HoldMyBeer bruh

[Obs]

I wrote a whole thing.... But fuck it.
I'll be available, but just not posting for a while. It doesn't look like I am going to hit my goal, and that is not sitting well with me. I need to reassess shit.
Later!

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Dont take no shit. Extend your goal a few weeks and starve yourself while preserving muscle with AAS and a bare minimal protein diet.

[Obs]

You been pushin Damn hard. No dishonor in a regroup.

Take a little break and let your cns recover, your not doing any good by pushing through.

Do you kiss your mothers with those foul mouths?

[charger69]

Do you kiss your mothers with those foul mouths?

LMAO


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[HoldMyBeer]

I forgot to mention that I've been eating until I feel sick every day for the past week (even when I wasn't hungry) and I'm up to 204. Which feels bad to say the least. I can't extend what Im doing because my body's barely holding up as it is. I'm just trying to get back to 191 before my body completely gives out.
Thanks for the support but this whole things has completely destroyed my self confidence. You can't have a problem w food like that and be a bodybuilder. So I'm just going to try to salvage some resemblance of self respect, go MIA for a while, and see how things work out

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[kelkel]

Take a couple weeks off and regroup.

[Obs]

Smh....

[Proximal]

I forgot to mention that I've been eating until I feel sick every day for the past week (even when I wasn't hungry) and I'm up to 204. Which feels bad to say the least. I can't extend what Im doing because my body's barely holding up as it is. I'm just trying to get back to 191 before my body completely gives out.
Thanks for the support but this whole things has completely destroyed my self confidence. You can't have a problem w food like that and be a bodybuilder. So I'm just going to try to salvage some resemblance of self respect, go MIA for a while, and see how things work out

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Come on HMB. Take a breath, refocus & grind at it again. Now it’s familiar territory.

Hey I started off my last journey because of guys like you here. Come on bro, slow and steady - one pound at a time man.

[Obs]

I forgot to mention that I've been eating until I feel sick every day for the past week (even when I wasn't hungry) and I'm up to 204. Which feels bad to say the least. I can't extend what Im doing because my body's barely holding up as it is. I'm just trying to get back to 191 before my body completely gives out.
Thanks for the support but this whole things has completely destroyed my self confidence. You can't have a problem w food like that and be a bodybuilder. So I'm just going to try to salvage some resemblance of self respect, go MIA for a while, and see how things work out

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I missed this...

You are going through a battle.
Overcome it and you will be hardened.
Keep on keeping on

[SocioMachiavelli]

I see you've been online

ready to try again motherfucker?

[HoldMyBeer]

Alright Im back. Ive been lurking a bit, just not posting.
I got down to 184 with a week left to my goal date (so a better person could have easily hit it). I had a ton of loose skin from being 50% body fat for so long. Everything I've read says Im going to need surgery to fix it. Got in a terrible head space from pushing it so hard for so long, and lost most of the progress I made. I just ran it way too hard for too long.
I got my shit right now so I should be more active than I was.

[Obs]

Alright Im back. Ive been lurking a bit, just not posting.
I got down to 184 with a week left to my goal date (so a better person could have easily hit it). I had a ton of loose skin from being 50% body fat for so long. Everything I've read says Im going to need surgery to fix it. Got in a terrible head space from pushing it so hard for so long, and lost most of the progress I made. I just ran it way too hard for too long.
I got my shit right now so I should be more active than I was.

Glad you are back brother

[spywizard]

Alright Im back. Ive been lurking a bit, just not posting.
I got down to 184 with a week left to my goal date (so a better person could have easily hit it). I had a ton of loose skin from being 50% body fat for so long. Everything I've read says Im going to need surgery to fix it. Got in a terrible head space from pushing it so hard for so long, and lost most of the progress I made. I just ran it way too hard for too long.
I got my shit right now so I should be more active than I was.

so i read the 1st post ( some of it)... now this one.. congrats on what you have accomplished, setting new goals all the time is what makes us different.. don't be satisfied, you've done great keep going

[Proximal]

Alright Im back. Ive been lurking a bit, just not posting.
I got down to 184 with a week left to my goal date (so a better person could have easily hit it). I had a ton of loose skin from being 50% body fat for so long. Everything I've read says Im going to need surgery to fix it. Got in a terrible head space from pushing it so hard for so long, and lost most of the progress I made. I just ran it way too hard for too long.
I got my shit right now so I should be more active than I was.

Very glad you’re back. Damn, 184, way to go man!

[HoldMyBeer]

There is a lack of information out there on DNP , I found a good resource for information (although not perfect) when I was going through this BS back when and wanted to share it
I tried to edit out names and stuff, but I am lazy so I may have missed some


Q: How strong is crystal vs powder? A: clearly you didn't read the guide titled "THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN POWDER AND CRYSTAL" but ok. Chemically, crystal is 89% powder. So you have 1g of crystal? That's equivalent to 0.89g of powder.
Q: How does 250mg/day affect you? How will it affect me? What's a recommended starting dose? A: There's a dosage guide, but whatever. Please try to give us your dose in mg/kg/day as a total dose means nothing without your weight. We recommend starting low, around 4mg/kg/day or less and don't increase your dose for the first two weeks
Q: I'm taking 9mg/kg/day and I'm not feeling the heat, when should I increase my dose? A: Well how long have you been on it? You may not feel anything for the first few days since your total body concentration has to accumulate and stabilize - it's in the dosage guide. Another thing to consider is you might not feel heat if you don't eat carbs or if you have the windows open and the temperature is like 40°F and you're wearing a t shirt and shorts. And last thing is just because you don't feel the sides doesn't mean it's not working
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Q: I have 250mg caps but I want to take 400mg/day, is there anything I can do? A: There's an easy formula for you! (Dose you have/Dosage you want) * 24 = how many hours between doses. Eg. (250/400) * 24 = 15hrs. So you should take your 250mg caps every 15 hours. easy as pie.
Q: What's the advantage of split dosing over taking everything all at once? A: Ok, maybe you tried reading the dosage guide and didn't get to the end.. that's ok. No worries. In addition to being able to achieve stuff like the previous question, you also have smaller relative peaks in your total concentration.
Q: How much will I lose taking x mg/day doing this, this, and this? A: Hello, can I point you to the cycle calculator in the announcements channel?
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Q: What body fat percent do you think I'm at? :inserts picture: A: LMGTFY Alternatively, there are many at home body fat measuring systems. The caliper method may be the best one
LMGTFY

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Q: Can I fast while taking DNP? A: I mean.... you can... but like... why... Here's the thing. When you fast, you rely on your excess energy stores for fuel right? If you fast too long, you end up running out and that's when you die or end up in a hospital. On DNP, you'll run through your energy stores a lot faster. You'll also probably feel much hungrier than if you weren't on DNP. Also have a look at the next question as well. Five day fasts are very much not recommended. Intermittent fasting is fine.
Q: How much muscle vs fat will I lose on cycle? How can I keep my gainzzz? A: That depends on your diet. CICO rules weight loss, macros rule fat loss. If you prioritize consuming proteins, your body will tend to catabolize less of your muscles. This is true with or without DNP. A nice macro split on DNP would be 70/15/15 p/f/c (or 80/20/0 if you can manage it), to maintain muscle and increase the ratio of fat lost to total weight lost
Q: Are carbs needed for DNP to work? A: I refer you to the "HOW DNP WORKS" paper. DNP does what it does whether you eat carbs or not. If you don't care to read the paper, I can tell you right now that carbs will make you hot. Eating carbs also means your body has to burn through that shit before it'll continue burning through your body's fat stores. You do yourself no favors by eating carbs on DNP really. Especially if your goal is fat loss (see above)
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Q: How much time should I take off between cycles? A: Minimum, we recommend 2 weeks. It takes about 7 days for DNP to be out of your system, depending what dose you were taking, and you'll want another week off to reestablish mitochondrial uncoupling proteins. Another suggestion thrown around is time on = time off.
Q: Do you build a tolerance to DNP? A: Short answer, yes. Long answer, umm I guess you can call it tolerance... Here's how it works. In your mitochondria, there are proteins called uncoupling protein (UCP). They work exactly the same way DNP does. They're produced naturally by your body, and they are necessary for the normal functioning of your cells. When you take DNP, the DNP molecules start taking over the job of the UCPs. Your cells notice that your UCPs seem to be better at their job, so it'll try to reduce how many there are. This will give you the effect of seeming like you're taking a slightly lower dose even if your dose hasn't changed in reality. NOW while this tolerance effect is noticeable, it does not get to a point where the same dose of DNP becomes ineffective.
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Q: What supplements should I take? A: Water + electrolytes. Your major electrolytes are sodium, potassium, magnesium, calcium, and chloride. A multivitamin (scorpion has always recommended AnimalPak. someone else recommends PURE ONE. most multis you find in the store are generally not going to have enough of everything though, so find a high quality multi). Q: I thought I shouldn't supplement with potassium? Isn't too much potassium bad? A: I mean, by definition, too much of anything is bad yes. But let's think how likely you are to get too much potassium if you just take your electrolyte replacement drink like a normal person. Um.. not very likely. You lose potassium as you produce the stomach acid necessary to convert crystal to powder. You lose potassium as you sweat. You sweat a lot on DNP and lose a lot of potassium. Stop being so goddamn scared of potassium
Q: Shouldn't I take x, y, and z to prevent PN/cataracts/just because someone said to? A: ok, so taking them won't hurt (unless you're overdosing, in which case you'll make your kidneys sad or get an upset stomach), but there's no evidence that taking anything will help with DNP induced PN or cataracts. Don't throw that article about Vit E&C for cataracts at me, those cataracts aren't caused by DNP are they? No? Then it's not applicable. As far as we can tell, your risk of PN/cataracts is very very low, and is increased by factors such as genetics (no your family history of cataracts doesn't mean you'll get DNP cataracts), taking stupid high doses, running cycles that are stupid long, running multiple cycles that are stupid long, etc.
Q: I get tingles in my pinky toe, is ths PN?? A: h y p o x i a. If you had PN, you'd be in pain and/or you'd have numb fingers and toes. You'd know if you have PN
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Q: I found DNP on ebay/alibaba/who the fuck knows where else (: should I buy it? A: If you're planning on ingesting that, then why the fuck are you looking there rather than at the safe sources we have. idc these are supposed to be short answers, here is a long list of reasons not to do it.
1. Heavy metal contamination. If you're buying bulk powders, you don't know whether or not there's heavy metals in there unless you get it tested. Even then, you don't have a reliable way of removing those impurities
2. Other dinitrophenol contamination. Other isomers of 2,4-dinitrophenol exist. Some of them might be less effective than 2,4-DNP but that's fine and safe right. But some of them are way fuckin more potent than 2,4-DNP and are lethal at lower dosage ranges.
3. Other nitroaromatic contamination. In addition to dinitrophenols, there's dinitro-o-cresol, o-nitrophenol, p-nitrophenol, and more! Some of these are, again, more potent than 2,4-DNP and lethal at lower dosage ranges. Some of these inhibit the metabolism of DNP, increasing the half life and accumulation, meaning it'll be easier to accidentally reach overdose.
4. Measuring and capping. If what you're buying isn't measured and capped (or pressed), you're gonna have to deal with measuring out an accurate dose for yourself. I hope you have an accurate and precise kitchen scale. And a shitton of patience. And oh god if someone else asks why sources put fillers in caps, I might just hurt someone.
So while we obviously don't condone this, if for some reason you still decide to do the thing, get your product tested by a lab, and make sure there aren't any harmful impurities
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Q: I heard T4 to T3 conversion is inhibited by DNP should I take T3? A: First, DNP does not inhibit T4 to T3 conversion. That would be due to just losing weight, since y'know that happens when you lose weight. Once you stop losing weight and maintain for a bit, these hormones will restabilise. Second, even if it was inhibited by DNP (and, again, it's not), supplementing with T3 will inhibit T4 to T3 conversion even more. Really? Yes. Your body has a nice negative feedback loop whereby the presence of T3 decreases the formation of more T3. Q: Should I take creatine on cycle? Will it help me lose more weight? A: Creatine will not help you lose more weight. It might help you feel more energetic or less like you're dying, but that's about it. You can take it if you want it, but it will not help you burn more energy. Nor does it somehow magically synergize with DNP and make it more effective or whatever. Just think of creatine like a back up battery for your car that you can only charge using your main battery. (in this great analogy, you happen to have a completely electric car)
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Q: I'm not losing weight on DNP; what's up with that? A: One of two things is happening. Either you're retaining water, and you'll drop most of the weight as soon as you're off DNP - assuming you're only on for a week or two. This only applies if you're on for a couple weeks; the water retention can only hide your weightloss for so long. OR you're out eating DNP. Oh yes, you can out eat it. What's that? You're only having chicken and rice every night and you're sure it's only 300cals and you're totally not retaining water? Then you're eating way more than you say you are.
Q: ya but I'm doing the same thing I did last time and last time I lost a pound a day? A: yeah well your hormones would like a word with you. You might be doing everything exactly the same, but your body is not exactly the same.
Q: So what should I eat on cycle? A: I don't know how you got this far in the faqs without seeing my recommendation for a 70p/15f/15c (or 80/20/0) macro split, but there it is again. Eat at 75% caloric maintenance and you should be all good. Other diet plans that work well for other people, and aren't totally dumb, are keto and PSMF. Guess what they all have in common? (very low carbs)
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Q: I'm a girl, what do I have to do differently? A: nothing, just read the rest of the faqs. it's written to be applicable to both sexes
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Q: How much will DNP increase my metabolism? Something like 100mg is an 11% increase? A: So we've looked through some old and new studies, and it looks like a better estimate may be that for every 1mg/kg/day of powder, you get a 12-15% increase in metabolism, after having reached full accumulation. This equates to about 10.68-13.35% increase for every 1mg/kg/day of crystal after reaching full accumulation.
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Q: Why am I not losing weight? I'm running a cycle of DNP+tren +.... A: There's a 90% chance it's the tren and water weight. You'll probably drop it after you stop DNP. At the very least you probably had some insane body recomp going on. There is a tiny chance it's not water weight and you're outeating the DNP. You'll have to analyze your diet to be sure
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Q: When is the best time to take DNP? Morning? Night? A: That varies by individual. Some people find they get way to tired during the day if they dose in the morning. Some people find they can't sleep at night and are too uncomfortable or hot if they dose before bed. You'll have to figure out which category you fall under to decide what time to take your doses. Also see the dosage guide paper to learn how split dosing might help your comfort levels.
Q: Why are my eyes/skin/pee/other bodily fluids yellow? A: Well DNP is used as a dye. It gets excreted in your bodily fluids including sweat, tears, saliva, urine, semen, and vaginal fluid. That means it will stain your skin, eyes and bedsheets; your sexy time fluids will be yellow; and your pee will be neon yellow even if you drink a gallon of water a day. The amount of staining is proportional to the dosage you are taking (low dose means almost unnoticeable staining)
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Q: Will my DNP semen make mutant babies? Or will taking DNP make me unable to have babies? Will DNP fry the eggs in my ovaries? A: Yikes. No. Nothing is negatively impacted in any significant way. If the male is on DNP, it'll make it's way to the sperm and affect their motility by impairing their energy source. Imagine trying to swim in the Olympics while taking a high dose of DNP. If the female is on DNP, her eggs will develop normally, though it may take longer (due to not getting enough nutrition. In the same way some women stop menstruating if they're malnourished). DNP does not "fry" the eggs - do you think getting a fever fries the eggs? Your body temp can be raised higher when you get a fever than when you take DNP. If she gets pregnant, the baby will develop as long as she gets enough nourishment to feed both herself and her baby. There is a higher chance of losing the baby because of inadequate nutrition, again - much the same way an anorexic woman, not eating enough, has a higher chance of losing their baby. All of the same goes for the chances of birth defects.