post workout carbs?

[CanadaStrong88]

Hey guys. Currently I use qse gold medal carbs with a scoop of whey post workout. Is there any benefit for a product like KARBION that's almost double the price or is it just great marketing? Thanks

[Mp859]

You are better off spending your money on food.

[Khazima]

Using carbs post workout is near pointless, yes it absorbs slightly better but it makes no difference on muscle building/recovery. The only reason anyone would need to have some carbs straight after a workout is if they're working out/exercising again later in the day and need to replenish their glycogen ASAP.

[zempey]

I use a half scoop of Vitargo pre/intra/post workout, but I wake up at 430 and train at 5am. I can't eat a meal before hand so I have been using this stuff, I like it, seems to help with energy levels and hunger issues before I'm done.

[Docd187123]

Using carbs post workout is near pointless, yes it absorbs slightly better but it makes no difference on muscle building/recovery. The only reason anyone would need to have some carbs straight after a workout is if they're working out/exercising again later in the day and need to replenish their glycogen ASAP.

It's not necessarily pointless just overhyped as in the belief that one needs to spike insulin. Raising insulin levels to 3-4x fasting levels is sufficient in minimizing proteolysis with elevated amino acid levels.

[Chicagotarsier]

The human body is a miracle. It can adapt to anything if in working condition.

The human body will tell you...if you listen..what it wants/needs. I do not like cookie cutter routines except when pressing weight now. I listen to my body and it will tell me if it wants something or not...

So I use KISS. 10x10 GVT 3 days a week with a macro and calories. Body adapted to this format and I have never been stronger in my life. I get ravenous after workout and consume 80% of my calories for the day immediately when back in the house...REAL food..not powder that has no absorption rate to the human body posted on it. I am sure there are those who feel eating 10 meals a day is better or just one meal a day....have to listen to YOUR body. If it likes it.....don't let Mikey try it.

[AllKindsOGains]

Food's the better choice (I really don't like drinking my calories) but Karbolic by pro-supps is good. Tastes amazing and if you mix it with whey and blueberries with a lil water you can make a pudding.

[Creech]

I usually have one of those recovery protein shakes straight after a workout and try eat a meal with a handful of carbs (vegetables) within an hour after leaving the gym. The amount of carbs depends on your goal.

[Times Roman]

if you eat right, really no need for these types of carbs post workout.

ideally, your simple carbs are coming preworkout, not post workout.

I feel like a preacher man how I hammer on the fruit, but it really makes a big difference for me. one or two bananas preworkout. Maybe one before I leave the house, and another as im walking in the gym. I literally stand outside, peal my banana, and I'm stuffing it in my mouth as I'm walking in. I'm an older bull, with a decent intensity level, and yet no gym fatigue. The whole point of the simple carbs is to prevent gym fatigue. And for me, the absolute simplest solution works perfectly. Bananas..... (and they only cost 65 cents a pound - how much does your pre/post workout cost per pound?)

[AllKindsOGains]

if you eat right, really no need for these types of carbs post workout.

ideally, your simple carbs are coming preworkout, not post workout.

I feel like a preacher man how I hammer on the fruit, but it really makes a big difference for me. one or two bananas preworkout. Maybe one before I leave the house, and another as im walking in the gym. I literally stand outside, peal my banana, and I'm stuffing it in my mouth as I'm walking in. I'm an older bull, with a decent intensity level, and yet no gym fatigue. The whole point of the simple carbs is to prevent gym fatigue. And for me, the absolute simplest solution works perfectly. Bananas..... (and they only cost 65 cents a pound - how much does your pre/post workout cost per pound?)

You prolly don't use a preworkout supplement then. Eating that close to your workout would prevent caffeine absorption into the blood for your workout, and I would throw up, especially on leg day. I usually wait at LEAST an hour after eating before hitting the gym. You need the carbs digested and in your blood before your in there to have them be effective for fatigue prevention.

[Times Roman]

You prolly don't use a preworkout supplement then. Eating that close to your workout would prevent caffeine absorption into the blood for your workout, and I would throw up, especially on leg day. I usually wait at LEAST an hour after eating before hitting the gym. You need the carbs digested and in your blood before your in there to have them be effective for fatigue prevention.

you are correct. I DO NOT put chemicals like that into my body.

why?

look at all these crazy ingredients. Do you know for a fact what they do, how they impact your body, and the long term health risks associated with taking them are:

NO Explode:

30 Servings Grape


Serving Size 1 Scoop (18.5 g)
Servings Per Container 30

Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Calories 30
Total Carbohydrate 7 g 2%‡
Vitamin D (as Cholecalciferol) 500 IU 125%
Vitamin B1 (as Thiamine HCl) 2 mg 133%
Niacin (Vitamin B3) 20 mg 100%
Vitamin B6 (as Pyridoxine HCl) 2 mg 100%
Folate (Folic acid) 200 mcg 50%
Vitamin B12 (as Cyanocobalamin) 6 mcg 100%
Pantothenic Acid 10 mg 100%
Calcium 90 mg 9%
Phosphorus 85 mg 9%
Magnesium 125 mg 31%
Sodium 140 mg 6%
Potassium 220 mg 6%


N.O.-XPLODE™ MASTER PERFORMANCE BLEND* 10.6 g

Myogenic Matrix* 5.5g **

Creatine Blend (Creatine Monohydrate, Creatine Anhydrous, Creatine Peptides [Hydrolyzed Whey Protein Isolate, Creatine Monohydrate] (CREActivate™)), Taurine, Di-Calcium Phosphate, Di-Sodium Phosphate, AstraGIN® Proprietary Blend [Astragalus membranaceus Extract (root), Panax notoginseng Extract (root)]


Endura Shot* 2.8g **

BETA Composite (CARN+™ Blend [Beta-Alanine (as CarnoSyn®) & Beta-Alanine HCl], Betaine Anhydrous (BetaPower®)), Potassium Bicarbonate, Sodium Bicarbonate, Magnesium Oxide, Cholecalciferol


N.O. Alpha Fusion 850mg **

L-Citrulline Malate, Danshen Extract (Salvia miltiorrhiza) (root), Grape Skin Extract, Phyllanthus emblica Extract (fruit) (CAPROS®), Hawthorn Extract (aerial parts), (1% Flavonoids), Folate


Thermic Energy* 745mg **

N-Acetyl Tyrosine, Caffeine Anhydrous, Grapefruit Bioflavonoids, Pterostilbene:Caffeine Cocrystal (PURENERGY™)


Shock Composite* 680mg **

DMAE Bitartrate (2-Dimethylaminoethanol), L-Lysine HCl, DL-Phenylalanine, Niacin, Calcium D-Pantothenate, Toothed Clubmoss Extract (aerial parts), (1% Huperzine A), Pyridoxine HCl, Thiamin HCl, Cyanocobalamin.


‡ Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet.
** Daily Value Not Established.

Other Ingredients:
Natural and Artificial Flavors, Citric Acid, Malic Acid, Tartaric Acid, Calcium Silicate, Silicon Dioxide, Sucralose, Acesulfame Potassium, FD&C Red #40, FD&C Blue #2.
ALLERGEN INFORMATION: Contains Milk ingredients.

[Times Roman]

I don't know half the shit they put in there. for example, wtf is "Toothed Clubmoss Extract"?

just because it sounds like it comes from a plant doesn't mean you should be taking it. after all, heroin comes from a plant, does it not? it's an extract that has been processed from an innocent little flower called a poppy.

what harm can there be in something as sweet as that" Opium poppy extract that has been processed?

Sounds simple enough, doesn't it?

[Khazima]

if you eat right, really no need for these types of carbs post workout.

ideally, your simple carbs are coming preworkout, not post workout.

I feel like a preacher man how I hammer on the fruit, but it really makes a big difference for me. one or two bananas preworkout. Maybe one before I leave the house, and another as im walking in the gym. I literally stand outside, peal my banana, and I'm stuffing it in my mouth as I'm walking in. I'm an older bull, with a decent intensity level, and yet no gym fatigue. The whole point of the simple carbs is to prevent gym fatigue. And for me, the absolute simplest solution works perfectly. Bananas..... (and they only cost 65 cents a pound - how much does your pre/post workout cost per pound?)

This has been my preferred method as of late, not specifically bananas or as I'm walking into the gym but I basically eat a decent sized meal, drink a coffee or an energy drink (I know I know) and head to the gym.

If I'm in a rush my go to food is bananas if I have any, I'll literally scoff two down and ride to the gym. It's a very noticeable difference to training fasted, which would go to show that I am indeed getting some energy from them.

[CanadaStrong88]

you are correct. I DO NOT put chemicals like that into my body.

why?

look at all these crazy ingredients. Do you know for a fact what they do, how they impact your body, and the long term health risks associated with taking them are:

NO Explode:

30 Servings Grape

Serving Size 1 Scoop (18.5 g)
Servings Per Container 30

Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Calories 30
Total Carbohydrate 7 g 2%?
Vitamin D (as Cholecalciferol) 500 IU 125%
Vitamin B1 (as Thiamine HCl) 2 mg 133%
Niacin (Vitamin B3) 20 mg 100%
Vitamin B6 (as Pyridoxine HCl) 2 mg 100%
Folate (Folic acid) 200 mcg 50%
Vitamin B12 (as Cyanocobalamin) 6 mcg 100%
Pantothenic Acid 10 mg 100%
Calcium 90 mg 9%
Phosphorus 85 mg 9%
Magnesium 125 mg 31%
Sodium 140 mg 6%
Potassium 220 mg 6%

N.O.-XPLODE(TM) MASTER PERFORMANCE BLEND* 10.6 g

Myogenic Matrix* 5.5g **

Creatine Blend (Creatine Monohydrate, Creatine Anhydrous, Creatine Peptides [Hydrolyzed Whey Protein Isolate, Creatine Monohydrate] (CREActivate(TM))), Taurine, Di-Calcium Phosphate, Di-Sodium Phosphate, AstraGIN® Proprietary Blend [Astragalus membranaceus Extract (root), Panax notoginseng Extract (root)]

Endura Shot* 2.8g **

BETA Composite (CARN+(TM) Blend [Beta-Alanine (as CarnoSyn®) & Beta-Alanine HCl], Betaine Anhydrous (BetaPower®)), Potassium Bicarbonate, Sodium Bicarbonate, Magnesium Oxide, Cholecalciferol

N.O. Alpha Fusion 850mg **

L-Citrulline Malate, Danshen Extract (Salvia miltiorrhiza) (root), Grape Skin Extract, Phyllanthus emblica Extract (fruit) (CAPROS®), Hawthorn Extract (aerial parts), (1% Flavonoids), Folate

Thermic Energy* 745mg **

N-Acetyl Tyrosine, Caffeine Anhydrous, Grapefruit Bioflavonoids, Pterostilbene:Caffeine Cocrystal (PURENERGY(TM))

Shock Composite* 680mg **

DMAE Bitartrate (2-Dimethylaminoethanol), L-Lysine HCl, DL-Phenylalanine, Niacin, Calcium D-Pantothenate, Toothed Clubmoss Extract (aerial parts), (1% Huperzine A), Pyridoxine HCl, Thiamin HCl, Cyanocobalamin.

? Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet.
** Daily Value Not Established.

Other Ingredients:
Natural and Artificial Flavors, Citric Acid, Malic Acid, Tartaric Acid, Calcium Silicate, Silicon Dioxide, Sucralose, Acesulfame Potassium, FD&C Red #40, FD&C Blue #2.
ALLERGEN INFORMATION: Contains Milk ingredients.

Very good point. I really do like my preworkout products but will try to ween myself off of them and switch to bananas. Have been doing 60g oatmeal and a banana blended about 45 mins before training and it works well.

[AllKindsOGains]

This has been my preferred method as of late, not specifically bananas or as I'm walking into the gym but I basically eat a decent sized meal, drink a coffee or an energy drink (I know I know) and head to the gym.

If I'm in a rush my go to food is bananas if I have any, I'll literally scoff two down and ride to the gym. It's a very noticeable difference to training fasted, which would go to show that I am indeed getting some energy from them.

That's interesting. When I train with food in my stomach I either feel nauseous, sluggish, or hypoglycemic. I wait at least an hour before I train after a meal, and if it has more than 50 grams of carbs, I wait around 2-3.

[zempey]

I am not giving up my pre workout drinks, I don't care what those ingredients are, they can't be that bad cause I have been taking them for years with no sides that I know of and I feel they work for me. To each their own though, everyone has what they feel works for them, and I honestly don't think these supps aren't bad for you in any way.

[Times Roman]

^the cocktail "phen phen" was all the craze a few years back. I mean, what harm can it be if your doctor prescribes it and endorsed by the medical community, right?

oh, except for that part of slowly damaging internal organs. but who gives a shit about that, right?

my point is, all these crazy chemicals out there that people take, who knows what the long term effects are.

another case in point.

like drinking out of those handy plastic containers? they're everywhere, including water bottles, and other soft flexible plastic containers. well, a chemical called phthalates leaches out of the plastic and into what you are drinking, effectively lowering your bodies ability to maintain normal T levels.

doesn't bother you?

it should. it bothers me. true, the government is trying to step up and minimize it's use. but it's difficult because it's everywhere, including that IV bag that use at the hospital.

what I'm trying to say is that all these crazy chemicals? who knows what long term impact it will have on you. So if these crazy chemicals and products being used have the potential to pose health risks (mainly because they are new and not well understood) and you feel like playing Russian Roulette because you feel it gives you a slight edge in the gym, be my guest.

Personally, I like to be responsible for knowing what I'm doing and how things effect me.

Good luck with your method mate
---Roman

[AllKindsOGains]

^the cocktail "phen phen" was all the craze a few years back. I mean, what harm can it be if your doctor prescribes it and endorsed by the medical community, right?

oh, except for that part of slowly damaging internal organs. but who gives a shit about that, right?

my point is, all these crazy chemicals out there that people take, who knows what the long term effects are.

another case in point.

like drinking out of those handy plastic containers? they're everywhere, including water bottles, and other soft flexible plastic containers. well, a chemical called phthalates leaches out of the plastic and into what you are drinking, effectively lowering your bodies ability to maintain normal T levels.

doesn't bother you?

it should. it bothers me. true, the government is trying to step up and minimize it's use. but it's difficult because it's everywhere, including that IV bag that use at the hospital.

what I'm trying to say is that all these crazy chemicals? who knows what long term impact it will have on you. So if these crazy chemicals and products being used have the potential to pose health risks (mainly because they are new and not well understood) and you feel like playing Russian Roulette because you feel it gives you a slight edge in the gym, be my guest.

Personally, I like to be responsible for knowing what I'm doing and how things effect me.

Good luck with your method mate
---Roman

Roman, I think that if I were to worry about little things like that, I would go crazy. Don't take life too seriously brother; no one gets out alive anyway.

[Khazima]

Roman, I think that if I were to worry about little things like that, I would go crazy. Don't take life too seriously brother; no one gets out alive anyway.

In the world of obsessive weight lifting/bodybuilding it's all about optimisation, all about getting the optimal results from every aspect of our lives. Drinking poison and damaging our internal organs is certainly not optimal, especially when it's relatively easily avoidable.

That is my opinion.

[CanadaStrong88]

Yeah I guess to each their own, benefits of both sides. I'm starting to only take preworkouts on days where I haven't had a fair amount of food before.

[AllKindsOGains]

In the world of obsessive weight lifting/bodybuilding it's all about optimisation, all about getting the optimal results from every aspect of our lives. Drinking poison and damaging our internal organs is certainly not optimal, especially when it's relatively easily avoidable.

That is my opinion.

So your eating completely organic, unprocessed foods, filtered water, and making sure that your not drinking it out of plastic water bottles right? If no, then your already wasting your time. There's "poisons" everywhere. A preworkout drink isn't the worst of them. But I respect your opinion.

[Khazima]

So your eating completely organic, unprocessed foods, filtered water, and making sure that your not drinking it out of plastic water bottles right? If no, then your already wasting your time. There's "poisons" everywhere. A preworkout drink isn't the worst of them. But I respect your opinion.

You have a point. You are right in how difficult it is to completely avoid these things but with many of them there are easy alternatives. Like buying less processed foods, making your own preworkout and using BPA free drink bottles. Also the point of this (unrelated to OP) subject is about preworkout and it's ingredients. Many times the manufacturers of these have absolutely no regard for the health concerns of their products. Pretty often some of these ingredients go unlabelled and contain methamphetamine like substances. It's crazy.

Why take those risks when you could just take some pure caffeine and arginine risk free?

[AllKindsOGains]

You have a point. You are right in how difficult it is to completely avoid these things but with many of them there are easy alternatives. Like buying less processed foods, making your own preworkout and using BPA free drink bottles. Also the point of this (unrelated to OP) subject is about preworkout and it's ingredients. Many times the manufacturers of these have absolutely no regard for the health concerns of their products. Pretty often some of these ingredients go unlabelled and contain methamphetamine like substances. It's crazy.

Why take those risks when you could just take some pure caffeine and arginine risk free?

I get ya. I just like the convenience of the drink. Guess when my internal organs shut down, that'll have to be how it happens lol.

[Docd187123]

So your eating completely organic, unprocessed foods, filtered water, and making sure that your not drinking it out of plastic water bottles right? If no, then your already wasting your time. There's "poisons" everywhere. A preworkout drink isn't the worst of them. But I respect your opinion.

Lol I was going to say the Same thing. I don't always use a pre workout out drink but with all the other unhealthy or detrimental stuff I do, cutting THe PWO drink will be one of the last things I do.

[zempey]

There is no proof either way if these are poison or not, I have been using them on and off for years with no known side effects. Plus, most if no all the food you eat is GMO and not labeled as such, that is way more poisonous.

[Khazima]

Tbh I drink preworkout as well, but if one has a cocktail of useless ingredients and one just has the basics, and they're the same price I'll go for the one that I know the ingredients of.

GMO foods have no negative health effects, it's been researched endlessly.

[zempey]

Tell that to the millions of cancer patients. May just be a coincidence, but the more gmo foods and the higher the cancer rates over the years. Mutate the genes in the food, cancer is a mutation of the gene. Just my opinion, not medically based, but it seems a bit fishy to me.

[Khazima]

Tell that to the millions of cancer patients. May just be a coincidence, but the more gmo foods and the higher the cancer rates over the years. Mutate the genes in the food, cancer is a mutation of the gene. Just my opinion, not medically based, but it seems a bit fishy to me.

There's too many variables to impact that (I haven't done the research either) but even smoking alone would have a tremendous impact on those numbers, as well as the fact that we have so many more people in the world now and all the people dying from cancer before we knew what cancer was and how to detect it.

[Lifted1]

just eat real carbs in the form of food..there's no substitute. I recently started eating after I wake up and more recently, right before the gym to add some extra cals/meals to my day. it takes just as much time to drop a piece of whole wheat bread in the toaster as it does to make a shake. grab a banana like TR and get some potassium too.

i've drank pw everyday for the last 3 years straight and while I agree the shit on the label is crazy sounding, it gives me the mental focus I need to get it done. At the end of the day we're all going out one way or another, just pick your poison.

[CanadaStrong88]

just eat real carbs in the form of food..there's no substitute. I recently started eating after I wake up and more recently, right before the gym to add some extra cals/meals to my day. it takes just as much time to drop a piece of whole wheat bread in the toaster as it does to make a shake. grab a banana like TR and get some potassium too.

i've drank pw everyday for the last 3 years straight and while I agree the shit on the label is crazy sounding, it gives me the mental focus I need to get it done. At the end of the day we're all going out one way or another, just pick your poison.

Yeah completely agree with that especially the pick your poison lol so true in this crazy world

[Lifted1]

^for sure brotha.

you can drink it if you have it, but it probably costs a bit more per serving than the real food equivalent. depending on the time of day you workout, there's lots of choices for pwo carbs

[Pericu]

Using carbs post workout is near pointless, yes it absorbs slightly better but it makes no difference on muscle building/recovery. The only reason anyone would need to have some carbs straight after a workout is if they're working out/exercising again later in the day and need to replenish their glycogen ASAP.

Listen to Khazima!
Furthermore, you don't need any kind of fancy supplement post workout. If you want to consume calories, do it with real food if you can.

[Rida5d]

I don't know half the shit they put in there. for example, wtf is "Toothed Clubmoss Extract"?

Lmao
No seriously , wtf is that clubmoss or whatever the name is ?

[Kurthero]

I get what the argument is on this post, and why putting shitty GNC products in your body can be a gimmick, in all fairness guys....this is a steroids website.

funny, just ironic.

+1 to bananas too.

[bartman314]

my understanding of the science and my own personal experience is that some carbs post workout provide an improved benefit over no carbs post workout. personally, i use a blend of dextrose and maltodextrin in a post workout shake, which i believe is a good balance between metabolic rate, ease of preparation and cost.

i found john ivy's nutrient timing to be very useful for specific recommendations and the underlying science.

[DCI]

My post work is 30g of whey protein isolate, 50g of fast carbs, 5g glutamine and 5g of creatine mono it's been a staple for over a year and imo works

[mr.slippyfist69]

When I train in the AM (which is 4:00) the only thing in my gut is black coffee and bananas and I've never had and fatigue issues in the gym ever. I do the same as roman and read whats in that stuff and just wonder what the hell i'm drinking/eating. As for post, leaving the gym its a shake always but when I get home during bulking I consume piles of food. fish, eggs, fresh veggies and anything else I can shovel into my mouth. When I was less in the know about sups I fell for the BCAA thing too, the fact is, if your not getting enough BCAA's your not eating enough of the right foods.

[Ashop]

You could use a carb supp but a solid car source from oatmeal or such is a great bargain
and works as good or better than anything.

[tcw]

I'M no scientist, but i know a little about my own body.

I noticed that after a Hard Work out, i can eat a hugh meal and digest it with no problem. Carbs and Protein. I don't do this after every workout...only the real Tough ones...where i have energy left to tackle the rest of the day. Seems to work for me. I don't do supplements after each workout. I was told by a Mr.Olympia winner (who happens to train at my gym), that most supplements are a waste of money. More-over, you don't even know what's in them.

You gotta experiment and listen to your body. Your stomach will let you know what is right.

[Times Roman]

So your eating completely organic, unprocessed foods, filtered water, and making sure that your not drinking it out of plastic water bottles right? If no, then your already wasting your time. There's "poisons" everywhere. A preworkout drink isn't the worst of them. But I respect your opinion.

First, I don't buy into the "organic" thought process. it's a marketing ploy to part you from your hard earned dollars.

WTF is an "organic" banana? I mean, you peal the skin off, so no contaminants, right? yet they charge 50% more for the label.

there is a big difference between the organic label, and growing food naturally, as "god" intended. organic food is still shipped all around the globe, stored in large containers, exposed to vermin and insects. If you were to instead buy from local growers that grow naturally from small family farms, you are way ahead of the organic label game.

Second, it is impossible to remove oneself from our toxic environment.

However, steps can be made to minimize some of the impact.

So, yes, we have a good water filter we drink from the house, instead of bottled water.

I eat whole, unprocessed foods for the most part, although sometimes I slip.

I try to only drink water, although sometimes i'll drink other things.

I detoxify for six months every two years with NAC. This eliminates much of the heavy metal accumulation in my body.

I don't smoke tobacco, nor anything else for the most part

I take a variety of meds to promote a healthy aging process, such as chol and BP.

I take resveratrol regularly for about ten years now

I am on hormone replacement therapy



My point is, you can attempt to retake some control of your life, or you can shrug your shoulders and say "no one gets out alive" and just leave it at that