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    views on creatine

    So is taking creatine worth taking...personally I think it works to a degree as its not expensive but I do like nos pre workout

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    Is as close to taking steroids as you can come without taking hormones (dont get me wrong, the effects/results are nowhere near similar). It really just fuels your atp (more energy). The size and strength you gain on it is mostly because of water weight. But after taking creatine for a while, you will have gained more muscle than you would "naturally", however we are not talking about much. I wouldnt spend money on it.

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    Definitely worth it IMO, it's incredibly cheap and proven to work in the majority of people. It's not a dramatic effect but it might mean 1 or 2 extra reps or a little more weight which in the long run adds up.

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    If you are a responder to creatine it can be worth it to supplement with it as you more than likely can't get enough through diet alone to mimic what supplementing with it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Docd187123
    If you are a responder to creatine it can be worth it to supplement with it as you more than likely can't get enough through diet alone to mimic what supplementing with it does.
    You know of any tests that can confirm your a responder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fitnesstrainer View Post
    You know of any tests that can confirm your a responder?
    Yeah, its actually really easy. You put the creatine in your mouth and swallow it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fitnesstrainer View Post
    You know of any tests that can confirm your a responder?
    The physiological characteristics of responders were classified using Greenhaff et al [58] criterion of >20 mmol/kg dry weight increase in total intramuscular creatine and phosphocreatine and non responders as <10 mmol/kg dry weight increase, a third group labeled quasi responders were also used to classify participants who fell in between the previously mentioned groups (10-20 mmol/kg dry weight).

    ^^^you'd have to measure your intramuscular creatine and phosphocreatine stores. If you tend to gain weight on creatine and lose it when you come off you're probably a responder or quasi-responder according to the criteria above but it's not as accurate a method of determine which group you fall into.

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    But yes I dfibatly think u can push that last rep out even if it is in your head, an extra rep-growth

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    creatine almost shut down my liver while at a training camp and every doctor will tell you extra creatine is useless your body makes more than enough naturally not knocking anybody just my experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woody127 View Post
    So is taking creatine worth taking...personally I think it works to a degree as its not expensive but I do like nos pre workout

    Its been proven effective time over. The price is very affordable now so I think its
    a great supplement. I use it typically OFF cycle for an extra natural boost in performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djgreen
    creatine almost shut down my liver while at a training camp and every doctor will tell you extra creatine is useless your body makes more than enough naturally not knocking anybody just my experience.
    Yes you can get creatine naturally from fish and meat , every doctor might tell you ' there's no need to take 5g a day of it as you get it naturally' but go and ask your doctor this .... " hey Dr.bigballs , if i take 5g of creatine mono hydrate a day will it make my muscles look more pumped" .... And i bet you he rips his top off slaps his balls on the table and tells you to hump his pumped biceps .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Docd187123 View Post
    The physiological characteristics of responders were classified using Greenhaff et al [58] criterion of >20 mmol/kg dry weight increase in total intramuscular creatine and phosphocreatine and non responders as <10 mmol/kg dry weight increase, a third group labeled quasi responders were also used to classify participants who fell in between the previously mentioned groups (10-20 mmol/kg dry weight).

    ^^^you'd have to measure your intramuscular creatine and phosphocreatine stores. If you tend to gain weight on creatine and lose it when you come off you're probably a responder or quasi-responder according to the criteria above but it's not as accurate a method of determine which group you fall into.
    Found this study a few days ago and thought it was interesting:

    Three weeks of creatine monohydrate supplementation affects dihydro... - PubMed - NCBI
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Found this study a few days ago and thought it was interesting:

    Three weeks of creatine monohydrate supplementation affects dihydro... - PubMed - NCBI
    That's interesting and to bi honest the first I've heard of it. I wonder how much if any significance this has? Time to do some digging. Thanks for the lead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Docd187123 View Post
    That's interesting and to bi honest the first I've heard of it. I wonder how much if any significance this has? Time to do some digging. Thanks for the lead.
    Thought so as well. Let me know if you find anything significant please.
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    At the end of that study it did say long term safety cannot be guaranteed that's all I was tryn to say I took 4-5 grams a day, and like I said your kidney/liver does not digest pure creatine Easley and it packed up leading to almost organ failure I spent 5 days in a hospital bad at 18 yrs old. do what you want its your body I was just sharing my experience im not the only person this has happened to either, other people have taken it long term have went to the doc and been told they have decreased kidney/liver function or almost none at all due to creatine
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    Quote Originally Posted by djgreen View Post
    At the end of that study it did say long term safety cannot be guaranteed that's all I was tryn to say I took 4-5 grams a day, and like I said your kidney/liver does not digest pure creatine Easley and it packed up leading to almost organ failure I spent 5 days in a hospital bad at 18 yrs old. do what you want its your body I was just sharing my experience im not the only person this has happened to either, other people have taken it long term have went to the doc and been told they have decreased kidney/liver function or almost none at all due to creatine
    Is likely the other way around. Those with decreased kidney and liver function have pre-existing issues that are exacerbated by creatine. In otherwise healthy adults it is safe for use.

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    But I had no pre existing conditions I was 18 my senior year at a app state football camp I Wresled to and had all kind of test done before I started and seemed healthy then to my kidney/liver have been tested since and are perfectly healthy now I haven't taken it in years most peoples body does not digest pure creatine easily

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Thought so as well. Let me know if you find anything significant please.
    I was thinking the same thing, and i don't think it would since test needs to be substantially raised for prolonged periods of time to have any real effect. Might attribute to a very small amount of actual extra muscle gain over time at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khazima View Post
    I was thinking the same thing, and i don't think it would since test needs to be substantially raised for prolonged periods of time to have any real effect. Might attribute to a very small amount of actual extra muscle gain over time at best.
    DHT have litle to no effects on muscle mass, it will however have impact on hair and acne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    DHT have litle to no effects on muscle mass, it will however have impact on hair and acne.
    Causing more or less?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khazima View Post
    Causing more or less?
    less hair, more acne

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    less hair, more acne
    Only if predisposed to it. Some will never have issues with high dht. Remember, dht is everywhere in your body except muscle and is vitally important. It gets a bad rap and really shouldn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Only if predisposed to it. Some will never have issues with high dht. Remember, dht is everywhere in your body except muscle and is vitally important. It gets a bad rap and really shouldn't.
    I'm ****ing predisposed to both ... half bald and still pimples FFS

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    Starting creatine next week, as Im off cycle now. It ussually bumps me around 2lbs heavier, its the water I lost from the cycle lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    I'm ****ing predisposed to both ... half bald and still pimples FFS

    * rant of the day *
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiid13
    Yes you can get creatine naturally from fish and meat , every doctor might tell you ' there's no need to take 5g a day of it as you get it naturally' but go and ask your doctor this .... " hey Dr.bigballs , if i take 5g of creatine mono hydrate a day will it make my muscles look more pumped" .... And i bet you he rips his top off slaps his balls on the table and tells you to hump his pumped biceps .
    What....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fadi1
    What....
    Basically in a nutshell saying " Yes creatine works " ( I may of been hyper when writing this lol )

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    Quote Originally Posted by woody127 View Post
    So is taking creatine worth taking...personally I think it works to a degree as its not expensive but I do like nos pre workout
    100% worth and has the most science behind it proving it works compared to all other supplements people throw their money at, plus its pretty cheap

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    EDIT: Double post, my bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synhax View Post
    100% worth and has the most science behind it proving it works compared to all other supplements people throw their money at, plus its pretty cheap. Only issue is water retention and bloat.
    Water retention is where the anabolic effect of creatine comes from. More intramuscular glycogen = better ATP synthesis = more reps basically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khazima View Post
    Water retention is where the anabolic effect of creatine comes from. More intramuscular glycogen = better ATP synthesis = more reps basically.
    Really? i thought it was just a side effect, didnt know it was necessary part of it. Thanks for the info!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synhax View Post

    Really? i thought it was just a side effect, didnt know it was necessary part of it. Thanks for the info!
    This is good if it happens to you meaning you are responding well to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Brown View Post
    This is good if it happens to you meaning you are responding well to it.
    good to hear, coz ive been bloated as f**** since starting taking again a month ago, plateaus been broken as well a couple wks since starting also a good sign!

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    Definitely it's worth taking. At least for me. It depends.

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