Thread: First Cycle
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04-13-2011, 06:48 PM #1New Member
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First Cycle
Hi,
I'm new to steroids , and after a lot of research, found the only way to get an answer that is specific enough for me i needed to post my own question!
I'm male, 21yrs old, 171cm in height, 67-72kg.
I've been training for a about 4-5 years now, and as of late going very hard and eating heaps, trying to follow the diet article posted on here in-fact. Making sure to get about 180-200g of protein a day etc.
The only supplements I take are Whey protein powder and creatine (Although when i started the creatine i saw absolutely no difference in size/reps or weight (and i was taking it with a little bit of juice to help absorb)
The reason i have decided to start my first cycle is because i simply have not seen ANY gains for about 3 years, possibly very minimal, but no where near what i should be seeing considering i think I'm doing all the right things in terms of dieting and training very hard in the gym.
The only gains i was achieving were strength, even then at my peak all i was able to push out was 2 reps of 100kg on bench bench and curling 20kg dumbbells x10 reps.
The cycle i was planing to go on was Anavar , i've just got no idea how much, in what quantities or when i should be taking it.
I've done a lot of research, but didn't feel right starting it knowing the information wasn't specifically for me.
So basically my question is, can anyone help me with tips on how to do my cycle? And maybe how i should be performing my workouts while on it?
Sorry if any of the information is stupid or irrelevant, as i said this is my first cycle and I'm new to the forum.
Thanks guys!
(btw, should have mentioned i want to gain size, but i don't want to just bloat out) pick me up on anything i've missed out on..Last edited by matty burg; 04-13-2011 at 07:01 PM.
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04-13-2011, 07:57 PM #2
your problem is food,
you not eating enough,
you need more protein and carbs to bulk,
post your diet and we help you make improvements,
steroids won't do anything for you.
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04-13-2011, 08:37 PM #3New Member
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(7:00 am)
½ cup mixed whole oates and large table spoon of Quinoa with 100ml lite soy milk and fresh fruit
(9:30 – 10:00 am)
1 apple
Quinoa or salad or pasta
Either one chicken breast or one 125g Tuna
(12:00 – 1:00 pm)
1 apple
Quinoa or salad or pasta
Either one chicken breast or one 125g Tuna
(3:30 – 5:30 pm)
Either one can of tuna or (1/2) chicken breast [depending on whether or not I just had either of the 2, so I can interchange]
(6:30-8:00 pm)
Chicken (whole breast), Salmon(>300g) or Beef(>300g)
Mixed vegetable soup (including potatoes, sweet potato, beans, tomato, celery, spinach, chickpeas, carrot, zucchini, lentils) (don’t know how to describe how much of this I eat, but its HEAPS coz I love it)
(9:30-10:00 pm)
Protein shake w/water & lite soy milk (because this is right after my workout, I can only get to the gym about 8-8:30)
Sometimes some unflavoured natural yoghurt with oates/bran aswell
(try not to have too much right before bed because I find so much dairy gives me a bit of a sore stomach right before I lie down)
Obviously it’s not the same food EVERYDAY, but, that’s basically my diet.
I don’t eat junk food or drink soft drinks etc.
I don’t get to drink alcohol all that often either simply because I don’t have time to fit all the partying in my schedule.
Let me know if there’s other info you need.
Thanks for the reply
*Oh yer, and i used to run in the morning before breakfast and have a protein shake straight after as weel as my normal oates in the morning, but havent run in a few weeks now.Last edited by matty burg; 04-13-2011 at 08:41 PM.
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04-13-2011, 11:20 PM #4Senior Member
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Good God I hate deciphering these stats in metric numbers. lets see 171 cm equals.....5'7 and 67-72 x 2.2 = 147-158 lbs...I think. Pretty wide range of weight, which is it LOL.
Anyway you got a long way to go before you need any steroids . Keep lifting and eating like a horse for the next 4 years and you will be a solid 175.
Everyone at your age thinks "oh no I am never going to get any bigger!!" when in reality you will put on a massive amount of weight...naturally...until you are about 30. I was about 5'10 155 and skinny at 21, and by 25 I was up to 175 with no juice.
At only 5'7 and right around that same weight you will pack on the pounds EASILY over the next few years.
And you need a LOT more food then what you listed.
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04-13-2011, 11:33 PM #5New Member
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whats types of foods? won't i just be getting fat? lol
i don't want to just get a huge gut and maybe a little size on my arms.
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04-13-2011, 11:58 PM #6
I have seen much worse diets posted before by newbies and admittedly, yours do not look bad at all. The good news is you have successfuly sorted out the basics of a bodybuilder's diet on two levels: eat often and make sure most meals consist of protein and carbs. The bad news is your daily calorie intake is under what it should be for a hardgainer your age. I am obviously talking about the good calories in here, it is a great achievement on your behalf not be touching junk food/soft drinks/alcohol but your daily protein intake is lower than what it should be. Also, I can only make a guess about your daily carb intake and that it might also be lacking enough calories, since you have not posted your carb intake on a gr basis.
I will make the neccessary adjustments on your diet and post it.
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04-14-2011, 12:59 AM #7
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Wow! that's the most helpful and in detail response I've ever received over the net!
I have a question about the eggs, i was told by someone that once eggs are cooked (that is the clear part of the egg turning white), all the protein that the egg once had to offer is gone? and that you get the protein from the clear part while still clear?
Also it's hard to post the nutrition content of the veggie soup because it's all fresh veggies, nothing out of a can so i don't have any info written down for it!
But i can tell you it usually consists of about:
2 small potatoes
1 tomato
1/2 Cup mixed beans
1/2 a sweet potato
1 Onion
2 Carrots
Celery
and that makes a pretty huge pot, and i eat that over 2 days
Also, is it bad to be having my protein/yogurt right before bed? because i get home at about 10pm, and try to be in bed before 11 as i have a 6:40 wake up. I've read so many times that sleep is important for the body to recover and that 8 hrs is crucial.
That's also what makes the eating so many meals a day hard, because i leave the house at 7:20am and get home about 7-7:30pm.
Thanks again for your help
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04-14-2011, 01:35 PM #9
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04-15-2011, 05:42 AM #10New Member
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Is ricotta cheese also good at night? or not the same as cottage?
Thanks heaps for the tips Turkish Juicer, have it all written out so that i can follow the diet and will hopefully see some changes with hard work.
Also, this is my workout
day 1: chest, bi's, forearms
day 2: back, tris, shrugs
day 3: legs and abs
day 4: rest
Should i not be having this rest day? as it means I'm only doing one muscle group every 4 days?
I ask these questions in regards to my diet as well, i have seen on here a few different routines such as no rest days and up to 6 rest days.
Considering what I'm eating how should my routine look?
Thanks everyoneLast edited by matty burg; 04-15-2011 at 06:03 AM.
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04-15-2011, 07:00 AM #11
The first major difference between the two cheeses, is the materials or ingredients that are used to make them. Cottage cheese is made from the curd byproduct, although it also possesses some whey. On the other hand, ricotta cheese is the complete opposite of cottage cheese. Ricotta makes use of the whey byproduct of cheese making. Unlike the curds that are traditionally conceptualized as cheese chunks, whey is the liquid component that is being separated from the curds to make the ricotta cheese.
Cottage cheese is by far the superior pm protein choice for bodybuilders due to the facts that;
1. It has high content of casein protein, which is also known as slow digesting protein. Thus, casein in cottage cheese provides a constant and stable flow of amino acids to your muscles as you are sleeping, without spiking insulin .
2. You can easily get nonfat and/or 1% fat and low sodium cottage cheese, whereas it is really hard to find nonfat ricotta cheese, you simply have to hunt for it. Even when you find some, it is still inferior to cottage cheese from a nutritional perspective, especially regarding its protein content.
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04-15-2011, 06:02 PM #12Senior Member
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04-16-2011, 06:51 PM #13New Member
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So should i keep my same routine, and have 3 days rest?
In that case, how many different exercises should i be performing on just one muscle group? because at the moment i only do three as i struggle to find variety in exercises.
By the way, i have put on 5 kg's since eating like an animal for about 4 weeks, obviously none of it muscle, but any sign of a six pack is definitely gone lol
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04-16-2011, 07:31 PM #14Senior Member
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04-20-2011, 03:46 AM #15New Member
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Hey ladies and gents.
I've been following the diet pretty strictly, most of the time eating even more meat/fish then stated in the above, but am loving it because i love eating so that's all good!
I have definitely put on a bit of a gut though, and that i am not loving lol.
Is it possible i am eating too much? or too much of something in-particular?
Is it maybe because i am searing the chicken and meat i eat? (Using as least oil as possible without ruining all our pans)
Should i drop the oats in the morning? Or should i not have a piece of multigrain bread with my eggs in the morning?
OR
Should i not be eating that veggie soup i mentioned so late at night and strictly stick to only having cottage cheese?
sorry for having So many questions, but i really appreciate the help from whom i feel are people who really know what they're talking about.
*I realise this thread has become kind of a diet one and that it should be in the diet section but i wouldn't know how to move it there!Last edited by matty burg; 04-20-2011 at 03:51 AM.
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04-20-2011, 11:17 AM #16
We have indeed added a certain amount of calories in your diet by relatively incrementing your daily intake of complex carbs and protein. Now, you should know that many people experience what we call ''carb bloat'' after a carb meal even if it is a moderate portion. Carb bloat means your body holds water when you eat carbs and this situation completely depends on your body type as you may imagine. However, majority of humans do experience carb bloat. For the record, it is hence not surprising why so many people are loving the ''keto diet,'' once you remove carbs almost completely, you start to witness the decrement in overall bloat, convincing the keto dieter to be loosing BF rapidly. Most of the reduced body weight and hence the leaner image comes from the decrement in the bloat. So, do not worry about your disappearing six pack as you have mentioned, just make sure you workout your abs as hard as possible to maintain a certain amount of muscle mass underneath the water/fat. You can always start a cutting diet in the future when you feel the neccessity for it, but IMO lean bulking is by far more important as an initial phase in BB. Cutting can be always welcomed later...
In addition, with your new diet, you should be working out harder with increased weights and a more intense cardio to make the best of your adjusted current calorie intake. Lean bulking is what you wanted, lean bulking is what you shall have...Last edited by Turkish Juicer; 04-20-2011 at 11:20 AM.
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04-20-2011, 06:57 PM #17New Member
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Ok cool thanks again Turkish Juicer... that's one thing i have not been doing, cardio.
I used to do interval running for about 20-40 minutes in the morning before breakfast but after a few months got absolutely sick of it.
Should i start doing this again? And any harm in muscle building if it's before breakfast?
*also, "anabolic alternatives" on the Discount Supplements website caught my interest and was curious as to whether or not a product like this would have any affect? Does anyone have any experience?Last edited by matty burg; 04-20-2011 at 07:03 PM.
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04-20-2011, 11:38 PM #18
You may want to revisit your morning cardio sessions; however, do not feel forced to do intervals since this type of cardio does not have a scientifically proven angle in terms of being superior to that of regular cardio. I have done both types of cardio so far and results have been similar. Cardio is cardio, IMO. However, if you thing you will be performing HIIT type cardio, then you should certainly get about 2 servings of BCAA about 20-30 mins. before your cardio session to help your muscles fight catabolism, which may not be needed at all if your HR is going to be remaining at around 140. At any rate, a carb including breakfast is a must after a morning cardio session to reduce the effects of cortisol.
As for "anabolic alternatives" on the Discount Supplements website, I have no experience with those products. I am sure they will stimulate muscle growth as well as maintaining it; that is, if those products are actually capable of doing what the producer claim they are.
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04-21-2011, 07:09 PM #19New Member
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So everyone, here's my diet and how I'm incorporating it in with my training. I haven't hugely changed it but refined it a little to how it's actually being played out rather than how i want it to be... Please make changes where necessary
I figure it's easier if i post my workout here too as my diet is here, rather than post it in the WORKOUT QUESTIONS, that way changes can be made to either in accordance to eachother
Thanks heaps.
DIET:
(6:00 am)
• 4 aminomax 8000/1 protein shake with water
HIIT for 20 minutes (30 sec sprint, 90 sec jog, Repeat) x (how many mornings should I do this??)
(7:00 am)
• ½ Cup mixed whole oats
• Large table spoon of Quinoa
• Soy milk
• Fresh fruit
• 5 eggs (1 whole, 4 whites)
(9:30 – 10:00 am)
• Pasta
• Chicken Breast 150-250g
(12:00 – 1:00 pm)
• 1 apple
• Bulgur/ sweet potatoes / brown rice / whole wheat couscous / lentils / beans
• Big can tuna
(3:30 – 5:30 pm)
• Steamed veggies with EVOO / 20 almonds / Mixed Veggie soup
(6:30-8:00 pm)
• Salmon (>300g) or Beef (>300g)
• Salad with EVOO & Vinegar
• Small serving fresh veggies with Quinoa
Mixed vegetable soup
Gym Workout (5 day split)
(9:30-10:00 pm)
• Cottage cheese/yogurt
• Protein shake with ‘Light Soy’ and Water *Only after days with gym.. (I know it’s bad to be having this protein shake right before bed because it spikes insulin levels like you mentioned, but I don’t feel like I’d be getting enough protein from just cottage cheese after my workout?)
WORKOUT:
Arms
• 3x BB curl (10-8 reps)
• 3x Hammer curl (10-8 reps
• 2x Rope curl (10-8 reps)
• 1x Spider Curl (8 reps)
• 3x V-bar pushdown (10-8 reps)
• 3x Skull crush machine (10-8 reps)
• 3x Seated dip/Pushdown machine *not 100% sure what it’s called (10-8 reps)
Legs
• 3x 45° Legs press (10-8 reps)
• 3x Leg extension (10-8 reps)
• 3x Leg curls (10-8 reps)
• 3x Seated calve raises (10-8 reps)
Back
• 3x Lat pulldown (10-8 reps)
• 3x Seated row(10-8 Reps)
• 2x Wide grip body weight pull ups (10-12 reps)
Chest, Forearms, Abs
• 2x incline machine (10-12 reps)
• 2x Pushups (on fists 40-50 reps)
• Abs
• 3x Forearms arms rested on bench curling BB (10 reps forward and 10 reps reverse)
Shoulders, Traps
• 3x Seated shoulder press machine with free weights (10-8 reps)
• 3x Late raises arms bent at 90° (10 reps)
• 3 x Front raises (10 reps) *Do these with BB or Dumbbells? And if so separate or same time?
• 3x Shrugs
*Reason for not having a huge focus on chest is because it’s out of proportion to the rest of my body. It’s hard to the touch when tensing, but not a good shape. Instead of being ‘Square’ it more so sticks out. I want to be able to shape it.
Before I started working out I was pretty fat and had pretty big man boobs, now my chest has pretty much all tuned to muscle but not a great shape...Last edited by matty burg; 04-21-2011 at 07:14 PM.
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04-22-2011, 01:19 AM #21New Member
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DIET:
(6:00 am)
• 4 aminomax 8000/1 protein shake with water
HIIT for 20 minutes (30 sec sprint, 90 sec jog, Repeat) x (how many mornings should I do this??)You can do this as many times as you want and/or can handle throughout the week; however, you should certainly give it rest the day after your leg workout.
which would be better to take before this morning run? the aminomax 8000 tabs or just the whey protein shake with water (100% gold standard Whey)?
(7:00 am)
• ½ Cup mixed whole oats
• Large table spoon of Quinoa
• Soy milk 100 mL
• Fresh fruit 1 banana & handful of grapes OR handful of strawberries
• 5 eggs (1 whole, 4 whites)
(9:30 – 10:00 am)
• Pasta 36 gr
• Chicken Breast 150-250g
(12:00 – 1:00 pm)
• 1 apple
• brown rice 34 gr / lentils 34 gr / 4 bean mix 200 gr
• Big can tuna (185g: 36g PROTEIN, 5.3g FAT, 0g CARBS)
(3:30 – 5:30 pm)
• Steamed veggies with EVOO1 table spoon max / 20 almonds / Mixed Veggie soup
(6:30-8:00 pm)
• Salmon (>300g) or Beef (>300g)
• Salad with EVOO1 Table Spoon Max? & Vinegar
• Small serving fresh veggies with Quinoa
Mixed vegetable soup
Gym Workout (5 day split)
(9:30-10:00 pm)
• Cottage cheese 100-200gr
• Protein shake with ‘Light Soy’ and Water *Only after days with gym... (I know it’s bad to be having this protein shake right before bed because it spikes insulin levels like you mentioned, but I don’t feel like I’d be getting enough protein from just cottage cheese after my workout?) You can have as much Casein for a protein shake at this time of the day and it will not spike your insulin at all. Fast acting proteins like whey cause the spike, not Casein. This is whey protein though, specifically 100% Whey Gold Standard: 24g Protein, 5.5g BCAA's, 1g Fat, 3g Carbs
Maybe i should look into buying CASEIN PROTEIN instead of whey? as im going to be going to the gym late most of the time anyway
We cannot help out without you figuring the macros.
WORKOUT:
Arms
• 3x BB curl (10-8 reps)
• 3x Hammer curl (10-8 reps
• 2x Rope curl (10-8 reps)
• 1x Spider Curl (8 reps)
• 3x V-bar pushdown (10-8 reps)
• 3x Skull crush machine (10-8 reps)
• 3x Seated dip/Pushdown machine *not 100% sure what it’s called] (10-8 reps) It is called the dip machine.
Legs
• 3x 45° Legs press (10-8 reps)
• 3x Leg extension (10-8 reps)
• 3x Leg curls (10-8 reps)
• 3x Seated calve raises (10-8 reps)
Back
• 3x Lat pulldown (10-8 reps)
• 3x Seated row(10-8 Reps)
• 2x Wide grip body weight pull ups (10-12 reps)
Chest, Forearms, Abs
• 2x incline machine (10-12 reps)
• 2x Pushups (on fists 40-50 reps)
• Abs
• 3x Forearms arms rested on bench curling BB (10 reps forward and 10 reps reverse)
Shoulders, Traps
• 3x Seated shoulder press machine with free weights (10-8 reps)
• 3x Late raises arms bent at 90° (10 reps)
• 3 x Front raises (10 reps) *Do these with BB or Dumbbells? And if so separate or same time?
• 3x Shrugs
*Reason for not having a huge focus on chest is because it’s out of proportion to the rest of my body. It’s hard to the touch when tensing, but not a good shape. Instead of being ‘Square’ it more so sticks out. I want to be able to shape it.
Before I started working out I was pretty fat and had pretty big man boobs, now my chest has pretty much all tuned to muscle but not a great shape...
thanksLast edited by matty burg; 04-22-2011 at 01:22 AM.
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04-22-2011, 10:04 AM #22
1. The aminomax 8000 tabs will dissolve faster into the blood, hence making it a better choice for a pre-workout supp. It takes about 60 mins. for whey concentrates to dissolve into blood, on the other hand.
2. As for your 6:30-8:00 pm meal, if you are getting 90/10 lean beef you can be more generous with EVOO in your salad; however, 1 table spoon max. when you are having Salmon. I doubt I would need to specify why so.
3. Buy Casein. Whey is not a good choice of protein passed 6 pm if you ask me. You can drink Casein with confidence at any pm.
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04-22-2011, 10:45 AM #23New Member
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I am a young man of 25 years old. My weight is 65 kg and hight is 5.10". I am starting the first time cycling in the age of 17 years. Now a days I am expert in the cycling.
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04-23-2011, 03:21 AM #24New Member
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I think i might stick to the diet for a few years and see where that gets me, simply because of the things I've read around this site about age and also because i just don't know enough about it to get myself out of trouble if something went wrong during a cycle.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to try it, it interests me A LOT, but i feel it's just too risk at the moment.
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Stupid question coming up... when eating egg whites, does one just throw away the yolk? For a hard up student, that seems a hard thing to do??
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04-25-2011, 01:13 PM #26
I give the yolks to my dogs, they love it and it is a great natural source of protein + fat for them.
Being a hard up student does not change the fact that egg yolks have a terrible fat-protein ratio, which is why most bodybuilders will only eat 1-3 of yolks at one sitting and eat the whites for the rest.
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04-26-2011, 11:32 PM #29
Matty, do not take steroids !!!
I respect you, however I vehemently disagree with this statemtent. Muscle groups take between 48 and 96 hours to fully recover when given proper rest and nutritional requirements, to not train a muscle that is recovered and ready to be trained is undertraining and it will substantially limit your progress. Picture that your biceps is ready to be trained again within 48 hours and you wait 168 hrs to train it, you would miss 130 workout opportunities in one years time so basically taking three and a half years to accomplish what you could in one year. Overtraining is something that occurs through consistent exercising of a muscle group that isn't sufficiently recovered, and does not occur in a few months time. Undertraining is far more prevalent in weight lifters than overtraining.
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