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    Niacin a no no??

    Don't take niacin for heart health, doctors warn | Fox News

    Is this just more of the same type of articles we've been seeing lately such as recent articles suggesting that Vit D provides no real benefit? It seems to me that there seems to be real movement afoot to discourage people from using supplements or trying to take health into their own hands...even at the most rudimentary levels.

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    I'd take Niacin above a statin any day. Matter of fact, combining Slo-Niacin, Red Yeast Rice and NAC made a world of difference with my LDL particles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    I'd take Niacin above a statin any day. Matter of fact, combining Slo-Niacin, Red Yeast Rice and NAC made a world of difference with my LDL particles.
    Yep yep yep. Same here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    I'd take Niacin above a statin any day. Matter of fact, combining Slo-Niacin, Red Yeast Rice and NAC made a world of difference with my LDL particles.
    The active ingredient in red yeast rice is Lovastatin. Not all statins are the devil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonaparte View Post
    The active ingredient in red yeast rice is Lovastatin. Not all statins are the devil.
    I don't think he said statins are the devil...You're not a fan of statins either, you've said it many times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonaparte View Post
    The active ingredient in red yeast rice is Lovastatin. Not all statins are the devil.
    Yes, thankfully. The FDA has regulated the good stuff out of the RYR here. Jimmy turned me on to Hard Rhino RYR.
    The protocol mentioned completely turned my LDL particles from the worst category to the best category. With minimal use of RYR. Shocked me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Yes, thankfully. The FDA has regulated the good stuff out of the RYR here. Jimmy turned me on to Hard Rhino RYR.
    The protocol mentioned completely turned my LDL particles from the worst category to the best category. With minimal use of RYR. Shocked me.
    Love me some Hard Rhino powders. Problem is they have so many good ones I could get carried away and spend a small fortune. Even though they have great price IMO. The urge to save by buying in bulk adds up quickly...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OdinsOtherSon View Post
    Don't take niacin for heart health, doctors warn | Fox News

    Is this just more of the same type of articles we've been seeing lately such as recent articles suggesting that Vit D provides no real benefit? It seems to me that there seems to be real movement afoot to discourage people from using supplements or trying to take health into their own hands...even at the most rudimentary levels.
    A lot of the big pharma companies have 'interest' in most of these studies.
    They dont want the public thinking or knowing an herb can have drug like
    properties in some cases naturally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    I'd take Niacin above a statin any day. Matter of fact, combining Slo-Niacin, Red Yeast Rice and NAC made a world of difference with my LDL particles.
    Kel and I are having this very conversation in the PM over the last 24 hours and I have been speaking to a fellow cardiologist about this very publication. The published results DID should a significant increase in HDL and reduction in LDL. What people need to bare in mind is that cholesterol is ONE risk factor among many for cardiac diseases. It is not the only factor and obesity and hypertension would be equally, if not more issues to be concerned with.

    What people need to consider is that niacin buy itself may be an incomplete treatment protocol for managing cholesterol, or at the very least, incomplete as a single treatment for poor cholesterol.

    Moreover, there is never a single, out of the box solution that works for everyone. Niacin and RYR may work well for someone with moderately poor cholesterol but may be incomplete on their own for someone with very severe cholesterol profiles. Each person should monitor their cholesterol, blood glucose, and blood pressure, and follow appropriate and necessary care to maintain healthy levels.

    My LDL came back at 236 and my HDL 11 (an LDL above 130 is bad; above 190 SEVERE. Your HDL should be no less than 40). I damn near shit myself when I saw my labs. For the short term, I have started a course of statins (which I am not a fan of and rarely prescribe) but will increase doses of krill oil, RYR, and niacin until I achieve the desired outcome and gradually phase the statins out.

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    I also think an expanded Lipo Profile (VAP or NMR) is a great tool to use to see exactly how your particles stack up. It's not simply about overall numbers.

    http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2007/...ort_vap_01.htm

    http://www.liposcience.com/nmr-lipoprofile-test
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    I also think an expanded Lipo Profile (VAP or NMR) is a great tool to use to see exactly how your particles stack up. It's not simply about overall numbers.
    Took the next words out of my mouth. Basic lipid profile provides limited info. For many it is a useful guide, but the more comprehensive test provides far great information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    I also think an expanded Lipo Profile (VAP or NMR) is a great tool to use to see exactly how your particles stack up. It's not simply about overall numbers.
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    Took the next words out of my mouth. Basic lipid profile provides limited info. For many it is a useful guide, but the more comprehensive test provides far great information.
    Kelkel and MuscleInk, sitting in a tree...
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Kelkel and MuscleInk, sitting in a tree...
    We WERE going to name the kid Austinite Junior.....but not NOW!!!!!

    ....and what happens in PM, stays in PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Kelkel and MuscleInk, sitting in a tree...
    I will not be home tonight with that attitude.
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