemistry challenged clowns have compared a creatine monohydrate molecule to COP rather than comparing COP with creatine phosphate. Therefore, these internet idiots have concluded that the molecular structures of creatine monohydrate and creatinol-o-phosphate aren’t similar—of course they are not similar in appearance because creatine monohydrate lacks a phosphate group. COP and creatine phosphate are very close in appearance because both compounds have a creatine and a phosphate group. Well neither does Fergilicious’ back side look like Jack Kavorkian’s; yet, Fergie’s backside has striking similarities to J-Lo’s -- no different that Creatinol-O-Phosphate’s striking similarities to Creatine Phosphate. And, that is because Creatinol-O-Phosphate is really DeoxyCreatine-O-Phosphate meaning structurally there is only one Oxide atom difference between COP and Creatine Phosphate and, therefore, can be oxidized into creatine. It shares a highly similar molecular structure to creatine phosphate and is believed to be synergistic with other creatine salts as proven with the finished product, NO-Shotgun®. Human subject studies performed at Baylor University prove that NO--Shotgun yields an unprecedented 515% increase in muscle gene proteins and 1,600% increases in muscle DNA –cutting edge science that the Muscle Marinade author fails to mention that is published scientific journal data!

COP, aka N-Methyl-N-(beta-hydroxyethyl) guanidine O-phosphate (creatinol O-phosphate) has proved to possess anti-ischemic (i.e. keep oxygen levels healthy) and anti-arrhythmic (keeps heart beating with more rhythm) activities associated with improved ionic balance and heart performance. These activities are more evident in pharmacological and clinical conditions involving a hypoxic damage of the heart muscle. When injected i.m., pharmacokinetic studies have shown that absorption of COP to be complete. COP is distributed in all organs, and in particular, in the kidney, liver and heart muscle. The results of the toxicological studies confirm that COP has no side effects and seems to be well-tolerated.(1) In fact, the action of creatinol-O-phosphate on the recovery of heart muscle contraction ability after ischemia (i.e. loss of oxygen) has been shown; thus, creatinol-O-phosphate could exert its cardioprotective effect by an action on anaerobic glycolysis according to one report.(2) As far as the safety of it in humans, the acute clinical tolerance to COP was investigated in volunteer human subjects without heart or renal disease and without other serious illness. COP was administered i.v. at three different dosages, 1020 mg (group A), 2040 mg (group B) and 3060 mg (group C), in comparison with a placebo (group D). Arterial pressure, heart rate, ECG pattern and a complete blood analysis showed no change at any COP dosage, with the exception of blood phosphate, which increased in groups B and C. Cumulative urinary excretion of phosphate and creatinine and diuresis increased (i.e. they urinated more), whereas other urine parameters did not change. Therefore, COP proved to be a very well tolerated drug without any evident side effect.(3) Other studies have that COP improved rhythm disturbances, chest pains and symptoms of contractility failure.(4) COP is an intercellular buffer (a characteristic similar to that of beta-alanine) and increases anaerobic glycolysis allowing you to train longer, harder (past typical sticking and failure points) and improving eccentric contraction – the negative movement in resistance training proven to be the most effective for building muscle!

References:

Marzo A, Ghirardi P. Pharmacological and toxicological properties of creatinol O-phosphate. A review. Arzneimittelforschung 1979;29(9a):1449-52.

Godfraind T, Saleh MM. Action of creatinol-O-phosphate on the contractility changes evoked by hypoxia and ischemia in rat isolated heart. Arzneimittelforschung 1984;34(9):968-72.

Melloni GF, Minoja GM, Lureti GF, Merlo L, Pamparana F, Brusoni B. Acute clinical tolerance of creatinol O-phosphate. Arzneimittelforschung 1979;29(9a):1447-9.
Barlattani M, Guglielmi G, Mammarella A. Creatinol O-phosphate therapy in patients with inadequate coronary circulation. Double-blind clinical trial. Arzneimittelforschung 1979;29(9a):1483-5.

In conclusion, this is just support for one of the compounds that the author bashes in his “white paper” misuse and abuse. The bigger picture is that we as an industry have to police ourselves and shut Purus Labs down immediately before new legislation is enacted that will destroy the ethical and outstanding companies of the dietary supplement industry! The exceptional companies and leaders of high moral and ethical character that make up 98% of the dietary supplement industry need to take a united stand against the dopes and dopers whose selfishness and lawlessness threaten to destroy our industry.

**LBSOMEIRON** · 09-28-2010, 12:29 PM

Just as a preface, I heard this stuff is insane.

**crf450x** · 09-28-2010, 07:23 PM

I like the white blue raspberry jack3d

**frawnz** · 09-29-2010, 08:00 AM

As much as I like Jack3d, the post workout nausea is killin me.

**dec11** · 09-30-2010, 08:34 AM

update. took it this morn on an empty stomach with a bottle of lucozade and had a fantastic workout, no sickness or anxiety, was grinding out those few extra reps with nice drive and control. must have been a tolerance thing with me, i generally dont do well with stims but the jack3d seems to be fine now after a few usages. cheers for the input guys

**LBSOMEIRON** · 09-30-2010, 08:37 AM

**Brewster** · 09-30-2010, 08:39 AM

I have taken NoXplode, Jak3d and Nano Vapour...
They all make me feel like shit

ECA, ECY even clen I found to work better

**CMB** · 09-30-2010, 08:46 AM

Am I the only one that feels my legs tingle after using it? seriously lol.

**dec11** · 09-30-2010, 09:17 AM

im guessing since this stuff is a cns stim, it shouldnt be used for lengthy periods?

**McFly** · 09-30-2010, 06:58 PM

If you finish one tub, do you guys suggest to go for a different pre workout supp or if jack3d worked continue on.

**HawaiianPride.** · 10-02-2010, 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by McFly

If you finish one tub, do you guys suggest to go for a different pre workout supp or if jack3d worked continue on.

If it ain't broke don't fix it.

**frawnz** · 10-04-2010, 07:34 PM

What is it in jack3d that causes the nausea? I have to discontinue using this product because every time I do I feel nauseous for the rest of the day.

**clipper252** · 10-04-2010, 08:22 PM

iv tried a few tubs of jack3d and it does work, but I would use NO Explode over it any day

**ar-gun** · 10-05-2010, 10:58 PM

jacked3d def a good supplement and dymatize xpand is another badass one try that next

**LBSOMEIRON** · 10-06-2010, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by clipper252

iv tried a few tubs of jack3d and it does work, but I would use NO Explode over it any day

Are you kidding me?

Hey, to each his own but I find that ridiculous....

**DeepBreath** · 10-06-2010, 01:05 PM

Finished a tub of Shotgun and then switched over to Jack3d. I like Jack3d much better and I'm only doing 2 scoops rather than 3. Takes about 45 minutes for me to really get going though. This weekend I took it along with a Kre Alkalyn supplement and had a unbelievable workout.

**l2elapse** · 10-06-2010, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by DeepBreath

Finished a tub of Shotgun and then switched over to Jack3d. I like Jack3d much better and I'm only doing 2 scoops rather than 3. Takes about 45 minutes for me to really get going though. This weekend I took it along with a Kre Alkalyn supplement and had a unbelievable workout.

this is my stack, 2 scoops of jack3d and 1500 mg Kre-alkalyn before for best workouts

**DeepBreath** · 10-07-2010, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by l2elapse

this is my stack, 2 scoops of jack3d and 1500 mg Kre-alkalyn before for best workouts

I love it. I don't think I'll be switching away from this anytime soon.

**ricksherryjosh** · 10-26-2010, 04:44 PM

I must admit I read the reviews on this last night. I bought and used the grape today. I am very impressed g2g.

**tito89** · 11-11-2010, 12:41 PM

I've tried No Xplode and Shotgun i have to admit shotgun is really good better than NO to me but then some of my friends told me about jacked and i had just run out of shotgun so went and bought one grape bubble gum i must admit taste is horrible i tried the tropical punch also n its disgusting but its not something i cant deal with i mean its not like your drinking it for pleasure lol so who cares if it taste bad and to someone who commented on the dymatize xpand i just recently started them and they are good i take them every morning with my jacked 20 min before working out by the time im at the gym im ready to go