What is Kratom? A beginners guide

[TKS]

WHAT IS KRATOM?


Kratom, or mitragyna speciosa, is a plant that was discovered by a dutch settler in the early 1800s. After its discovery, kratom leaves quickly became known as a source of energy and endurance by the natives who chewed the leaves on long treks through the jungles of Thailand. The leaves were traditionally chewed raw but may also be brewed into a tea or dried and ground into fine powder. In southern Thailand, the use of kratom has been common practice by natives for thousands of years. There is no stigma or discrimination attached to kratom use there, as its use is as common as drinking coffee in the United States. In fact, Thai employers in the 1800s were said to have preferred to hire workers who chewed kratom because they were found to be more focused and energetic.


KRATOM EFFECTS


Kratom can render both mildly stimulating effects and mildly relaxing effects depending upon the measurement used. At smaller amounts, the effects tend to be slightly more stimulating; and at larger amounts, the effects tend to be more relaxing. Most kratom users report an overall sense of well-being and willingness to work. Some have reported an increase in focus, attentiveness, and social confidence resulting from the responsible use of kratom.


KRATOM DOSAGE


Kratom dosage can vary depending upon the strength of differing kratom strains; however the majority of all-natural, organic kratom powders are effect at two to four grams which is one half to one full teaspoon. Kratom extracts can be effective at just one half gram to one full gram which translates to an eighth of a teaspoon and a quarter of a teaspoon.


IS KRATOM ADDICTIVE?


Kratom is a close relative to the coffee plant. Similar to the use of caffeine if kratom is used daily in large amounts, it can become mildly habit forming. Some have reported caffeine withdrawal to be far worse than kratom withdrawal; however, this can vary for each individual.


HISTORY OF KRATOM


In spite of the rich history and tradition of kratom within Thailand, the Thai government passed the Kratom Act 2486 on August 3, 1943. The Kratom Act made planting the tree illegal and required existing trees to be cut down. Currently, despite the government’s effort to control this indigenous tree, nearly 70% of adult males in southern Thailand use kratom daily – a practice that has continued from its origin to today without any reported case of death from overdose or negative side effects.
In 1979, kratom was scheduled in category 5 of the Narcotic Act, which also includes cannabis and magic mushrooms and is the least punitive category. As evidenced by the 2010 proposal from the Thai Office of Narcotics Control Board, which sought to decriminalize kratom and recognize its traditional use as part of fundamental Thai culture, the Thai authorities today consider the attempts at restricting kratom use as unnecessary and faulty.
The ONCB concluded that decades of widespread kratom use without any negative social impact and no harm found to the health of its users, made prohibiting the leaf counterproductive. The report also officially revealed what many students of kratom’s history have long suspected – that kratom was banned for economic reasons and not due to any concern over the health of the kratom user or its social impact. During the decades preceding the 1943 Kratom Act, the Thai government was collecting substantial tax revenue resulting from the opium trade. Due to the rise in opium costs and the discovery that kratom could relieve opium withdrawals, many users turned to kratom as a means to cure their addiction. This, of course, resulted in a decline in opium use and consequently a decline in tax revenue for the government. The following statement can be found in the ONCB report:
“In Thailand, kratom was first scheduled for control in 1943 under the Kratom Act. At the time, the government was levying taxes from users and shops involved in the opium trade. Because of the increasing opium costs, many users were switching to kratom to manage their withdrawal symptoms. However, the launch of the Greater East Asia War in 1942 and declining revenues from the opium trade pushed the Thai government into action to curb and suppress competition in the opium market by making kratom illegal.”




IS KRATOM SAFE?


When used in the historical sense, there has been no documented evidence that all-natural kratom leaf can cause any harm to its user. In addition, studies about the medicinal uses for kratom are on the rise. It has been long reported that kratom has been used to treat a myriad of ailments including but not limited to: diarrhea, depression, diabetes, obesity, high blood pressure, stomach parasites, diverticulitis, anxiety, alcoholism, and opiate withdrawal. In addition to the treatment of existing ailments, researchers are also beginning to study how kratom can promote healthier liver function, increased antioxidant levels, and increased levels of melanin for sun protection. Exciting new research about one of the active alkaloids in kratom, Catechin, has been linked to numerous health benefits. Perhaps one of the most intriguing is its effect upon stroke victims. There is a typical two to three hour time frame for the treatment of stroke victims, and epiccatechin was found to limit nuerological damage in mice when administered as long as three and a half hours after the stroke.

[TKS]

27 alkaloids within Kratom
Ajmalicine (Raubasine) : This hard-to-pronounce alkaloid enhances cerebral circulation through the blood vessels responsible for carrying blood through the network supplying the brain. Personally, I believe that this alkaloid may be responsible for rising the body temperature and giving you the feeling warm feeling associated with strains like Maeng Da.


This alkaloid is also an anti-adrenergic (at alpha-1) which means it inhibits the transmission of epinephrine and norepinephrine signals. This also categorizes it is a Sympatholytic, which is a class of substances that can be used as anti-hypertensives . They are also used to treat anxiety disorders. Anti-adrenergics are Alpha and Beta blockers which inhibit adrenergic receptors. Alpha and Beta blockers are both great for treating anxiety issues and can be effective in aiding people who suffer from PTSD. Alpha blockers in particular have been shown to help people who have issues with aggression, impulsiveness, emotional outbursts, and have also been effective in treating insomnia and nightmare episodes.


This alkaloid is also a sedative, anti-convulsant, and a smooth muscle-relaxer.


Ciliaphylline : This alkaloid is an antitussive which essentially means it’s effective against cough and cold symptoms. This could also suggest that it may be effective at preventing colds altogether.


This alkaloid is also an analgesic which is a substance used to relieve pain. This alkaloid represents < 1% of total alkaloids found in Kratom leaf.


Corynantheidine : This alkaloid is an opioid antagonist which are receptor antagonists that act on the opioid receptors. Some opioid antagonists are not pure antagonists but they do produce some weak opioid agonist effects, and can produce analgesic effects when taken in higher doses to people who’s bodies are not yet accustomed to opioids.


Corynoxeine : This alkaloid is a calcium channel blocker. This means that this substance blocks the movement of calcium through calcium channels, which ultimately aids in hypertension and reducing blood pressure. This is great for people with high blood pressure. This alkaloid represents < 1% of total alkaloids found in Kratom leaf.


Corynoxine A and B : This alkaloid is a dopamine mediating anti-locomotive.


Epicatechin : This alkaloid is an important one. It has many functions and it is also a substance found in dark chocolate. It is an antioxidant, and anti-aggregant, anti-bacterial, anti-diabetic (levels blood sugar), anti-hepatitic (counters the effects of hepatitis), anti-inflammatory, anti-leukemic (counters effects of leukemia), anti-viral, an alpha amylase inhibitor, and an anti-mutagen, which essentially means it contains micro-nutrients which act against mutagens that can damage DNA. These mutagens can be carcinogens and potentially cause cancer. This also means that this alkaloid can help to prevent cancer!


9-hydroxycorynantheidine : This alkaloid is a partial opioid agonist.


7-hydroxymitragynine : This alkaloid is the primary psychoactive in Kratom and is largely responsible for the changes in mood and assisting in depression and anxiety. It is also an anti-tussive, analgesic, and helps to reverse diarrhea. This alkaloid represents roughly 2% of the total alkaloid content in a Kratom leaf.


Isomitraphylline : This alkaloid is an immunostimulant, which is a nutrient that stimulates the immune system by inducing activation or increasing activity of its components. This alkaloid represents < 1% of total alkaloids found in Kratom leaf.


Isomitrafolnie : This alkaloid is relatively new in Kratom research, and there is not a lot known about it. This alkaloid represents < 1% of total alkaloids found in Kratom leaf.


Isopteropodine : This alkaloid is an immunostimulant, which works like Isomitraphylline.


Isorhynchophylline : This alkaloid is another immunostimulant. This alkaloid represents < 1% of total alkaloids found in Kratom leaf.


Isospeciofoline : I couldn’t find much information on this alkaloid but it has been found and identified within the Kratom plant. This alkaloid represents < 1% of total alkaloids found in Kratom leaf.


Mitraciliatine : I couldn’t find much on this one as well. This alkaloid represents < 1% of total alkaloids found in Kratom leaf.


Mitragynine : This alkaloid is an indole alkaloid which means it contains the structural moiety of indole. Many indole alkaloids also include isoprene groups and are then referred to as ‘terpene indole‘ alkaloids. This class of alkaloids is said to contain more than 4,100 different compounds which makes it one of the largest classes of alkaloids. Many of them possess significant physiological activity and some of them are used in medicine. The amino acid tryptophan is the biochemical precursor of indole alkaloids. Roughly 66% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom. Wowza!


Mitragynine oxindole B : This alkaloid is a 9-methoxy oxindole of the allo series obtained by synthesis from the knownallo indole alkaloid Mitragynine. There is some interesting information about it in a book called ‘The Alkaloids‘. Check it out, although it’s definitely not in human English… This alkaloid represents < 1% of total alkaloids found in Kratom leaf.


Mitrafoline : This alkaloid represents < 1% of total alkaloids found in Kratom leaf.


Mitraphylline : This alkaloid is another of the oxindole alkaloids and is another than binds itself to our opioid receptors, even though it is non-narcotic. This is another important player in the make-up of the Kratom plant. It is also a vasodilator, which means it widens the blood vessels and in particular large veins, large arteries, and smaller arterioles. This results from relaxation of smooth muscles within the vessel walls. This is beneficial because this activity lowers blood-pressure and increases oxygen intake. This alkaloid is also a muscle relaxer, a diuretic, anti-amnesic, anti-leukemic, and a possible immunostimulant. This alkaloid represents < 1% of total alkaloids found in Kratom leaf.


Mitraversine : Unfortunately, I couldn’t find anything on this alkaloid


Paynantheine : This alkaloid is also an indole alkaloid and a smooth muscle relaxer. This alkaloid respresents 8.6 to 9% of total alkaloids found in Kratom leaf.


Rynchophylline : This alkaloid is a vasodilator, anti-hypertensive, calcium channel, anti-aggregant, anti-inflammatory, anti-pyretic (fever reducer), anti-arrythmic (alkaloid that suppresses abnormal rhythms of the heart), and an anthelmintic (alkaloid that expels parasitic worms). This alkaloid represents < 1% of total alkaloids found in Kratom leaf.


Speciociliatine : This alkaloid is a weak opioid agonist. This alkaloid represents 0.8 to 1% of total alkaloids found in Kratom leaf.


Speciofoline : This alkaloid is a phenolic oxindole


Speciogynine : This alkaloid is a smooth muscle relaxer. This alkaloid represents 6.6% to 7% of total alkaloid contents of Kratom leaf.


Speciophylline: Indole alkaloid. Anti-leukemic. This alkaloid represents <1% of total alkaloid contents of Kratom leaf.


Stipulatine : Unfortunately, I couldn’t find anything on this alkaloid either.


Tetrahydroalstonine: Hypoglycemic, anti-adrenergic (at alpha-2), which means that it works by stimulating the sympathetic nervous system. The SNS is part of the automatic nervous system. The ANS helps to regulate your body’s reaction to stress or to an emergency. During these situations, the SNS releases chemicals called neurotransmitters from the adrenal gland. These chemicals act on your body to increase heart rate, sweating, and breathing rate, and decreases the digestion process. This is essentially, the fight or flight response. The chemical norepinephrine is the chemical that acts directly on the receptors. Kratom doesn’t make you feel like you’re on an adrenaline rush, but there might be enough of this alkaloid within the plant to stimulate the nervous system, which causes the stimulating effects when taking smaller doses. While Kratom does stimulate quite well, it doesn’t make your heart race and make you feel uncomfortable.

[TKS]

The two main compounds in Kratom are Mitragynine(this is the energetic, euphoric compound, malay kratom is a good one for this) and 7-hydroxymitragynine(this one is the painkilling, sedative compound, hulu kapuas is a great one for this)... In small doses(2-4 grams) kratom can be uplifting and euphoric. In larger doses(5-9 grams), kratom can become a great painkiller and sedative. Everyone responds differently to kratom. You might have to step down your dose, or that particular strain might just be a strain that doesent agree with you.So if you are contemplating using kratom for anything, do lots of research and know that it might take a little time to find the dose that is right for you, your "Sweet Spot"...
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Kratom has been used for the following...
Pain relief
Lessen anxiety
Curb appetite
Ptsd
Social lubricant
Sleep aid
Energy
Relaxation
Antioxidant
Focus
Concentration

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Kratom is used by everyone for many different reasons. Some people use it because they have a preexisting condition and are sick and tired of taking painkillers. Some people take it because they find it helps them with their depression and anxiety. Some people find that it makes them a lot more happy and productive at work. The reasons people use kratom could go on ad infinitum, but i will stop there for now and talk about the different strains of kratom...
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When talking about the vein color of kratom I am simply referring to the vein color of the leaf... There are three main veins. They are white, green and red. Here are the characteristics of each ...
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White veins are heavy on the energy and onset, but dont last as long as greens. You are more likely to get agitated and antsy with a white than any other vein color. With that being said, step up the dose slowly and see how your body adjusts... Not everyone responds to whites in this way, i sure dont! I love white veins!! White veins are not very painkilling either, so if you are looking for that, look towards a green or a red.
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Green veins are the most balanced strain you can get. They are long lasting, and in smaller doses euphoric and in larger doses sedative. The onset with green is strong and euphoric... The best of both worlds, they have painkilling effects of a red and energy of a white. Greens are my go to strain most of the time, and reds and whites i reserve for special ocassions.
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A good red vein can be a go to for relieving pain, anxiety, and insomnia issues. I reserve the reds for night time use to relax and ease the tension out of my muscles. For a more euphoric, and slightly more energetic red, get your hands on a good red thai!!

[TKS]

Good video that covers most of the questions

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=iNEWvBnAKi0

[almostgone]

Thanks for this, TKS. Especially interested in trying the red vein Kratom now. Do you prefer to wash yours down with water, cap it, or have you ever made a tea with it?

[NACH3]

Nice write up TKS... Chang wait to try it!

Seems the green indo/red Thai would be nice... I'm thinking of a lil more pain killing effects as well as the seditive aspect of it!

[InternalFire]

gotta read on this... later

[Marsoc]

27 alkaloids within Kratom
Ajmalicine (Raubasine) : This hard-to-pronounce alkaloid enhances cerebral circulation through the blood vessels responsible for carrying blood through the network supplying the brain. Personally, I believe that this alkaloid may be responsible for rising the body temperature and giving you the feeling warm feeling associated with strains like Maeng Da.


This alkaloid is also an anti-adrenergic (at alpha-1) which means it inhibits the transmission of epinephrine and norepinephrine signals. This also categorizes it is a Sympatholytic, which is a class of substances that can be used as anti-hypertensives . They are also used to treat anxiety disorders. Anti-adrenergics are Alpha and Beta blockers which inhibit adrenergic receptors. Alpha and Beta blockers are both great for treating anxiety issues and can be effective in aiding people who suffer from PTSD. Alpha blockers in particular have been shown to help people who have issues with aggression, impulsiveness, emotional outbursts, and have also been effective in treating insomnia and nightmare episodes.


This alkaloid is also a sedative, anti-convulsant, and a smooth muscle-relaxer.


Ciliaphylline : This alkaloid is an antitussive which essentially means it’s effective against cough and cold symptoms. This could also suggest that it may be effective at preventing colds altogether.


This alkaloid is also an analgesic which is a substance used to relieve pain. This alkaloid represents < 1% of total alkaloids found in Kratom leaf.


Corynantheidine : This alkaloid is an opioid antagonist which are receptor antagonists that act on the opioid receptors. Some opioid antagonists are not pure antagonists but they do produce some weak opioid agonist effects, and can produce analgesic effects when taken in higher doses to people who’s bodies are not yet accustomed to opioids.


Corynoxeine : This alkaloid is a calcium channel blocker. This means that this substance blocks the movement of calcium through calcium channels, which ultimately aids in hypertension and reducing blood pressure. This is great for people with high blood pressure. This alkaloid represents < 1% of total alkaloids found in Kratom leaf.


Corynoxine A and B : This alkaloid is a dopamine mediating anti-locomotive.


Epicatechin : This alkaloid is an important one. It has many functions and it is also a substance found in dark chocolate. It is an antioxidant, and anti-aggregant, anti-bacterial, anti-diabetic (levels blood sugar), anti-hepatitic (counters the effects of hepatitis), anti-inflammatory, anti-leukemic (counters effects of leukemia), anti-viral, an alpha amylase inhibitor, and an anti-mutagen, which essentially means it contains micro-nutrients which act against mutagens that can damage DNA. These mutagens can be carcinogens and potentially cause cancer. This also means that this alkaloid can help to prevent cancer!


9-hydroxycorynantheidine : This alkaloid is a partial opioid agonist.


7-hydroxymitragynine : This alkaloid is the primary psychoactive in Kratom and is largely responsible for the changes in mood and assisting in depression and anxiety. It is also an anti-tussive, analgesic, and helps to reverse diarrhea. This alkaloid represents roughly 2% of the total alkaloid content in a Kratom leaf.


Isomitraphylline : This alkaloid is an immunostimulant, which is a nutrient that stimulates the immune system by inducing activation or increasing activity of its components. This alkaloid represents < 1% of total alkaloids found in Kratom leaf.


Isomitrafolnie : This alkaloid is relatively new in Kratom research, and there is not a lot known about it. This alkaloid represents < 1% of total alkaloids found in Kratom leaf.


Isopteropodine : This alkaloid is an immunostimulant, which works like Isomitraphylline.


Isorhynchophylline : This alkaloid is another immunostimulant. This alkaloid represents < 1% of total alkaloids found in Kratom leaf.


Isospeciofoline : I couldn’t find much information on this alkaloid but it has been found and identified within the Kratom plant. This alkaloid represents < 1% of total alkaloids found in Kratom leaf.


Mitraciliatine : I couldn’t find much on this one as well. This alkaloid represents < 1% of total alkaloids found in Kratom leaf.


Mitragynine : This alkaloid is an indole alkaloid which means it contains the structural moiety of indole. Many indole alkaloids also include isoprene groups and are then referred to as ‘terpene indole‘ alkaloids. This class of alkaloids is said to contain more than 4,100 different compounds which makes it one of the largest classes of alkaloids. Many of them possess significant physiological activity and some of them are used in medicine. The amino acid tryptophan is the biochemical precursor of indole alkaloids. Roughly 66% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom. Wowza!


Mitragynine oxindole B : This alkaloid is a 9-methoxy oxindole of the allo series obtained by synthesis from the knownallo indole alkaloid Mitragynine. There is some interesting information about it in a book called ‘The Alkaloids‘. Check it out, although it’s definitely not in human English… This alkaloid represents < 1% of total alkaloids found in Kratom leaf.


Mitrafoline : This alkaloid represents < 1% of total alkaloids found in Kratom leaf.


Mitraphylline : This alkaloid is another of the oxindole alkaloids and is another than binds itself to our opioid receptors, even though it is non-narcotic. This is another important player in the make-up of the Kratom plant. It is also a vasodilator, which means it widens the blood vessels and in particular large veins, large arteries, and smaller arterioles. This results from relaxation of smooth muscles within the vessel walls. This is beneficial because this activity lowers blood-pressure and increases oxygen intake. This alkaloid is also a muscle relaxer, a diuretic, anti-amnesic, anti-leukemic, and a possible immunostimulant. This alkaloid represents < 1% of total alkaloids found in Kratom leaf.


Mitraversine : Unfortunately, I couldn’t find anything on this alkaloid


Paynantheine : This alkaloid is also an indole alkaloid and a smooth muscle relaxer. This alkaloid respresents 8.6 to 9% of total alkaloids found in Kratom leaf.


Rynchophylline : This alkaloid is a vasodilator, anti-hypertensive, calcium channel, anti-aggregant, anti-inflammatory, anti-pyretic (fever reducer), anti-arrythmic (alkaloid that suppresses abnormal rhythms of the heart), and an anthelmintic (alkaloid that expels parasitic worms). This alkaloid represents < 1% of total alkaloids found in Kratom leaf.


Speciociliatine : This alkaloid is a weak opioid agonist. This alkaloid represents 0.8 to 1% of total alkaloids found in Kratom leaf.


Speciofoline : This alkaloid is a phenolic oxindole


Speciogynine : This alkaloid is a smooth muscle relaxer. This alkaloid represents 6.6% to 7% of total alkaloid contents of Kratom leaf.


Speciophylline: Indole alkaloid. Anti-leukemic. This alkaloid represents <1% of total alkaloid contents of Kratom leaf.


Stipulatine : Unfortunately, I couldn’t find anything on this alkaloid either.


Tetrahydroalstonine: Hypoglycemic, anti-adrenergic (at alpha-2), which means that it works by stimulating the sympathetic nervous system. The SNS is part of the automatic nervous system. The ANS helps to regulate your body’s reaction to stress or to an emergency. During these situations, the SNS releases chemicals called neurotransmitters from the adrenal gland. These chemicals act on your body to increase heart rate, sweating, and breathing rate, and decreases the digestion process. This is essentially, the fight or flight response. The chemical norepinephrine is the chemical that acts directly on the receptors. Kratom doesn’t make you feel like you’re on an adrenaline rush, but there might be enough of this alkaloid within the plant to stimulate the nervous system, which causes the stimulating effects when taking smaller doses. While Kratom does stimulate quite well, it doesn’t make your heart race and make you feel uncomfortable.

So im going with ...that this is not ideal for working out lol...

[Juced_porkchop]

use with caution, it DOES case activation of Opioid receptors and has addictive qualities, it might not be an out right opiate but IS ACTS in much the same way (think SARMS to AAS) dont fool yourself you are still taking similar risks. would i rec it over needed oxy after surgery? sure i would, i do feel its a better option, but not a risk free one.. would i rec its daily use from pro workout to general mood elevation? hell no! thats a reckless marketing tactic that i see growing over the last year on the forums and it sickens me.. i have years of research on this plant and have even now over 6 strains stocked, but rarely use it.
is it a good compound? its a GREAT compound! wen used with respect and caution.

its also a good tool for weening off of heavy oxy/pain pill use and heroin. but again, used within reason and not as simply an alternative.

[InternalFire]

use with caution, it DOES case activation of Opioid receptors and has addictive qualities, it might not be an out right opiate but IS ACTS in much the same way (think SARMS to AAS) dont fool yourself you are still taking similar risks. would i rec it over needed oxy after surgery? sure i would, i do feel its a better option, but not a risk free one.. would i rec its daily use from pro workout to general mood elevation? hell no! thats a reckless marketing tactic that i see growing over the last year on the forums and it sickens me.. i have years of research on this plant and have even now over 6 strains stocked, but rarely use it.
is it a good compound? its a GREAT compound! wen used with respect and caution.

its also a good tool for weening off of heavy oxy/pain pill use and heroin. but again, used within reason and not as simply an alternative.

Gold^


all said reflects my current so far gathered knowhow on the subject, lots of contraversy out there, and seems like a good thing when used with real purpose, but when abused without the definite need for it its as dangerous as heroin can get regarding addiction.
I see lots folks stand up forward giving these facts in to the light but there most times comes the extinguisher party who are either related to sales/marketing or are addicts/abusers/heavy users or know no better/youngsters/immature people, and preach against the real facts detailing highly potential dangers this thing carries

[TKS]

Breaking news as of today!

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[InternalFire]

Breaking news as of today!

On track to be a controlled substance 9/30! The government is out to screw everyone again! Alot will lose there business like me but also have to resort back to big pharma for anxiety meds, pain meds, anti-depressants, and more! Please sign and confirm your email after, that's it your counted.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...le-i-substance

So is it your business or are you doing it to support your friends family due to loss of his life? Some conspiracy here already

[TKS]

I have a kratom business. I was given blackpantherusmc kratom to sell by his wife. It on a separate category on the site. I guess you got lost in the details somewhere.

[MuscleScience]

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[erny23]

Awesome info. It's interesting that higher doses will actually soothe the nervous system and reduce adrenaline levels. I've heard hallucinations and delusional thoughts are common with Kratom

[MuscleScience]

Awesome info. It's interesting that higher doses will actually soothe the nervous system and reduce adrenaline levels. I've heard hallucinations and delusional thoughts are common with Kratom

Kratom or Ketamine? I haven't heard that before.

[almostgone]

use with caution, it DOES case activation of Opioid receptors and has addictive qualities, it might not be an out right opiate but IS ACTS in much the same way (think SARMS to AAS) dont fool yourself you are still taking similar risks. would i rec it over needed oxy after surgery? sure i would, i do feel its a better option, but not a risk free one.. would i rec its daily use from pro workout to general mood elevation? hell no! thats a reckless marketing tactic that i see growing over the last year on the forums and it sickens me.. i have years of research on this plant and have even now over 6 strains stocked, but rarely use it.
is it a good compound? its a GREAT compound! wen used with respect and caution.

its also a good tool for weening off of heavy oxy/pain pill use and heroin. but again, used within reason and not as simply an alternative.

Ok, I gave ~ 5g of the green Kratom a try today. It does have a relaxing quality and definitely eased my lower back spasms and squashed some pain in my right quad. Definitely prefer it over having to take something strong like Lortab. I wouldn't have any problem getting a script for Lortab, but I just don't care for the way it or opiates screw up my guts.
Now, is it something I would want to use daily? I'll have to say no, not unless I had a chronic pain condition I was trying to manage w/o resorting to script pain meds.
It did a much better job of getting my back muscles to unlock/cease spasming than my muscle relaxers that I occasionally take, but without the grogginess that I sometimes get from Flexeril.
Would I feel safe giving my wife a 3-5 g dose when her arthritis is giving her grief? Absolutely!
Would I give her a 3-5 g dose and turn her loose on Amazon to do some shopping? Hell, no!
Again, I think it can be a very useful pain relief tool provided you can manage yourself, but I also agree with Juiced Porkchop's post above. If you have opiate dependency issues, this may not be for you.
Personally, I feel I can use it on a "as needed" basis, and then put it back in the cupboard until I had an issue w/ pain again.

[MuscleScience]

Ok, I gave ~ 5g of the green Kratom a try today. It does have a relaxing quality and definitely eased my lower back spasms and squashed some pain in my right quad. Deifintely prefer it over having to take something strong like Lortab. I wouldn't have any problem getting a script for Lortab, but I just don't care for the way it or opiates screw up my guts.
Now, is it something I would want to use daily? I'll have to say no, not unless I had a chronic pain condition I was trying to manage w/o resorting to script pain meds.
It did a much better job of getting my back muscles to unlock/cease spasming than my muscle relaxers that I occasionally take, but without the grogginess that I sometimes get from Flexeril.
Would I feel safe giving my wife a 3-5 g dose when her arthritis is giving her grief? Absolutely!
Would I give her a 3-5 g dose and turn her loose on Amazon to do some shopping? Hell, no!
Again, I think it can be a very useful pain relief tool provided you can manage yourself, but I also agree with Juiced Porkchop's post above. If you have opiate dependency issues, this may not be for you.
Personally, I feel I can use it on a "as needed" basis, and then put it back in the cupboard until I had an issue w/ pain again.

Nice right up. Supposedly Kratom is used to help those with opoid dependency and withdraw. I do know since I haven't took a pain killer, muscle relaxer or even a NSAID in 6 plus weeks. I feel much better and have less aches and pains. And lots more energy

[almostgone]

Nice right up. Supposedly Kratom is used to help those with opoid dependency and withdraw. I do know since I haven't took a pain killer, muscle relaxer or even a NSAID in 6 plus weeks. I feel much better and have less aches and pains. And lots more energy

I have a ongoing scriot for relaxers but only used them when necessary. However, as you mentioned, I've also noticed that if my back was bound up and I had to use them for several days in a row or more, it would cut into my energy levels.

[almostgone]

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https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...le-i-substance

Signed!

X2 and posted the link at a few other places.

[NACH3]

signed!

Beat me to it AG - X3... Lol

[NACH3]

I have a ongoing scriot for relaxers but only used them when necessary. However, as you mentioned, I've also noticed that if my back was bound up and I had to use them for several days in a row or more, it would cut into my energy levels.

Same here - looking forward to trying it out... The Green indo and maybe some red(gotta see which one(s) react best for me and my situation

It's great that those who've tried this and are getting the relief w/out dropping their energy levels(the PKs are just zap everything outta ya!

[RaginCajun]

Well, looks like the DEA is going to be banning Kratom at the end of the month, so better stock up

DEA’s Sudden ‘Herbal Heroin’ Ban Triggers Stiff Resistance from Kratom Community | US News

[almostgone]

Breaking news as of today!

On track to be a controlled substance 9/30! The government is out to screw everyone again! Alot will lose there business like me but also have to resort back to big pharma for anxiety meds, pain meds, anti-depressants, and more! Please sign and confirm your email after, that's it your counted.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...le-i-substance

Going to bump up the post by TKS that contains a link to a petition people may be interested in signing.

[Far from massive]

Yeah I sign just for fun.

Big Pharma send billions of dollars to the powers that be yearly....lets see piss off guys who send you billions annually of piss off a bunch of people who signed a petition.. LOL

SUX but it is what it is,

Think about this the FDA allows the marketing of drugs like Lamisil, for yellow toenails, that can cause,

•Black, tarry stools
•bleeding gums
•bloating
•blood in the urine or stools
•chest pain
•constipation
•cough or hoarseness
•dizziness
•fast heartbeat
•feeling of discomfort
•flu-like symptoms
•general feeling of tiredness or weakness
•hair loss
•high fever
•hives
•indigestion
•inflammation of the joints
•large, hive-like swelling on the face, eyelids, lips, tongue, throat, hands, legs, feet, or sex organs
•light-colored stools
•lower back or side pain
•muscle aches
•painful or difficult urination
•pains in the stomach, side, or abdomen, possibly radiating to the back
•persistent loss of appetite
•pinpoint red spots on the skin
•puffiness or swelling of the eyelids or around the eyes, face, lips, or tongue
•red skin lesions, often with a purple center
•red, irritated eyes
•red, scaling, or crusted skin
•shortness of breath or troubled breathing
•sores, ulcers, or white spots on the lips or in the mouth
•sores, welting, or blisters
•stomach pain, continuing
•swollen glands
•swollen lymph glands
•tightness in the chest
•troubled breathing with exertion
•ulcers, sores, or white spots in the mouth
•unexplained bleeding or bruising
•wheezing

Severity: Minor

Some of the side effects that can occur with terbinafine may not need medical attention. As your body adjusts to the medicine during treatment these side effects may go away. Your health care professional may also be able to tell you about ways to reduce or prevent some of these side effects. If any of the following side effects continue, are bothersome or if you have any questions about them, check with your health care professional:
More common: •Stomach pain (mild)
•stuffy nose
Less common: •Acid or sour stomach
•bad, unusual, or unpleasant (after) taste
•belching
•change of taste or loss of taste
•heartburn
•toothache
Incidence not known: •Decreased vision
•difficulty with moving
•discouragement
•feeling sad or empty
•irritability
•lack of appetite
•loss of interest or pleasure
•loss of sense of smell
•muscle cramps or spasms
•muscle stiffness
•tiredness
•trouble concentrating


If they are this corrupt I doubt anything short of a full scale takeover will cause them to change their ways.

[spiels]

Signed. This stuff helped me quit opiates

[Juced_porkchop]

signed as well

[Ashop]

Signed. This stuff helped me quit opiates

signed as well

Hopefully they can get the ban stopped. The DEA should be focusing on the EPEDIMIC of Heroin and Meth and not Kratom.