BCAA is scientificaly proved to be uneffective and counter productive !

**matri.x** · 07-25-2015, 07:35 AM

Greetings, friends.

BCAA is sold for Muscle recovery, improve performance, muscle growth and anti-catabolic (depend on the brand).

i spent more than 1 month searching for a prove that the BCAA actually works, well i couldn't find any strong evidence only some studies that suggest the BCAA improves recovery in theory or on rats. on the other hand i found a very strong study done on Athletes following a 8 weeks heavy training exercises and supplementing with 9 grams of BCAA a day and there were NO DIFFERENCE in body composition between the athletes who take BCAA or athletes who take placebo !

i'm gonna save you the headaches, here in my personal blog i mentioned 4 studies that don't accept doubt:

http://nizarscience.blogspot.com/201...f-placebo.html

i'm all ears listening to your comment but don't say a word before fully understand everything.

NB: i mentioned only 4 studies to save time, but i've found more than 10 proving the BCAA useless to promote muscle growth.

**djgreen** · 07-25-2015, 09:51 AM

I have used my body as research on this subject when I ran out of BCAA and protein powder and I didn't buy any more for over a month because I simply could not afford it at the time, and I noticed I did not gain as much so started using them again I don't think they are end all be all supplements but they do seem to help me grow slightly

**PrettyPlease?** · 07-25-2015, 01:45 PM

Not going to go to your link. Post the studies here?

**redz** · 07-25-2015, 02:23 PM

I posted something up a couple years back not sure if I can find it. They do help for sure but they don't make miracles happen.

**PrettyPlease?** · 07-25-2015, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by redz

I posted something up a couple years back not sure if I can find it. They do help for sure but they don't make miracles happen.

I agree... way too many studies that show they do work that is why i would like to see his studies citing that they do not.

**austinite** · 07-25-2015, 10:51 PM

You just echoed that page you linked...

**matri.x** · 07-26-2015, 02:07 AM

Here is my proofs, i got about 10-15 study and clinical trials that showed BCAA is Useless for MUSCLE GROWTH (they have other benefits of course).

1- a 6 weeks endurance training with 20 grams of BCAA a day

Result : no change in body composition between group that takes BCAA or the group who takes placebo

2- 8 weeks resistance training coupled with 9 grams of BCAA a day (4.5 g 30 min before and after workout)

result : no change in muscle mass or performance between the 2 groups

3- a 7 days supp with BCAA was ineffective to prevent Muscle Loss (anti catabolic effect ? NOP)

**matri.x** · 07-26-2015, 02:09 AM

give me a sec to post 25 post, then i will give you my links sorry guys

**matri.x** · 07-26-2015, 02:10 AM

Exactly, BCAA helps, but you wont get any gram of muscle from it. it stops muscle damage so you wont feel like a truck hit you after legs day

**AR's King Silabolin** · 07-26-2015, 03:11 AM

Originally Posted by djgreen

I have used my body as research on this subject when I ran out of BCAA and protein powder and I didn't buy any more for over a month because I simply could not afford it at the time, and I noticed I did not gain as much so started using them again I don't think they are end all be all supplements but they do seem to help me grow slightly

Same experiences. I never run out of protein powders, but for some periods i forget to buy bcaa. Then my workouts are not so good. Lack in strength, pump etc. Not major, but i feel its a difference. Same for Glutaminsupps and ofcourse creatin.

**matri.x** · 07-26-2015, 03:25 AM

here is the links guys :

Nizar Sport Science: BCAA ugly scam !

Nizar Sport Science: BCAA, power of the placebo.

enjoy readings

**AR's King Silabolin** · 07-26-2015, 04:02 AM

well, bcaa Works for me Couldnt even dream of training without glutamin, creatin and bcaa supps

**matri.x** · 07-26-2015, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by Silabolin

well, bcaa Works for me Couldnt even dream of training without glutamin, creatin and bcaa supps

it may helps you to get some pump on the GYM, but BCAA will never give you muscle. 2 thing that can deliver Muscle AAS and Protein

**djgreen** · 07-26-2015, 10:57 AM

of course it doesn't work as good as steroids ! but it does build muscle I don't care what any study says iv seen it and felt it personally

**matri.x** · 07-27-2015, 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by djgreen

of course it doesn't work as good as steroids! but it does build muscle I don't care what any study says iv seen it and felt it personally

How do you take your BCAA ? timing, meals ... perhaps you take BCAA with protein shake ? if so then it may help you slightly

**Khazima** · 07-27-2015, 05:28 AM

Science doesn't often work here, sorry to say.

I don't see where 'counter-productive' came into play, as in your title, ineffective for building muscle yes, it's actually a bit of a no brainer when you think about it too. We're literally eating protein just for the amino acid content. We're almost all eating too much protein as well, so these excess amino acids may have an indirect effect on helping with weight training but not what we think we're taking them for (muscle growth) since we're all basically maxing out the amount of amino acids our bodies are going to utilize towards muscle building anyway.

**kelkel** · 07-27-2015, 07:56 AM

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**jimmyinkedup** · 07-27-2015, 09:04 AM

If I recall they have a direct effect on AKT and mTor pathways which are known to be anabolic pathways. Its been years since I have looked into them to be honest. I have used them on and off but have not for some time. I sure dont see them being counterproductive in any way.

**matri.x** · 07-27-2015, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Khazima

Science doesn't often work here, sorry to say.

I don't see where 'counter-productive' came into play, as in your title, ineffective for building muscle yes, it's actually a bit of a no brainer when you think about it too. We're literally eating protein just for the amino acid content. We're almost all eating too much protein as well, so these excess amino acids may have an indirect effect on helping with weight training but not what we think we're taking them for (muscle growth) since we're all basically maxing out the amount of amino acids our bodies are going to utilize towards muscle building anyway.

Why i said "counter productive" is because there is a study concluded that BCAA reduce muscle damage done by exercices. but Why we go to gym anyway ? isnt to break down muscles so new fiber may grow ?

**matri.x** · 07-27-2015, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

If I recall they have a direct effect on AKT and mTor pathways which are known to be anabolic pathways. Its been years since I have looked into them to be honest. I have used them on and off but have not for some time. I sure dont see them being counterproductive in any way.

in theory You are absolutely right. Yes they do activate the key enzymes but somehow it cannot be translated to muscle synthesis. Many peer studies shows it does activate key enzymes but unable to affect body composition in anyway.

Sir, it can be counter productive since it reduce the muscle damage done by training, we go to GYM to do Damage to our muscles yes ?

**djgreen** · 07-27-2015, 09:26 AM

if you work hard nothing is going to stop muscle damage

**PrettyPlease?** · 07-27-2015, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by matri.x

Why i said "counter productive" is because there is a study concluded that BCAA reduce muscle damage done by exercices. but Why we go to gym anyway ? isnt to break down muscles so new fiber may grow ?

By reducing EIMD (exercise induced muscle damage) it means catabolism is reduced and recovery is enhanced. Both beneficial for building muscle.