Is this nuts or am I just a tard?

[Johny-too-small]

Okay bros, a trainer at the my gym thought I was in need of a change from my current split:

1: Chest/Tri
2: Rest
3: Legs/Abs
4: Rest
5: Back/Bi
6: Rest
7: Soulders

My stats: 5'9, 196, 10% bf, anabolic user, been in the gym for a while.
I typically started ea. workout with heavy compound exercises followed by isolations to end it.
Back to point, this trainer said I need change and he laid this out for me (now that I am cutting):

1: FRONT (Quads, Pecks, Bis)

3 sets heavy squats
2 sets leg press (wide and closed stance)
4 sets seated leg press (2 sets heels out / 2 sets heels in)
3 sets heavy bench press
2 sets cable crosses
2 sets db ball press
3 sets hammer strength preacher curl
2 sets rope pulls
2 sets db curls

All compounds 10 reps: 30-45 second rest / All isos 12-15 reps: 30 second rest

2: REST
3: BACK (Hams, Tri, Back)

3 sets heavy lat pull downs
3 sets heavy v-grip seated rows
2 sets seated row (machine)
4 sets standing weighted hamstring curls
3 sets seated hamstring curls – negatives (machine)
2 sets heavy seated triceps push downs
2 sets cable preacher curl reverse grip triceps pull downs

4: REST
5: REPEAT

He insists that change is a must every 4-6 weeks and this program will shock my body into new growth.
I have my thoughts, what are yours? All flaming/praise is welcome so dont hold back. LOL.

[MFT81]

Is your current routine broke? if not dont fix it.

I dont really like the new one, I prefer your old routine.

[200byjune]

i dont like it new 1 but i would try it for 4 weeks

[SMCengineer]

Your gonna be able to do all thaose exercises after you do heavy squats?

Personally, I like your split. It looks a lot like mine. You could change it, but that doesn't necessarily mean you have to change the whole split. You could just change the lifts you do or you could change the rep ranges.

[DKU]

You're original routine is better. You can shock your system by just increasing the weight.

The new one looks like it's taxing too many parts at once. I think it's better to spread it out a little.

[Polska]

I'd stick to your old routine. The only possible thing I would change if it were me would be moving shoulders to a different day, as you're training shoulders on day 7 and then chest on day 1. So your shoulders are still taxed when you're training chest

[Johny-too-small]

Is your current routine broke? if not dont fix it.

I dont really like the new one, I prefer your old routine.

Agreed and I felt like crap after doing the first workout...btw, good to see you around. Have you gone to the darkside yet?

Your gonna be able to do all thaose exercises after you do heavy squats?

Personally, I like your split. It looks a lot like mine. You could change it, but that doesn't necessarily mean you have to change the whole split. You could just change the lifts you do or you could change the rep ranges.

Agreed, and thats what I have been doing up to this point, thanks.

You're original routine is better. You can shock your system by just increasing the weight.

The new one looks like it's taxing too many parts at once. I think it's better to spread it out a little.

Yeah, 30 minutes in to the workout I was breathing like a fatty going upstairs. It was terrible.

I'd stick to your old routine. The only possible thing I would change if it were me would be moving shoulders to a different day, as you're training shoulders on day 7 and then chest on day 1. So your shoulders are still taxed when you're training chest

True. I do take a day off on day 8. I failed to write that. Thanks.

[ottomaddox]

Frontside and backside, never heard of that, whatever happens to the old Push/Pull technique. Stick to the original setup. The new setup looks like you'd be overtraining.
Good luck,
CR
Try changing the order of your exercises. I always start my leg training with hamstrings.

[MuscleScience]

4-6 weeks maybe a bit early the body will not fully adapt for the most part for a good 8-12 weeks. You have to figure in the boredom factor to I could never be on and exercise program for that long without change. Plus Shocking the body is a catch phrase. You shock the body anytime you do something it is not used to, say like going on an all night drinking binge.

BTW you don't need a lot of education to be a trainer so unless you know they have a exercise/biology degree, or they have been training for a long time and have a good rep. Take what they say with a grain of salt, of course that goes with anyone including Ph.D's too.

[Johny-too-small]

4-6 weeks maybe a bit early the body will not fully adapt for the most part for a good 8-12 weeks. You have to figure in the boredom factor to I could never be on and exercise program for that long without change. Plus Shocking the body is a catch phrase. You shock the body anytime you do something it is not used to, say like going on an all night drinking binge.

BTW you don't need a lot of education to be a trainer so unless you know they have a exercise/biology degree, or they have been training for a long time and have a good rep. Take what they say with a grain of salt, of course that goes with anyone including Ph.D's too.

lol...true true. I kept asking myself this question as well, "Why trust him here when I wouldnt trust him with mowing my yard without killing himself?"

[MuscleScience]

[QUOTE=Johny-too-small;3908649]

4-6 weeks maybe a bit early the body will not fully adapt for the most part for a good 8-12 weeks. You have to figure in the boredom factor to I could never be on and exercise program for that long without change. Plus Shocking the body is a catch phrase. You shock the body anytime you do something it is not used to, say like going on an all night drinking binge.

BTW you don't need a lot of education to be a trainer so unless you know they have a exercise/biology degree, or they have been training for a long time and have a good rep. Take what they say with a grain of salt, of course that goes with anyone including Ph.D's too.[/QUOTE]

lol...true true. I kept asking myself this question as well, "Why trust him here when I wouldnt trust him with mowing my yard without killing himself?"

I taught undergrad advanced exercise physiology for awhile and you would be suprised how many personal trainers came through there. Some got good grades and some well got not so good grades. I was amazing to me that they had a cert to tell people how to train or whatever yet they couldn't pass the a class that is a basis for their profession. Not trying to say there is no such thing as a good trainer because the ones that passed the class were very good plus personal training is an excellent way to make money and get experience for going on with into professions like Physical Therapy, Strength Coach (CSCS), Exercise Physiologist ect. I might add that a person does not have to go to College to be educated on the matter. But like I said you have to make sure that they know what they are talking about.

[green22]

I dont like your new one.

[GCgainer]

You know your body better than anyone. If your still growing than why change your routine. Just throw in some supersets and drop sets for a muscle shock. This will spark new growth. You dont need a new routine for cutting, its all about you diet.

[MFT81]

Agreed and I felt like crap after doing the first workout...btw, good to see you around. Have you gone to the darkside yet?

Thanks man, and no unless you count last years havoc cycle that I did.

just for the hell of it, heres a routine I recommend quite a bit.

Day 1. Back/Hams/Calves

Day 2. OFF

Day 3. Chest/Tris/Abs

Day 4. OFF

Day 5. Quads/Hams/Calves

Day 6. Shoulders/Bis/Abs

Day 7. OFF

Sometimes ill move day 6 to day 3 and then on day 6 ill skip chest and just do bis and tris cause my arms suck.

[-DedicateD-]

Okay bros, a trainer at the my gym thought I was in need of a change from my current split:

1: Chest/Tri
2: Rest
3: Legs/Abs
4: Rest
5: Back/Bi
6: Rest
7: Soulders

My stats: 5'9, 196, 10% bf, anabolic user, been in the gym for a while.
I typically started ea. workout with heavy compound exercises followed by isolations to end it.
Back to point, this trainer said I need change and he laid this out for me (now that I am cutting):

1: FRONT (Quads, Pecks, Bis)

3 sets heavy squats
2 sets leg press (wide and closed stance)
4 sets seated leg press (2 sets heels out / 2 sets heels in)
3 sets heavy bench press
2 sets cable crosses
2 sets db ball press
3 sets hammer strength preacher curl
2 sets rope pulls
2 sets db curls

All compounds 10 reps: 30-45 second rest / All isos 12-15 reps: 30 second rest

2: REST
3: BACK (Hams, Tri, Back)

3 sets heavy lat pull downs
3 sets heavy v-grip seated rows
2 sets seated row (machine)
4 sets standing weighted hamstring curls
3 sets seated hamstring curls – negatives (machine)
2 sets heavy seated triceps push downs
2 sets cable preacher curl reverse grip triceps pull downs

4: REST
5: REPEAT

He insists that change is a must every 4-6 weeks and this program will shock my body into new growth.
I have my thoughts, what are yours? All flaming/praise is welcome so dont hold back. LOL.

It looks like a modified HIT routine to me utilizing the 2 different workouts and 3 days a week schedule

I like the idea of workout A and workout B, but I dont care for the choice of exercises each day and the amount of volume used

I started something new that im testing out right now which is similar

A:
incline db press(3)
squats(3)
standing db shoulder press(3)
bb shrugs(3)
tricep dips(3)

B:
deadlifts(3)
laying leg curl(3)
weighted wgpu(2)
weighted cgpu(2)
db row(2)
wg seated row(2)
bb curl(3)

*abs and calves are done every or every other workout

Workout A and B are alternated M, W, F