fat loss thru dieting, w/o cardio

**russia dog** · 07-07-2005, 01:26 AM

i got a new job!!!! hella money , and also hella time:::
i can still eat during work:: diet is no problem

problem is i only have 2 hours of free time for exercise:::::
i don;t want to do cardio next to my work out session::::
as i wanna gain lean mass::
my question is: can you loose fat thru dieting and without cardio???
or cardio is really important

**keylock** · 07-07-2005, 01:32 AM

I think so I know a lot of bbers that dont do shi# for cardio. But I ges that would all so depend on what your takeing, you motabolisim, and you diet.

**keylock** · 07-07-2005, 01:35 AM

all so I dont do cardio if Im trying to get lean I just take clen but I naturaly have low bf

***xxx*** · 07-07-2005, 01:40 AM

u can get lean thru diet only, but if u r juicing, cardio is a must.

**russia dog** · 07-07-2005, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by ***xxx***

u can get lean thru diet only, but if u r juicing, cardio is a must.

why i am juicing, cardio is a must?? never heard that one before

**Dave321** · 07-07-2005, 07:16 AM

I know pleanty of bodybuilders that never do any cardio on aas and come out lean... there is a dude on the boards here that got so gd ripped and never touched the cardio machine... I do not disagree with xxx, just know that there are people out there that do it. You have to be really strict!

**Property of Steroid.com** · 07-07-2005, 07:31 AM

I don't like the feeling of not knowing I can get through a couple hours of basketball or something...or take a 5-10k run...

Maybe it's just me....but the red-faced bodybuilder huffing and puffing his way up the stairs at work is just disheartening to me....

But then....

Thats why I'm not a bodybuilder.

**russia dog** · 07-07-2005, 07:40 AM

okay!!!!!
anyways, is cardio more effective or can dieting be as effective?? if so, how much caloric intake do you decrease to still maintain muscle size, while burning fat..

**marqui678** · 07-07-2005, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by hooker

I don't like the feeling of not knowing I can get through a couple hours of basketball or something...or take a 5-10k run...

Maybe it's just me....but the red-faced bodybuilder huffing and puffing his way up the stairs at work is just disheartening to me....

But then....

Thats why I'm not a bodybuilder.

I agree with you, being muscular without being physically fit is a waste for anyone who enjoys sports. But, anyway you can try HIT cardio, 20 minutes a day, it will keep you in shape if done right, and you will lose some fat.

**happysumo** · 07-07-2005, 10:36 AM

I know you mentioned you only have two hours of time to LIFT, but I've noticed even when I throw in twenty minutes of cardio in with my workouts, my workouts seem to go much smoother and yes i even think i lift bigger, it might be in my head

Try throwing in twenty minutes of cardio for your diet and you still have a good hour and forty minutes to throw down the weights

**Pump_30** · 07-07-2005, 10:46 AM

Eating super clean you can get by w/o cardio....I hate cardio actually, I tend to drop too much mass.....

Caloric intake is based on an individual......put together a diet and just adjust here and there if ur not losing fat adjust it, if ur dropping too much weight adjust....use the mirror as ur compass to achieve ur desired goals....

**xderekx** · 07-07-2005, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by russia dog

i got a new job!!!! hella money , and also hella time:::
i can still eat during work:: diet is no problem

problem is i only have 2 hours of free time for exercise:::::
i don;t want to do cardio next to my work out session::::
as i wanna gain lean mass::
my question is: can you loose fat thru dieting and without cardio???
or cardio is really important

i am a man of cold-hard fact as opposed to opinion...from experience, i can say:
FACT: a disciplined diet with proper training & supplementing is what worked for me in attaining my current physique. i am lean, hard & have vascularity throughout my body...including abdominals. i have not stepped foot on a treadmill or have trained cardiovacular besides masterbation & sex.

depending on you body genetically, will also play an important role in how lean you become without cardio. everyone is different. what works for me, may not work for you...learn your body...bottom line!

**russia dog** · 07-08-2005, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by happysumo

I know you mentioned you only have two hours of time to LIFT, but I've noticed even when I throw in twenty minutes of cardio in with my workouts, my workouts seem to go much smoother and yes i even think i lift bigger, it might be in my head

Try throwing in twenty minutes of cardio for your diet and you still have a good hour and forty minutes to throw down the weights

doing cardio wastes glycogen storage, and therefore decreases intensity of your workout from the depleted glycogen::: if u do it after, ull put yourself in a catabolic state, cortisal hormone release: u need PWO and rest::;

correct me if i am wrong, but u can't do cardio near workout::::::
ill give it a try::: anyways here's my question: how much caloric intake should i decrease?????? i got my caloric intake from the caloric intake calculator, is it accurate?

**russia dog** · 07-10-2005, 09:00 AM

bump

**chris2wire** · 07-10-2005, 10:51 AM

I just want to say I lost 50lbs in 2 months from just dieting and never doing cardio.

The catch is I also lost a lot of muscle in that time.... In other words my diet was nearly an eating disorder.

But, all in all, it is very possible

**cyclist2173** · 07-10-2005, 11:04 AM

Don't neglect your ticker. It is the most important muscle of all. That being said; take LITTLE TO NO REST in between sets alternating agonist/antagonist muscle groups (ex: 1 set bicep then 1 set tricep, then 1 set bicep....repeat). The time spent moving from exercise to exercise is all you get. This should keep your HR up and give you the aerobic benefit. You will be burning more calories and completing your workouts quicker. Heck, you might even have enough time for 30 of HI Aerobic training as well.

**russia dog** · 07-10-2005, 11:58 AM

anyways here's my question: how much caloric intake should i decrease?????? i got my caloric intake from the caloric intake calculator, is it accurate?

**russia dog** · 07-10-2005, 12:08 PM

500 cal a good start?

**cyclist2173** · 07-10-2005, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by russia dog

500 cal a good start?

500 cal negative equals 1# of weight loss per week. Of course the increased BMR and direct EE from the cardio is what will accelerate a faster weight loss.

**russia dog** · 07-11-2005, 08:02 AM

wad's BMR and wad's EE???

**cyclist2173** · 07-11-2005, 08:34 AM

BMR=Basal Metabolic Rate and EE=Energy Expenditure

**rodge** · 07-11-2005, 08:46 AM

the pic in my avatar is the result of my contest prep done with strict dieting and hard workout without any cardio.the only cardio i did is a walk with the dog plus i have a physical busy job but nothing major.i believe in keeping muscle by lifting hard and getting ripped by following an strict diet.

-rodge

**SwoleCat** · 07-11-2005, 09:49 AM

I like cardio for the heart, if NOTHING else.

I use it to cut though, helps me out. Also helps speed repair in my case, bringing blood flow to the areas.

~SC~

**Soup** · 07-11-2005, 09:57 AM

3,500 calories = 1 lb. It seems easier to add cardio in then to try and decrease caloric intake

**zoso428** · 07-11-2005, 10:49 AM

just wake up early and hit the do a jog..i have to be at work at 7 i wake up at 430 and go to the gym by my office..cardio...abs...shower...then go to work...it wakes me up too....its all about determination

**russia dog** · 07-11-2005, 11:05 AM

power walking and jogging which is better???
can u reach fatloss HR with power walking

i know jogging and harm muscle

**chest6** · 07-11-2005, 01:25 PM

I haven't really done much cardio lately..and I had some trouble playing a full court game to 30 (by 1's) the other day. All my friends were like sprinting past me and telling me i am in s*** shape. Might wanan hit the cardio dude

**russia dog** · 07-11-2005, 02:27 PM

power walking and jogging which is better???
can u reach fatloss HR with power walking

i know jogging and harm muscle

**IronFreakX** · 07-11-2005, 02:30 PM

well if u know jogging can HARM muscle...DONT do it......yeah you can reach ur fatloss HR doing powerwalking.....

**russia dog** · 07-12-2005, 07:35 AM

powerwalking = walk the fastest u can???

**SwoleCat** · 07-12-2005, 09:52 AM

You walk however fast you need to, with an incline or w/out, to reach 65-75% of your max heart rate.

That's the gist of it.

~SC~

**russia dog** · 07-12-2005, 11:02 AM

wow!! interesting.
burning fat by a simple fast walking!!!
i used to do HIIT DAMN! TIRED! SUFFERING!! PAIN!!

**SwoleCat** · 07-12-2005, 11:05 AM

Yeah, all that for no fat loss.

HIIT is usually used for conditioning, and people EAT before they do that. This increases their VO2 max, but it's NOT ideal to burn stored bodyfat, no.

Sometimes the simplest things work the best.

~SC~

**russia dog** · 07-12-2005, 11:31 AM

thanks SC!!!! CUTTING TIME!
anyways, can anyone check my cutting diet?
stats 5'7 176lbs
meal 1: protein shakes 22 p / 4 c/ 1.5f 120 cal
(45min milo 4 p / 24 c / 4 f 150cal
after milk2 14 p/20 c/ 16 f 280 cal
cardio)
40p/ 48 c / 21.5 CAL 550

meal2: *** rice 7 p /30 c / 1 fat
chicken 30p / 5 fat
37 p / 30 c / 6 fat CAL 322
meal3: 5eggwhite 1/2 yolk cal 95 p17/c1/2.5f sf1

------------------------------------TUNA:33p - 132 CAL

meal4: glucose 30 c
pre protein 22 p / 4 c / 1.5 f
-CAL226 p 23 - c 32 - f 1.5 sf0.5

meal5: glucose 30c
post protein 24gram
-CAL226 p 23 - c 32 - f 1.5 sf0.5

meal6: 2 bread
protein
milk
CAL 255 p33 41.5c f1

-------------------------TUNA 33p - 132 CAL
meal7: eggwhite 1/2 yolk cal 95 p17/c1/2.5f sf1

meal8:*** chicken 30p / 5 fat
30p / 5 f / 165 CAL

meal9:*** TUNA 33p - 132 CAL

TOTAL
P 319 / 186 carb / 42.5 FAT CAL 2330

**SwoleCat** · 07-12-2005, 11:34 AM

I'd clean that post up a bit, then post it in the diet forum.

I see milk and rice right off the bat, so I know you have a lot of work to do.

~SC~

**russia dog** · 07-12-2005, 11:38 AM

i know milk is processed sugar, but i take em only after cardio and after workout, is it still bad??? i want some sugar along with slow realsing protein after cardio and work out
is it harm?
RICE = thai cereal whole wheat rice::::: not white rice

btw, i posted twice on diet forum: no one check it out

**russia dog** · 07-12-2005, 11:09 PM

wow!! interesting

**russia dog** · 07-13-2005, 10:00 AM

bump

**zoso428** · 07-13-2005, 10:27 AM

im no expert but ill try and help you out i see no1 replied....dairy products give you sort of a softer look try to avoid .....protein shakes should be water based i couldnt understnad but i thought it said milk......where is ur pwo meal..whereever it is get sum dextrose and it should be double the amount of dextrose than protein..those are a couple of things that are wrong imo