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    Question Potassuim Dosage For Cramping?

    Gettin really bad calf, leg, & lower back cramping when I do cardio. I already take a ton of Taurine, drink a ton of water, & take a ton of other vits & supps; SO if I pound a banana or 2 then it breaks my fast at the most critical time, right before the workout!! Regular OTC potassium comes in 99mg tabs so how many of these should I take pre-workout??

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    How much is a ton of Taurine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    How much is a ton of Taurine?
    Lol a ton of money?

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    Between 6 to 7 grams of taurine.

    So how much potassium in mgs??

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    Start with a few hundred mg and increase if needed. That much taurine typically is plenty, I wonder if something else is going on...
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    Any chance it could have been low sodium instead of potassium?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AD View Post
    Any chance it could have been low sodium instead of potassium?
    Or even high Hematocrit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AD View Post
    Any chance it could have been low sodium instead of potassium?
    I wouldn't even know how to figure that one out!

    If it helps; I'm on 400mg Test-E & 30mg daily of Turinabol . I keep the T-bol dose low cause I know orals can cause this cramping, plus im only using both to boost performance in my BJJ clases!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by senior_xj View Post
    I wouldn't even know how to figure that one out!

    If it helps; I'm on 400mg Test-E & 30mg daily of Turinabol. I keep the T-bol dose low cause I know orals can cause this cramping, plus im only using both to boost performance in my BJJ clases!!
    How long you been on this cycle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    How long you been on this cycle?
    May 19th was first shot of test.

    Started the T-bols about 2 weeks ago.

    Calf cramps always existed anytime I ran on the treadmill mainly after hitting the mile mark & then im fighting thru the pain for the next 2. When the test kicked in, I was able to run farther & faster before the cramping occurred. (no back cramping yet)

    Started the T-bols round the 4th of this month which was when I let my body rest for the switchover to Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu classes on the 10th, mon thru fri. The immense cardio/endurance & core strength needed is off the charts which is why im keeping the dosage at 30mgs ED. Lactic acid builds up fast in my legs as I scrape by the warm ups & then there's a brief window that lets my legs recover, however the back cramps just get worse.

    Stats: 36yrs old, 6.0' 245lbs, have ran many cycles altho they were in my mid to late 20's as ive only ran one long TRT style test cycle in my younger 30s.

    Hope that's enough info for ya.
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    usually you lose sodium through sweating during exercise. potassium is usually lost if you're on a diuretic. like Aus said, it could even be a problem with your blood count.

    if you really want to get to the bottom of it, get some bloodwork.

    or you can rehydrate with isotonic drinks before and during exercise to cover all the electrolytes possibilities. if it still persist, you know its neither a potassium nor a sodium problem.

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    Would it help taking short breaks. No doc. But is it muscles starved of blood/nutrients etc?. Austinite u think maybe 3gs l citrulline to widen vessels for blood flow etc. Link it with arginine? Any of your super supps list help combat it.

    Hope u figure it out. I'd try n step back to look at what you changed when u initially got them. Even if its say. Cleaning up ur diet. Anything at all might give you that point at where it started to effect your cardio. But you wanna be able to change it by say upping a "natural" Supp. Or if its a blood problem fixing that etc.

    Hope u sort it mate

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    The idea that a lack of potassium is commonly the cause of muscle cramps is a myth.
    There is only anecdotal evidence that cramps are related to electrolyte balance (though adequate electrolyte levels will help prevent dehydration, which will definitely cause heat cramps).

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    Quote Originally Posted by AD View Post
    usually you lose sodium through sweating during exercise. potassium is usually lost if you're on a diuretic. like Aus said, it could even be a problem with your blood count.

    if you really want to get to the bottom of it, get some bloodwork.

    or you can rehydrate with isotonic drinks before and during exercise to cover all the electrolytes possibilities. if it still persist, you know its neither a potassium nor a sodium problem.
    The amount of sweat produced in an hour of BJJ can probably be measured by the gallon!!!

    I always get bloodwork as I just had it taken last week & am awaiting results. My last panel was spot on in every category.

    How about Pedialyte over Gatorade as I can pound one down before class??

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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorPectorial View Post
    Would it help taking short breaks. No doc. But is it muscles starved of blood/nutrients etc?. Austinite u think maybe 3gs l citrulline to widen vessels for blood flow etc. Link it with arginine? Any of your super supps list help combat it.

    Hope u figure it out. I'd try n step back to look at what you changed when u initially got them. Even if its say. Cleaning up ur diet. Anything at all might give you that point at where it started to effect your cardio. But you wanna be able to change it by say upping a "natural" Supp. Or if its a blood problem fixing that etc.

    Hope u sort it mate
    Diet is very clean as I just dropped 25 pounds BEFORE switching over from the gym to BJJ & ill prob drop some more from training.

    If u want my complete supplement/Vitamin list prior to exercise then here it is:

    Gear:
    -400mgs Test-E weekly
    -30mgs Turinabol daily
    -10mg GW-501516 daily (may discontinue due to low funds)

    Supplements Pre:
    -6g of Taurine
    -5g of Creatine Mono
    -4g of Citrulline Malate
    -3g Beta Alanine
    -2g ALC
    -1g Arginine (discontinued this cause its possible it may be giving me "the pump" feeling in my back)
    -Good old ECA stack 25/200/81mgs
    -Single dose of OxyElite Pro & Alpha-T2
    -Green Tea Extract/ Green Coffee Bean Extract/Raspberry Ketones

    Vitamins Pre:
    -2g Fish Oil
    -1g Vit-C
    -500mg Magnesium (upping to 1g)
    -99mg potassium x2 (upping to 4 tabs)
    -2000mcg B12
    -B complex triple
    -2000iu D3
    -600mg Calcium
    -1000mcg Chrom Pic
    -Bee Pollen

    I also take that dosage of Vits upon awakening & some of it prior to bed. I've been taking this pre-workout combo for quite a while but with adjusted dosages like upping the Arginine on lifting days & upping the endurance stuff on big cardio days. Now everyday is a cardio day as anyone who trains in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu will tell you!!! I basically used the gym for 3 months to loose as much fat, gain as much strength, & up my cardio output as much as possible in preparation to switch from the gym to BJJ full time. I may start adding in a day or 2 a week of heavy lifting like, deadlifts, squats, power cleans, etc, but not just yet. LIGHT WEIGHT BABY!!!

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    How do your workouts feel? Sluggish at all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    How do your workouts feel? Sluggish at all?
    Oh hell no!! For a big guy ive got plenty in the tank, BUT it mostly depends on who's teaching class as some really beat u up with the warm-ups & lactic acid sets in fast, but even the rough ones I can scrape by & use the time were being shown a new move to practice to recover & I only need a few minutes for the lactic acid to go bye bye. Its the back muscles that are tearin me down even now as I sit here there hurtin pretty bad from the week of torture! My only concern is that this might be a side effect of the oral Turinabol !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by senior_xj View Post
    Oh hell no!! For a big guy ive got plenty in the tank, BUT it mostly depends on who's teaching class as some really beat u up with the warm-ups & lactic acid sets in fast, but even the rough ones I can scrape by & use the time were being shown a new move to practice to recover & I only need a few minutes for the lactic acid to go bye bye. Its the back muscles that are tearin me down even now as I sit here there hurtin pretty bad from the week of torture! My only concern is that this might be a side effect of the oral Turinabol!!
    Interesting. What's with the high doses of Magnesium multiple times a day? You in the restroom every 5 minutes? You're taking a lot of good stuff but I think Magnesium timing can be somewhat counter productive (even if you don't feel it). It's a muscle relaxer, I usually only take it before bed. Great mineral tho.

    Sorry to get off topic!
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Interesting. What's with the high doses of Magnesium multiple times a day? You in the restroom every 5 minutes? You're taking a lot of good stuff but I think Magnesium timing can be somewhat counter productive (even if you don't feel it). It's a muscle relaxer, I usually only take it before bed. Great mineral tho.

    Sorry to get off topic!
    No, I take 500mgs of Magnesium upon awakening, 500mgs pre-workout, & 400mgs at night. I'm "thinking" of upping it to 1g pre-workout with hopes that it may help with my back.

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    Cool. I would read up on MG a little more. High doses are not an issue, but there is no need to split it up at all. I predict that although your workouts are great, they would be even better by eliminating it from your pre workout protocol.
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