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Thread: My Training (off-season) Journal
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06-15-2007, 12:54 PM #161Originally Posted by mavsluva
Amen
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06-15-2007, 01:55 PM #162Originally Posted by UberSteroids
Patience, but I think I finally got it on......medicationm for pain is 1x a day in the am when and only when its unbearable but it's getting much much better.....xanax is a wonder drug, and so are some of the other ssris.......I'll be there soon.....I love my meals, all organic, spaced every 2-3 hours, and then two nighttime snacks. Maybe it's the change to training at 730am instead of 4pm, but I just feel better. Sleep eat a hugggge bfast.......train...small shake and some rice cakes....then work and have 4 good meals there.....last 3 are protein and fat, but when I get home I just lounge, relax, watch the tube and chill.......146 today....abs are fading hard, but remember, NO CARDIO...as soon as I start up aggain (maybe about 190), I'll hit cardio again hard. I be a fing shredded full 6 pack 210 pound man, instead of a shredded 140lb puss.......Im amazed how strong I am now....not strong like I was, but hell....benching my weight for 10 reps is much more than 99% of the people in my gym........chest/tris 2x this week...........delts bis and back 3x....2 off days!
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06-15-2007, 02:02 PM #163Associate Member
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See how he totally ignores the thing about posting a picture? I move for a ban, he is against the rules not just by posting bad advice but by living by bad advice.
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06-15-2007, 02:33 PM #164Originally Posted by Columbus
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06-15-2007, 03:10 PM #165
You want to be 210 ripped? You'll never get there if You wont take of some of the advices of guys here. They're trying to help, You just ignore them. It seems like You just live in your own world, living by some picture that you have in mind. Fooling yourself on daily basis. What do you plan on to grow out of? Good intentions and dreams?
Soon, people will simply stop reading your posts and wont answer your questions.
Im done here.
Good luck anyways.
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06-15-2007, 03:30 PM #166Originally Posted by hillshooter
UBER - I'd admit, I have in the past greatly went against others...why? It's a brain chemical malfunction....100% uncontrollable if you knew anything about endomorphins and how the body acts....mine was off and still is HOWEVER I am seeking therapy 1x a week, seeing a nutrionalist and have been on an SSRI that has made me become a completely different person. Honestly......youll see....so tell me what I need to do right now...I'm eating extremely well (2900cals) I am gain 1-2lbs a week max, my training is 4x sometimes 5x a week for a max of 50 minutes.....no legs yet because of the loss of feeling, but Ill get there.....pizza and chocolate arent the answer. do i feel fat? Of course, are my abs fading, hell yes....is it ***ressing? yes, biut I will have to deal with it and with the help of the few whom stuck by me, Ill get there......have some confidence for me bro...I'm 50% there to being a changed man.....soon Ill get even better......my diet is 50,30,20...2900 which I think youd agree, sedetary all day is PLENTY!
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06-15-2007, 04:06 PM #167
I do have confidence in You man. How long has it been since I started reading Your posts. Always trying to give some good advice or push You more.
You got the attitude, you are extremely motivated.
Keep lifting, keep eating... You'll get where you want to be. Listen some of these guys, give it a shot at least,they know their stuff.
Take care!
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06-16-2007, 11:40 AM #168
Ok bro - It's truly amazing what a good councilor can do for you as well as SSRIS (ONLY IF NEEDED) I am ripped roaring and ready to go....so much more to life then bodybuilding, but I want to compete and I want to compete before I'm 34 (32 yesterday).....so thanks for all giving me this LAST AND FINAL SHOT! I rpomise, never before did I realize that the mental disorder was and is IMPOSSIBLE to break on your own......maybe now, witha clear head you guys could assist me in my diet and training and that will be set in stone. For the diet, I will check the scale 1x a week......if I go up 1-2 lbs, nothing changes,,,,,,down or stay the same, it goes up 500 cals. Cardio will be ZILCH during this 16 week phase,,,nothing except the walk of the dog, choress etc. raining will be a 2 on one off 3 on split....no more two a day shit. So the diet and training, can we say this is day one......I will permit myself 3 cheat meals a week,,,,,not cheat day feasts,,,,just good foods outside of my diet. Please offer any advice...keep in mind, I am on HRT bumped to 300mg cyp.....tossing in EQ at 500mg.
Diet will be about 2,900 based on 150lbs, 9%, and 6'2....do I need more till I at least get to 180? Should I **** the diet, get in the protein and eat everything else until I reach that weight? Here's what I am looking at:
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06-16-2007, 11:46 AM #169
700 PRO CARB FAT
1/2 CUP OATS 5.00 27.00 3.00 150.00
1 PC TOAST 4.00 20.00 2.00 110.00
GRAPFRUIT .5 2.00 15.00 0.10 100.00
1 EGG 6.00 1.00 5.50 80.00
1 CUP EGG WHITES 26.00 2.00 0.50 120.00
43.00 65.00 11.10 560.00
830:
TRAIN
930
WHEY 23.00 4.00 2.00 140.00
3 RICE CAKES 2.00 30.00 1.00 140.00
berries 2.00 15.00 0.50 110.00
27.00 49.00 3.50 390.00
1130
6OZ CHX 41.00 2.00 4.00 200.00
1/2 CUP OATS 5.00 27.00 3.00 150.00
1 APPLE 0.30 20.00 0.50 110.00
46.30 49.00 7.50 44-.00
230
CUP COTTAGE CHEESE 40.00 2.00 2.00 200.00
5oz yam or 1/2 cup oats 2.00 40.00 0.25 180.00
45.00 45.00 - 10.25 - 450.00
530
6OZ CHX 41.00 2.00 4.00 200.00
20 almonds 12.00 12.00 16.00 200.00
BROC, ASPARG, GREENS 2.00 20.00 1.00 120.00
55.00 34.00 - 21.00 - 520.00
900
CUP COTTAGE CHEESE 40.00 2.00 2.00 200.00
TB PB 4.00 4.00 8.00 100.00
10 ALMONDS 3.00 3.00 8.00 70.00
47.00 - 9.00 - 18.00 370.00
GRAND TOTAL 266.30 - 254.00 - 79.35 #REF! 2,735.00
cheats = kit kat bars, bags of licorize and bags of swedish fishh - my 3 favorites
peanut butter, dipped in hersheys may be one
or a couple of footlongs, maybe a medium a piza, etc....but like I said 2 or MAX sometimes none for the week, sometimes 3............water, diet pop rare, green tea and sarbux....
Finaly thought, I crash about 10, lately I have been waking up at 1 and 3 ravishing, it's cool to just have more cottage cheese and crash again right?
I am not worried about the abs, I'll keep an outline, but I just want to know I can get em back,,,,eso. with drawer I have....tren , mast, eq, etc........thats wayyyyy down the line along with cardio.....honest thoughts?
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06-16-2007, 12:14 PM #170
First thing I would do is get rid of "300mg cyp.....tossing in EQ at 500mg."
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06-16-2007, 12:46 PM #171
"my advice to to others is top notch and usually dead on.....my knowledge is incredible and that's not a toot on my own hnorn.....its a problem I have with applying it to myself......I know an extraordinary amount because I research, read, and re-research to a point of sickness...I just need to learn to apply it to myself....plain and simple"
Trust yourself.
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06-16-2007, 05:34 PM #172
I do and I trust you bros.....i pray everynite that u guys forgive my uncontrollable disease. I need u I need my fam and I just need some kickassin everyonce in awhile. my stomch kills and the mirror says I'm gettn fat but I need to forget it for 3 mnths.....i will be stgebound just keep me in check...hvt missed a meal yet and when I do feel like tossing some out I tell myself its the poison that is gonna help me meet0my new goal.....thnks again.....tomrrw gma and fam are having a cookout for my **ay....my last chance to show them how my coaches (u) hve chnged me....anything I need to chbge or add to my diet?00?" no prob to wake up and eat if I'm hungry right? seruously how's it look.
also since the aas use do I need to be eating even more? that in itself is gonna keep me on the leanvside right? mary jane mkes me tired mybe u need b12?
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06-18-2007, 11:57 AM #173
Something MUST be working....I have been training 1 hour after my first meal and then being a slug the rest of the day to conserve energy. Actually, I work in an office, go home, do some chores, then lounge and EATTTTT! No cardio. When I left the hospital fully ***leted I was 140....that was 17 days ago.......today, no cheats and no straying from my diet whatsoever, no missed meals and even eating sometimes at midnight if I'm hungry (a few allmnonds and cottage cheese) and I'm 152.......so many thought the cals would be too low and maybe it's just water weight (300mg test, 400mg eq, 50mg proviron ) but I'm getting stronger and just feel 100x better.,...think I'll have to bump the cals soon? For example, last week military 50lb dbells press 3 sets of 10, today 3 sets of 11 with 60's.....thoughts? Keep rolling or would you honestly crank it up a little more to get to a normal weight quicker......I want to be on stage in 2 years, will my progress be too slow? Still visible 4-5 pack in good light..........thanks for all the help!
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06-19-2007, 08:49 AM #174
Tuesday June 18th
weight is now 155lbs, after first big meal, fully s=clothed sweats and shoes
weight has gone up 13 lbs in 3 weeks....I know I was emanicapted from the hospital, weak and ***leted, but is this too much of a gain, or is just my muscles and bidy thanking me for finally giving it what it needs to grow. I'm getting stronger each time in the gym, just switched to am training and LOVE it but am confused to proper caloric intake....are the meals later in the day going towards recovers and therefore should be p/c/f, or should we move them to p/f......when do you suggest I think about reducing the cals and starting cardio...
Here's my dilemma......hopefully you can help......I'm 6'2 155...very light and about 8-9% bf....viisible 4 abs in good light and NO CARDIO! Training 2 on one off and eating a ton (for me)........is my meal schedule proper for am training? Should I still be having a couple of good size meals beofre bed to help fuel iup for tooorrow am even though I eat a good breakfast pre? I even wake around 1am and have some more cottage cheese and almonds IF IM HUNGRY, which is happening.....when would you say to start reducing cals maybe and or starting cardio? remember I want to compete in 2 years, so I need about 70lbs now, but truly dnt want to go over 10%.
Here's my major prob. I realize I am doing no cardio, just an intense 60 minutes of training....do you think a hardcore training for an hour burns as many cals as cardio> Am I burning cals all day since I trained early? This is just bafeling since Im used to pm training.....
I could understand losing abs and gain 10lbs over 3 weeks ( I was very emmanciapted to start, so glycogen stores could play a role) if I was eating shit every once in awhile, but I havent cheated in YEARS yet I'm still up in weight every single day.....are my cals out of wack? Is it the pm eating? Anything you say, Im all ears.....would LOVBE help!
Here's she is...clean!!! Why am I losing my cuts?
Is it water from 400mg /eq and cyp?
700 PRO CARB FAT
1/2 CUP OATS 5.00 27.00 3.00 150.00
1 PC TOAST 4.00 20.00 2.00 110.00
GRAPFRUIT .5 2.00 15.00 0.10 100.00
1 EGG 6.00 1.00 5.50 80.00
1 CUP EGG WHITES 26.00 2.00 0.50 120.00
43.00 65.00 11.10 560.00
830:
TRAIN
930
WHEY 23.00 4.00 2.00 140.00
3 RICE CAKES 2.00 30.00 1.00 140.00
berries 2.00 15.00 0.50 110.00
27.00 49.00 3.50 390.00
1130
6OZ CHX 41.00 2.00 4.00 200.00
1/2 CUP OATS 5.00 27.00 3.00 150.00
1 APPLE 0.30 20.00 0.50 110.00
46.30 49.00 7.50 44-.00
230
CUP COTTAGE CHEESE 40.00 2.00 2.00 200.00
5oz yam or 1/2 cup oats 2.00 40.00 0.25 180.00
45.00 45.00 - 10.25 - 450.00
530
6OZ CHX 41.00 2.00 4.00 200.00
20 almonds 12.00 12.00 16.00 200.00
BROC, ASPARG, GREENS 2.00 20.00 1.00 120.00
55.00 34.00 - 21.00 - 520.00
900
CUP COTTAGE CHEESE 40.00 2.00 2.00 200.00
TB PB 4.00 4.00 8.00 100.00
10 ALMONDS 3.00 3.00 8.00 70.00
47.00 - 9.00 - 18.00 370.00
GRAND TOTAL 266.30 - 254.00 - 79.35 #REF! 2,735.00
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06-19-2007, 01:37 PM #175
Good deal! Keep eating!
As far as lifts, well if You are doing 3 sets of 11 with 60s, it asks for a heavier weight. Go for 70s next time.
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06-19-2007, 03:37 PM #176
AMAZED AT THE WEIGHT GAIN ON SUCH SMALL CALS...OH....WELL...thanks uber....I try and beat my previous weeks each session.....last week 50x10, this week 60x11, next week 70X (goal will be 8)..etc.....thanks again, keep pounding!
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06-19-2007, 07:17 PM #177Originally Posted by Columbus
Oh how you can take something so simple and turn it into a science project. Lay off the numbers, the complicated posts, the questions, etc. Do what's best for you as you know yourself and your situation better than anyone. I will say that the root of all of your issues is fear, as your fear truly OWNS you. So don't say, "You'll see.....", to others until you've fully addressed your fear. Your situation specifically calls for you to believe in yourself, more than it does for the others to believe in what you desire.
If you really want good feedback regarding your regimen, then I will once again ask you to post up REAL pics. We've all learned to not trust your words, so lets allow these pictures to do the talking. We all want full body shots (more than just ab shots). You said your abs are fading away, so this is your chance to prove it.
(PS - I'm going to post up some new pictures in the near future as well. The difference between you and I is the fact that I don't talk about what I want to do. I just simply do it and then post the results. I encourage you to adhere to this same methodology.)
Mavs
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06-20-2007, 10:38 AM #178
Thanks Mav - no pics yet.....when I get em, I'll make to drop them off, but until then, PLEASE be kind and remember I dont have any right now ..thanks!
thanks for all the help boys......if you would just take a quick quick glance at my current diet and give me some feedbacl on some toehr questions, I'd be really exactic.
eVER SINCE i GOT OUT OF THE HOPITALS WHICH WAS 3 WEEKS AGO tomorrow, I've been training on a 2 day on 1 day of rest routine. Toda was the first day in three weeks where I actually did a HEAVY (for me) back session and it felt geat. Heavy rows, tbar rows and deadlifts. Sure I only got 205 for 7 reps rest/pause, but it felt great. Mind you I was almost in a coma three weeks ago and eating was a dire struggle.'
Since then my training of chest, tris, bis light legs and shoulders have all gone extremely well. I am increasing the weight each session or adding a rep and the weights are finally feeling lighter. Yes I am weak, but keep in mind, after weeks of IV as your only source of nutrients, plays a huge role. Well, they let me go, with high liver enymes only. No cancer, no hiv, nothing out of the world, just need to follow up with the docs. He put me on oxycotin for pain which I have abused in the past (1 tab a day max) but with only two left, it's only in emergencies and that is done.
Here's my problem. I am 6'2....I left the hospital totally dpleted, emanciapted and weak at 140lbs clothed. That was just eating what I could obviously no lifting. I took the first week to just go through the motions get the blood flowimng etc and get my mnd back on track. I am seeing a shring and a nutionislts on a regular basis. I am on paxil (which I feel works great to help releive my anxiety) and valium/ambien to sleep. Someitmes I am allowed to take xanax if I feel like I'm going insane, but have been pretty good about it. Well, 3 weeks have gone by with me training about 4 tiimes each week and wei***ng myself each time. I've been folloing the above diet and doing NO CARDIO whatsoever, ujnless you call a few drop sets or supersets here and there cardio. My goal is to bulk up as clean as possible and try to keep my abbs in tact as much as possible (i.e. not go over 10%) so cutting will be easier. I am just concerned for a few reasons. One, although I am getting stronger, my abs are fading. Now I can understand this if I gorged and ate whatever, but you know me....havent cheated in YEARS!!!!! Today also, I am on a hrt base of 250mg every 2 weeks. I bumped it up two weeks ago to 100mg eod so about 300-400mg a week of enth and just added eq at 400mg for my ownm sake and for the mere fact that I wanted to, at 31, I feel like I have that right. I dont party, etc.
Ok, so I'm on the scale this am after breakfasast and I weigh in at 157.....?? WHAAT?? Sre it is fully clothed, two shirts, shoes, etc, but 17 pounds??? Is this fat? Is it because I have been eating one hour pretraining? Is it because of water weight?? I dont give a **** really because you know, I want o be on stage in two years. How the **** am I gonna get there at 6'2 and 160? I'm noit......I just wouldnt care AS MUCH if I ate whatever, but I am so regimented that it would ***ress anyone. So, can you guys do me one lst favor. Just tell me what I need to do to compete and I,m there...if gaining wait no matter what my body looks like now will make me stronger and get me there then I'll do it. My goal was to do NO CARDO for this 16 weekbulker, but now I'm womndering if thje weight is coming too fast.
Please dont read this and make me sound like a head case, but at one time I was BIHG and and =you guys hated me then, so I want to get back on your side...whatever it takes...be real with me......my cals dont even seem that high....so, if I train hard as helll, eat right, stayh away from the drunk seen acene lift and enjouy lift while eatimng and resting, will I make it" When dould you start cardio> Please please please...anyu advice - huge KRMA!!!! Thanks bros, I'm back and PRMISE to you.....abs are fading but if I can get em baclk, who the f cares! Please assist! Your friend, jeff
MORNING TRAINING
700 PRO CARB FAT
1/2 CUP OATS 5.00 27.00 3.00 150.00
1 PC TOAST 4.00 20.00 2.00 110.00
APPLE 1.00 40.00 1.00 150.00
1 CUP EGG WHITES 26.00 2.00 0.50 120.00
36.00 89.00 6.50 530.00
TRAIN
930
2 WHEY 46.00 8.00 4.00 250.00
RICE CAKES 2.00 30.00 1.00 130.00
berries 2.00 15.00 0.50 110.00
50.00 53.00 5.50 490.00
1130
4OZ CHX 27.33 1.33 2.66 133.33
1/2 CUP OATS 5.00 27.00 3.00 150.00
3/4 APPLE 0.50 30.00 0.75 130.00
32.83 58.33 6.41 413.33
230
3/4 CUP COTTAGE CHEESE 30.00 1.50 1.50 160.00
3/4 CUP OATS 8.00 45.00 5.00 270.00
10 ALMONDS 3.00 3.00 8.00 70.00
41.00 49.50 - 14.50 - 500.00
530
4OZ BISON 30.00 3.00 5.00 165.00
20 almonds 12.00 12.00 16.00 200.00
vwggies 1.00 20.00 1.50 120.00
43.00 35.00 - 22.50 - 485.00
900
3/4 CUP COTTAGE CHEESE 30.00 1.50 1.50 160.00
TB PB 4.00 4.00 8.00 100.00
20 almonds 12.00 12.00 16.00 200.00
46.00 - 17.50 - 25.50 460.00
GRAND TOTAL 260.83 - 314.33 - 96.91 #REF! 3,078.33
me some feedbacl on some toehr questions, I'd be really exactic.Last edited by Columbus; 06-20-2007 at 12:01 PM.
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06-20-2007, 12:05 PM #179
When Do I Add Cardio? 175lbs>?
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06-20-2007, 12:10 PM #180
Nobody can tell you when to add cardio, C.
You should honestly chart your progress with pics...when you get up to 175 post it up and then members can make an informed suggestion.
If you're putting on weight right now, keep doing what you're doing. Don't weigh yourself everyday either. The mirror will play tricks on someone as obessive as you. Keep pics and when you've progressed post them up...
You have to stick to it, though...I know you have problems, but the time comes where you have to understand you have complete control over yourself...man up, stick to it, and chart your progress.
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06-22-2007, 11:11 AM #181
Friday June 21, 2007
Meal 1
1 hour later (Chest/calves)
Incline bench finished with 160x4
Flat Fly x 3
Smith Bench finished wih 185x4
Inc Fly x 3
Decline 3 sets
Standing calfs and seated calf 6 sets.......then 90 minutes of cardio.....(KIDDING)
weight is 157...that's 17lbs since 3 weeks ago...something has to be going right.
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