Traps with back or shoulders?

[RaidersFan]

So far i have been doing my traps with my back but i switched my routine so that i am doing biceps with back im not sure if i should train traps with my back or with my shoulders

[pvit486]

It doesn't make a difference.

[JAYROD]

i usually do them with shoulders but i put em in with back and tri's sometimes. it's all in your preferance.

[takedownII]

you'll hit traps inevitably with back, if you want to hit them a little extra i would throw them in with shoulders. shoulder day is when i do my heavy trap movements like shrugs.

if you do this, i would just make sure back day and shoulder day have a few days in between for better recovery

[Ajc330]

your back training i would sya only one exercise could hit your traps, deadlifts....but in your shoulder routine there are a few number of movements that hit your traps as well so i would stick them with your shoulders, upright rows, bent over rear lateral raises etc

[sonnygll]

The upper traps, which I assume you are referring to, are involved in shoulder elevation, but are also used in rowing movements with the other 2 parts of the trap.
Working your upper traps with back shouldn't affect shoulders and working it with shoulders shouldn't affect back either. I like to do it with lateral raises or upright rows myself.

[RaidersFan]

the only thing is that my shoulder day is thursday and back and biceps is friday im not sure if that would be overtraining at all.

[takedownII]

can you rearrange your split? what does your split look like now? post it if you want

[RaidersFan]

MOnday - Chest, triceps

Tuesday - legs

Thursday-shoulders, traps

Friday - back, biceps

I try to keep chest far apart from shoulders and legs far apart from back so my legs are good for deadlifts so i dont no how i would change it around.

[takedownII]

what if you just switched thursday and monday around???

[Ajc330]

i do delt/trap thursday and back friday don't worry it's fine

[RaidersFan]

Alright cool thanks for the advice.

[sonnygll]

When you're on cycle it probably doesn't matter, but otherwise you won't get as much out of your back workout if your rear delts are cooked.

[Ajc330]

When you're on cycle it probably doesn't matter, but otherwise you won't get as much out of your back workout if your rear delts are cooked.

i would have to disagree, what are you using your rear delts for? maybe you are referring to tbar rows or some sort of row that is the only thing that may hit your rear delt, but deadlift, lat pulldown, pullups, chinups these don't touch rear delts and are best back developing exercises... but like i said rows MAY hit your rear delt depening how far back you are pulling the weight but they probably don't touch rear delt

[juiceball88]

ur gonna hit traps on back day and shoulder day. i like shoulders and traps/, i dont like being sore on a muscle because of hitting it with secondary training.

[jbarkley]

When I started training with my current partner I did his program (if his traps get any bigger he won't be able to hear....they'll be covering his ears) we start out with shrugs before shoulders. My traps have come up better than they have ever been, keep in mind I've been training for 30 years and will be 49 next month....so it really is saying something for this routine. Try it for two months and see if it works for you....

[Joe Dic]

I noticed mine really popping up when I started doin shrugs(nice and slow) and reverse pec deck on shoulder day. I find if I do traps on backday (have same split as you do shoulders thur. back fri.) My shoulders are to sore still to do a good trap workout.

[john vega]

i wud hit traps with back since you are its the same anatomy. if u hit traps with delts, than id make sure that ur back days are trained far away from shoulders to enhance recovery that you will indirectly imply if u hit em with either muscle group.

[Ajc330]

i wud hit traps with back since you are its the same anatomy. if u hit traps with delts, than id make sure that ur back days are trained far away from shoulders to enhance recovery that you will indirectly imply if u hit em with either muscle group.

how are you hittin traps with any back exercise? if anything i'd say deadlift

there are only a few ways to hit traps, shrugs upright rows and some rear laterals, i'm pretty sure that's it

[takedownII]

how are you hittin traps with any back exercise? if anything i'd say deadlift

there are only a few ways to hit traps, shrugs upright rows and some rear laterals, i'm pretty sure that's it

you're way off, traps are back, there are numerous exercises to hit traps, including many back exercises obviously

[S.P.G]

you're way off, traps are back, there are numerous exercises to hit traps, including many back exercises obviously

i agree.....i hit em with back 3-4 sets shrugs at start or end.

[Renesis]

I find that bent over rows and touching to your sternum and higher hits the traps nice and hard!

[sonnygll]

AJC330, I am talking about bent over row, Yates row and t-bar. It is true that more lat oriented exercise don't use them much and neither do lower back exercises. However I think rows are an important part of a back workout which is why I stand by not doing back with cooked rear delts. Now of course you could put horizontal plane with delts and do the vertical plane back lifts the day after. I kind of like that sometimes, doing all rowing 1 day and then chins and pulldowns another day.

[sonnygll]

Hate to double post, but I see a bit of a misunderstanding going with some people saying "traps" and meaning all three heads of the trapezius. While others are saying "traps" and only talking about the upper head that sticks up between the neck and shoulders and does shoulder elevation.

The traps form a kite shape and are in 6 sections. Take a look at Dorian Yates doing a rear double biceps. The upper fibers do shrugs and such, and rows to a lesser extent. Middle fibers work a bit with shrugs, but are mainly worked with rowing and to a lesser extent with chins and pulldowns. The lower fibers are also mostly rowing movements. Middle and lower fibers stabilize during deadlift variations and some shoulder pressing, especially when standing.

It looks everyone has noticed the main problem with splitting things up and trying to work everything.... OVERLAP! I don't think a perfect solutions really exists for overlap. You just have to find something that works for you.

[Joe Dic]

Hate to double post, but I see a bit of a misunderstanding going with some people saying "traps" and meaning all three heads of the trapezius. While others are saying "traps" and only talking about the upper head that sticks up between the neck and shoulders and does shoulder elevation.

The traps form a kite shape and are in 6 sections. Take a look at Dorian Yates doing a rear double biceps. The upper fibers do shrugs and such, and rows to a lesser extent. Middle fibers work a bit with shrugs, but are mainly worked with rowing and to a lesser extent with chins and pulldowns. The lower fibers are also mostly rowing movements. Middle and lower fibers stabilize during deadlift variations and some shoulder pressing, especially when standing.

It looks everyone has noticed the main problem with splitting things up and trying to work everything.... OVERLAP! I don't think a perfect solutions really exists for overlap. You just have to find something that works for you.

exactly.

[Ajc330]

Hate to double post, but I see a bit of a misunderstanding going with some people saying "traps" and meaning all three heads of the trapezius. While others are saying "traps" and only talking about the upper head that sticks up between the neck and shoulders and does shoulder elevation.

The traps form a kite shape and are in 6 sections. Take a look at Dorian Yates doing a rear double biceps. The upper fibers do shrugs and such, and rows to a lesser extent. Middle fibers work a bit with shrugs, but are mainly worked with rowing and to a lesser extent with chins and pulldowns. The lower fibers are also mostly rowing movements. Middle and lower fibers stabilize during deadlift variations and some shoulder pressing, especially when standing.

It looks everyone has noticed the main problem with splitting things up and trying to work everything.... OVERLAP! I don't think a perfect solutions really exists for overlap. You just have to find something that works for you.

good post bro