Need preworkout suggestion

[kbunyan]

I normally take a tab of caffeine and a capsule of ECGC, but usually crash after hour and a half max. Keep adding or upping the dose or anything better out there ?



Thanks in advance

[GearHeaded]

I've been using 20mg of Dbol pre workout for years . its way cheaper then any over the counter supplement, has no stim crash, and gives both physical and mental benefits (clarity and focus)

[HoldMyBeer]

I've been using 20mg of Dbol pre workout for years . its way cheaper then any over the counter supplement, has no stim crash, and gives both physical and mental benefits (clarity and focus)

No problems w taking orals that often? I usually get pretty damn lethargic after week 4ish

OP, ephedrine works well for me. But I don't usually crash off a 200mg caffeine capsule myself

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[Thebricklayer]

100mg of Tren Base. :-)

[redz]

I’m currently taking my dbol dose (75mg) pre work out with 600mg of caffein. This isn’t permanent just for 5 weeks roughly.

[Windex]

I normally take a tab of caffeine and a capsule of ECGC, but usually crash after hour and a half max. Keep adding or upping the dose or anything better out there ?



Thanks in advance

Chronic caffeine and other stimulant use is just going to lead to cortisol+adrenal issues which is turn is going to lower testosterone and hinder gym progression. Experiment and find a solution to strengthen your focus/mind that is not reliant on stimulants before you burn out with no motivation to even show up to the gym, left alone lift.

[GearHeaded]

No problems w taking orals that often? I usually get pretty damn lethargic after week 4ish

no. especially at that low of a dose and pre workout only. 20mg of Dbol is maybe equal to a beer in regards to liver stress.. guarantee you going to the local GNC and picking up the latest tub of preworkout powder thats got 20 different ingredients and is packed full of chemicals and artificial bullshit is WAY more stressful on your liver then a couple of little dbol pills

[tarmyg]

I've been using 20mg of Dbol pre workout for years . its way cheaper then any over the counter supplement, has no stim crash, and gives both physical and mental benefits (clarity and focus)

Interesting. Might try this but at 10mg as I'm super sensitive to orals.

Do you need a build up time with dbol or does it work like, i.e., caffeine?

[GearHeaded]

Interesting. Might try this but at 10mg as I'm super sensitive to orals.

Do you need a build up time with dbol or does it work like, i.e., caffeine?

no you don't need consistent blood levels of the drug at all , especially with Dbol . the mental effects can be felt with the first dose. back in the 50s or 60s Dbol was given to treat depression.
feeling stressed out and on edge.. pop a Dbol. it will help with your overall mood. and the physiological effects (nutrient partitioning and ability to help shuttle glycogen, nutrients, water, etc. into muscle cells) is obviously a big benefit pre workout as well.

now one thing that you will notice is that the longer your taking it your pumps will get more and more pronounced. this is NOT necessarily from build up of the drug in your system, this is from the steady increase in estrogen that you may get (dose dependent and depending on how often you use it). this is a good thing. don't go ruining it by taking a bunch of AI just cause your running a little Dbol pre-workout

[tarmyg]

no you don't need consistent blood levels of the drug at all , especially with Dbol . the mental effects can be felt with the first dose. back in the 50s or 60s Dbol was given to treat depression.
feeling stressed out and on edge.. pop a Dbol. it will help with your overall mood. and the physiological effects (nutrient partitioning and ability to help shuttle glycogen, nutrients, water, etc. into muscle cells) is obviously a big benefit pre workout as well.

now one thing that you will notice is that the longer your taking it your pumps will get more and more pronounced. this is NOT necessarily from build up of the drug in your system, this is from the steady increase in estrogen that you may get (dose dependent and depending on how often you use it). this is a good thing. don't go ruining it by taking a bunch of AI just cause your running a little Dbol pre-workout

Thanks GH. Appreciate the detailed answer.

[Couchlockd]

no you don't need consistent blood levels of the drug at all , especially with Dbol . the mental effects can be felt with the first dose. back in the 50s or 60s Dbol was given to treat depression.
feeling stressed out and on edge.. pop a Dbol. it will help with your overall mood. and the physiological effects (nutrient partitioning and ability to help shuttle glycogen, nutrients, water, etc. into muscle cells) is obviously a big benefit pre workout as well.

now one thing that you will notice is that the longer your taking it your pumps will get more and more pronounced. this is NOT necessarily from build up of the drug in your system, this is from the steady increase in estrogen that you may get (dose dependent and depending on how often you use it). this is a good thing. don't go ruining it by taking a bunch of AI just cause your running a little Dbol pre-workout

Any issues taking dbol pre-workout in the midst of 50mg var ED?

[GearHeaded]

Any issues taking dbol pre-workout in the midst of 50mg var ED?

no. in fact you'll get some good synergy there. as VAR is going to help upregulate CP (creatine phosphate) resulting in more ATP production (fueld by glucose primarily) and provide more energy output and muscular contractions,, and on the other side of the coin the Dbol is going to help with glucose metabolism and inter cellular nutrient and water retention. combined your looking at more energy, better contractions, better pump, and better nutrient absorption and recovery in the muscle.

lots of goys mistakingly don't thing a 'dry' compound like var goes together well with a 'wet' compound like Dbol . but when you look at their mehancims of action specifically, you'll see how well they complement each other

[Couchlockd]

no. in fact you'll get some good synergy there. as VAR is going to help upregulate CP (creatine phosphate) resulting in more ATP production (fueld by glucose primarily) and provide more energy output and muscular contractions,, and on the other side of the coin the Dbol is going to help with glucose metabolism and inter cellular nutrient and water retention. combined your looking at more energy, better contractions, better pump, and better nutrient absorption and recovery in the muscle.

lots of goys mistakingly don't thing a 'dry' compound like var goes together well with a 'wet' compound like Dbol . but when you look at their mehancims of action specifically, you'll see how well they complement each other

Just how bad is it on cholesterol? And how extreme is the water retention?

[GearHeaded]

Just how bad is it on cholesterol? And how extreme is the water retention?

its not near as harsh on Cholesterol as VAR or Winstrol is . for me water retention happens at 50+mg per day. if I'm just using Dbol pre-workout only at 20mg I don't notice any water retention, except a bit more muscle fullness and retention in the muscle itself. my blood pressure will stay at 120/70, but will go up if I run 50+mg per day and run the Dbol as an actual part of my cycle and not just as a pre workout

there are times I'm purposely trying to get as much water retention as I can though. so I'll stack a Dbol at 50mg + Anadrol at 50mg .. but again, 20mg of Dbol isn't going to give me any water retention

[Couchlockd]

its not near as harsh on Cholesterol as VAR or Winstrol is . for me water retention happens at 50+mg per day. if I'm just using Dbol pre-workout only at 20mg I don't notice any water retention, except a bit more muscle fullness and retention in the muscle itself. my blood pressure will stay at 120/70, but will go up if I run 50+mg per day and run the Dbol as an actual part of my cycle and not just as a pre workout

there are times I'm purposely trying to get as much water retention as I can though. so I'll stack a Dbol at 50mg + Anadrol at 50mg .. but again, 20mg of Dbol isn't going to give me any water retention

Roger that

So water n e2 should be not significant @ 20mg pre-workout?

[GearHeaded]

Roger that

So water n e2 should be not significant @ 20mg pre-workout?

no not at all, its basically only 100mg per week with only a 4 hour exposure time per workout.. where as if you were running an actual Dbol cycle (which is known to cause water retention and Estrogen) your looking at 350-500mg per week, splitting the dosage up daily and having 24/7 exposure.

same drug , but totally different effects based on how you use it, from my experience.

[Mooseman33]

gear headed you are so fucking smart.

So great to learn new shit after all the years. Keep it coming

[kbunyan]

Chronic caffeine and other stimulant use is just going to lead to cortisol+adrenal issues which is turn is going to lower testosterone and hinder gym progression. Experiment and find a solution to strengthen your focus/mind that is not reliant on stimulants before you burn out with no motivation to even show up to the gym, left alone lift.

I can't grasp it ? How can I change that I am physically worn out and can't continue ?

[Windex]

I can't grasp it ? How can I change that I am physically worn out and can't continue ?

It's a physiological response from your body. You need to determine the root cause - could be vitamin / mineral deficiency, overuse of caffeine affecting hormone levels, psychological addiction, the list goes on.

Your mind is tired not your body - don't confuse the two. The mind always breaks before the body. If you want to strengthen your physical body you need to start with your mind. Until you understand that then you won't move forward.

Look for resolutions not excuses.

[Obs]

I would try some natural herbal essence shit with essential oils and some root of vagina...

Tren base
Test base
Ephedrine and redbull
Dbol

Or do all four of the above.

Point is if you aren't feeling up to whipping ass when you walk in you will be wasting you time. If that means stims then I guess stims it is.

Or...
You can try some hippy ass approach. Try the miracle spring water.
My way works better though. There is no balance of minerals or explanation for feeling like animated steel with the desire to tear shit apart. Sounds like something a naturepathic doctor would say.

"Eat this licorice root... You'll be fuggin stuff up in no time!"

No... No. Hell no.

You crush up those little white pills and snort them! You snort those pills and shoot those bases and jam a dbol up yer ass! Run into the gym killin snakes! Go get them snakes! You gotta lift them to kill them!

FUCK YES

If you find yourself feeling like making excuses add more chemicals until that feeling goes away.

[Old Duffer]

I'll say it again: Better living thru chemistry!

[Family_guy]

It's a physiological response from your body. You need to determine the root cause - could be vitamin / mineral deficiency, overuse of caffeine affecting hormone levels, psychological addiction, the list goes on.

Your mind is tired not your body - don't confuse the two. The mind always breaks before the body. If you want to strengthen your physical body you need to start with your mind. Until you understand that then you won't move forward.

Look for resolutions not excuses.

Thank you zen master. I feel wiser already

[Family_guy]

I normally take a tab of caffeine and a capsule of ECGC, but usually crash after hour and a half max. Keep adding or upping the dose or anything better out there ?



Thanks in advance

Op go to Walmart by a preworkout powder. I can’t remeber the name...it’s in a silver/chrome bottle and the flavor is blue razz ice or something. Tastes like a bomb pop. It’s like 20$. No crash to speak of and the citrulline and AKG give you a great pump plus you me face gets all tingly if you take enough

[Windex]

Thank you zen master. I feel wiser already

Pretty ignorant and arrogant comment. Must be why you could only get to 152 lbs before having to cycle.

[Windex]

Op go to Walmart by a preworkout powder. I can’t remeber the name...it’s in a silver/chrome bottle and the flavor is blue razz ice or something. Tastes like a bomb pop. It’s like 20$. No crash to speak of and the citrulline and AKG give you a great pump plus you me face gets all tingly if you take enough

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2257922/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2249754/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4756272/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4263906/


If you are going to give ignorant advice, keep it to the lounge.

[Obs]

Pretty ignorant and arrogant comment. Must be why you could only get to 152 lbs before having to cycle.

You need your status removed. You never should have been made a monitor. No idea why you are here. I say all the bullshit I did and you come at familyguy for telling a guy to get a can of c-4?

The op asked for preworkouts (they exist for a reason) and instead of answering woth somethong helpful you attack the idea like every post you make.


Sick of your negative shit all over this board.
I have seen your weak ass physique dont be picking on others.

[Obs]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2257922/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2249754/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4756272/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4263906/


If you are going to give ignorant advice, keep it to the lounge.

Op asked for preworkouts and you come in here with your retarded non working mineral balance solution and get up in people asses for not agreeing about preworkouts being less than stellar for health?

You cut on someone who is three times the man you will ever be. He raises a family, informs his wife of everything, (she is hot btw) he deals with his fathers lung cancer, goes to work every day, and still finds time to do all this and do a great job of it.

You can go fuck yourself eurotrash

[Couchlockd]

I prefer da poor man's "Farley" pre-workout.

4 bronkaid and 4 vikes.

[Old Duffer]

Pretty ignorant and arrogant comment. Must be why you could only get to 152 lbs before having to cycle.

WHAT DA FUCK DUDE!

Talk about left field! Are you on the rag?

[Thebricklayer]

Pretty ignorant and arrogant comment. Must be why you could only get to 152 lbs before having to cycle.

This is the kind of stuff that makes guys not want to post.

[Windex]

This is the kind of stuff that makes guys not want to post.

Can only poke a bear so many times before it bites back.

[Chrisp83TRT]

Pretty ignorant and arrogant comment. Must be why you could only get to 152 lbs before having to cycle.

Why do you have to make low blows bro.

Weather he's being sarcastic or not, there is no need to take it to a immature level.

You preach being the bigger and better person and here you are Insulting him where it hurts.

That's what females tend to do, but for real not cool.

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[Chrisp83TRT]

no. in fact you'll get some good synergy there. as VAR is going to help upregulate CP (creatine phosphate) resulting in more ATP production (fueld by glucose primarily) and provide more energy output and muscular contractions,, and on the other side of the coin the Dbol is going to help with glucose metabolism and inter cellular nutrient and water retention. combined your looking at more energy, better contractions, better pump, and better nutrient absorption and recovery in the muscle.

lots of goys mistakingly don't thing a 'dry' compound like var goes together well with a 'wet' compound like Dbol . but when you look at their mehancims of action specifically, you'll see how well they complement each other

Hey gear , question .

If you don't take it daily pre work out but let's say every other day or every other couple of days ,
Will that cause an imbalance of estrogen and cause a flux of issues ?

I'm interested in trying dbol as a prework as I never did this , but may not use it every day.

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[Old Duffer]

Can only poke a bear so many times before it bites back.

Really? You're gonna come on here with a straight face and tell us that Family Guy, of all folks, was the one who triggered you?

Family Guy?

Damn

[charger69]

Windex- I cant figure this one out. My brain started hurting so I’ll return to arguing with myself...... I’m trying to stop the tren from speaking. LOL


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[balance]

I normally take a tab of caffeine and a capsule of ECGC, but usually crash after hour and a half max. Keep adding or upping the dose or anything better out there ?



Thanks in advance

Stim wise whatever you decide to use to get amped up I wouldn’t expect it to last beyond the 1.5 hourly mark without taking more of it. Are you lifting for more than 1.5 hours? When my intensity is where it should be I’m good for 1 hour max, after that it’s like your just spinning your wheels.

Also coffee is my go to stim but suddenly I’m mad I didn’t get dbol on last order.

ps
Anytime I watch fighting and someone intentionally deals a low blow I can’t help but think how effective it would be if the opponent could square up and kick the offender in the nuts.

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[Family_guy]

Pretty ignorant and arrogant comment. Must be why you could only get to 152 lbs before having to cycle.

Post a pic dude. You always have great advice but I’ve never even seen your spectacular physique.

Your right I think I was 154 when I started this cycle. But I went from 140 to 154 in a few months when I started lifting. I didn’t cycle cuz I was at my “genetic potential” I don’t believe that really matters. I am doing this because I want to. Because we can all do whatever we want with our own bodies!

[Family_guy]

Really? You're gonna come on here with a straight face and tell us that Family Guy, of all folks, was the one who triggered you?

Family Guy?

Damn

Lmao! He’s got a problem with peter griffin! You bastard. How could you?! Who doesn’t like family guy?!? Dang Canadians! Ehh?

[Family_guy]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2257922/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2249754/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4756272/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4263906/


If you are going to give ignorant advice, keep it to the lounge.

I’m sorry I don’t understand what’s ignorant about my comment. I don’t feel like reading you pub med studies that probably say “preworkout powder is bad for you!” I could find 5 saying the opposite I’m sure. Nvm the fact that like 90% of the guys on this forum use some form of preworkout I’m sure.

Care to elaborate for a simpleton like me who doesn’t want to read your studies on why my comment was ignorant? Don’t forget OP asked for advice on his preworkout.

[Windex]

I’m sorry I don’t understand what’s ignorant about my comment. I don’t feel like reading you pub med studies that probably say “preworkout powder is bad for you!” I could find 5 saying the opposite I’m sure. Nvm the fact that like 90% of the guys on this forum use some form of preworkout I’m sure.

Care to elaborate for a simpleton like me who doesn’t want to read your studies on why my comment was ignorant? Don’t forget OP asked for advice on his preworkout.

The studies have nothing to do with preworkouts and are based off chronically elevated cortisol.

The OP's question is the equivalent of asking "1000mg of Test isn't doing anything, should I go up to 2000mg or Test or add in other steroids ". The fact that there's a crash in 60 minutes on ECEG+caffeine is indicative of a cortisol problem. That's why your recommendation of a preworkout is stupid, which is also why I originally posted a non stimulant alternative. There are tons of tools outside of stimulant based drugs that can be used.

I have never once talked up my physique either. You say I have great advice yet make ignorant comments and have quoted my posts in the past telling people not to listen.

Stop derailing people's threads asking for a picture.Alternatively, you can continue being the comedian in your banana group and see where it gets you.