when to do dead lifts??

[gotjuice?]

do u guys do dead lifts with back or shoulders??? i have heard mixed reviews...

[kaberle_15]

Back

[CeeLo]

Back, but shoot I don't even do them. I haven't fully understood the purpose of deadlifts. If they are just for the lower back. I really don't concentrate on the lower back. There are also stiff-leg and regular deadlifts. I thought one hit the back and the other the hamstrings.

I would rather get the las and the upper back to pop out and get that V look!


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[SMCengineer]

Depends on what kind of deadlift you're doing. If you're doing them from an elevated platform, than you're gonna be hitting your hamstrings/lower back more. If you're doing conventional deadlifts from the floor you're gonna be hitting a wide range of muscles from your legs to your lower back to your upper back/traps. If you're doing rack pulls, which are basically deadlifts starting at your shins, than you're gonna be working primarily back muscles and not really working your legs anymore. Of course there's a ton of variations of the deadlift, but you get the jist. There's really nothing that compares to deadlifting for your back (lower and upper), traps, and pretty much your entire body. I, however, would never do deadlifts for my shoulders (even though I've found that it does wonders for your rear delts). I would save them for either legs or back, again, depending upon which variation you choose to do.

[3v1lj03]

Depends on what kind of deadlift you're doing. If you're doing them from an elevated platform, than you're gonna be hitting your hamstrings/lower back more. If you're doing conventional deadlifts from the floor you're gonna be hitting a wide range of muscles from your legs to your lower back to your upper back/traps. If you're doing rack pulls, which are basically deadlifts starting at your shins, than you're gonna be working primarily back muscles and not really working your legs anymore. Of course there's a ton of variations of the deadlift, but you get the jist. There's really nothing that compares to deadlifting for your back (lower and upper), traps, and pretty much your entire body. I, however, would never do deadlifts for my shoulders (even though I've found that it does wonders for your rear delts). I would save them for either legs or back, again, depending upon which variation you choose to do.

Right ON! if you want mass deadlift

[RJstrong]

I always pull on back day... usually starting with deads. Nothing better IMO if you wanna get really dense muscle from top to bottom.

[green22]

back day. build size and strength, least for me they do.

[CeeLo]

I just don't see them hitting the total body. I do the upright rows for the upper back, shoulders, and back.

I don't see how using your lower back to straighten up your dispostion (while keeping the arms totally straight) is going to hit any other muscle.

[BIGMAC250]

ive been doing them for the past few weeks and im seeing gains all around....it is one of those lifts that get ur natty gh levels going...like doing squats...because it is such a large comple** group of muscles....when your doing regular deads...ur using ur legs arms and every muscle in your back...then when you come to the top of the motion and through your dick through the wall your squeezing your back...atleast thats what it feels like to me....i even feel lit in my abs a little bit....when your keeping your back straight....its a good lift....and like Blome said if you do partial deads you feel it way more in you lower back and your hams because your quads aint as involved in getting the weight up.

[MFT81]

I just don't see them hitting the total body. I do the upright rows for the upper back, shoulders, and back.

I don't see how using your lower back to straighten up your dispostion (while keeping the arms totally straight) is going to hit any other muscle.

How do you NOT?

If were talking about a conventional Dead Lift from the floor. Look at your body postion from the start. Its almost exact as a proper squat form, and then you pull up the weight to a standing postion. Dude that all posterior chain right there.

the lower back is NOT suposed to be targeted during a deadlift, it only acts as a stabilizer. The primary muscles are hams, glutes, quads. The back is staticly contracted and helps out.

Im sure you understand all of this and if you dont do deads thats fine I dont due to injury (I still do rack pulls though)

as far as your comment on v-taper that looks great from the front but if you look from the side, wheres the depth? if pullups and rows get you good depth awesome, I know that I wouldnt have the depth I have without deads

[MFT81]

So my answear is this,

Do deads for legs, Do deads for back, Do deads for full body,

Basically Do deads, period.

[WelshWarrior]

do u guys do dead lifts with back or shoulders??? i have heard mixed reviews...

Deads with back, always. Deads hit your back hard, to do them with shoulders would not make sense unless you did all your back workout then.

Back, but shoot I don't even do them. I haven't fully understood the purpose of deadlifts. If they are just for the lower back. I really don't concentrate on the lower back. There are also stiff-leg and regular deadlifts. I thought one hit the back and the other the hamstrings.

I would rather get the las and the upper back to pop out and get that V look!

They are for all of your back and to a lesser extent all of your body. Do 5 heavy sets then consider if it just does lower back. Find me a person who can DL 500lbs plus with no 'V'.

[CeeLo]

I may incorporate them in a see how I feel and what difference it makes. Thanks for all the input.

I agree that it is best to do them on back days.

[B.E.N.]

I agree that it is best to do them on back days.

Bro, if you don't even do them then how are you 'qualified' to give an opinion on way or another?!?! You can't see how they are just about a full body exercise (that's why they're a COMPOUND lift)?!?!

A lot of your post are like this...if you don't know the answer or are not informed then just read other's informed answers. Seriously...some people here are new to the sport and your uninformed answers cloud others informative answers.

It's okay not to know but is not okay to just give uninformed opinions. I don't know close to what some of these guys know about cycles or PCT...check my posts...you don't see me posting over there unless I have a question. I keep to what I know well...

Sorry I hijacked it just chaps me a bit...this guy has a serious question and we've got Joey Real World saying why bother with Deadlifts? Come on...

[CeeLo]

Bro, if you don't even do them then how are you 'qualified' to give an opinion on way or another?!?! You can't see how they are just about a full body exercise (that's why they're a COMPOUND lift)?!?!

A lot of your post are like this...if you don't know the answer or are not informed then just read other's informed answers. Seriously...some people here are new to the sport and your uninformed answers cloud others informative answers.

It's okay not to know but is not okay to just give uninformed opinions. I don't know close to what some of these guys know about cycles or PCT...check my posts...you don't see me posting over there unless I have a question. I keep to what I know well...

Sorry I hijacked it just chaps me a bit...this guy has a serious question and we've got Joey Real World saying why bother with Deadlifts? Come on...

I have done deadlifts before and I know what they feel like and I felt them in my back if I do the stiff leg deadlifts. I have also done dead lifts for the legs. I know the primarily target the BACK. So, I am just as qualified to answer the question as you are.

Just because I don't like to do them, doesn't mean I can't answer a simple question. That was a very simple question. I know better than to do them on shoulder days, which it targets the shoulders little to NONE. Plus he ould be overworking the back if he did back the day before and then turned around and did deads the next day or vice versa.

What the hell does Joey the Real world have to do with answering this question. It was in the AR forum, which I can talk about whatever the HE** I want to in there. I'm about to post a question on "dog breeding". Does that mean that I can't answer a question on "Dieting", of course NOT!


So take your chaps and keep them to yourself!

I don't answer as questions either, but I do know how to mix up some gear, so I have ansswered that. If I don't think that I know enough about I read it, take it in and move on. But if I do, I will comment and its up to the board to prove me wrong or voice another opinon. That's why ITS MY OPINON.

[green22]

cpreasha, Ive read some of your questions and a few make it sound like you have hardly and knowledge about training. Not trying to be a butthead, but I can see why folks are saying this to you.

[B.E.N.]

I have done deadlifts before and I know what they feel like and I felt them in my back if I do the stiff leg deadlifts. I have also done dead lifts for the legs. I know the primarily target the BACK. So, I am just as qualified to answer the question as you are.

Just because I don't like to do them, doesn't mean I can't answer a simple question. That was a very simple question. I know better than to do them on shoulder days, which it targets the shoulders little to NONE. Plus he ould be overworking the back if he did back the day before and then turned around and did deads the next day or vice versa.

I don't want to argue with you but read what you wrote. You don't do deadlifts because you don't see the significance. Obviously you don't understand the mechanics of the lift or your form is terrible. Either one disqualifies you from giving an informative answer/opinion.

Your comment about deads targeting the shoulders further illustrates your lack of insight on this topic. Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean others want to hear it. Real knowledge? By all means share...

[CeeLo]

So here is an article written about deadlifts and unless I missed something, it appears that it saying something to the effect of what I was saying, in that, the major muscles targeted are the back and the legs. However, it does state that it releases HORMONES that build muscles.

Here is a summary of the article in case you care not to read the whole thing.

1)The Deadlift is a mass building exercise which causes "muscle building" hormones to be released by your body.

2) It is important to understand the kinesiology of the exercise, as described in detail above.

3) Correct form is very important. The most important things to watch for are keeping your spine straight throughout the entire exercise, keeping the barbell close to your legs at all times, and inhaling during the downward phase, and exhaling once you are halfway back up to the standing position.

4) The Deadlift works the calves, glutes, hamstrings, and lower back.

[CeeLo]

cpreasha, Ive read some of your questions and a few make it sound like you have hardly and knowledge about training. Not trying to be a butthead, but I can see why folks are saying this to you.

And which questions would those be. I don't claim to know everything or mostly everything, but I have been lifting for over 10 years and I think that I have learned quite a bit.

[perfectbeast2001]

Deads on back day and str8 leg deads on legs day for hams (or train hams on back day!)

Deads are one of the 3 basic excercises that EVERYONE should do (unless they cant through injury). I get so fed up of walking into the gym and listening to guys saying they dont squat/dead/bench because (insert some lame excuse). Bottom line is if your not doing these its because they are difficult and uncomfortable and you are a lazy *****. So suck it up!

[quadsofsteel]

Damn. How do u manage to fit deads for back day, and stiff leg deads on leg day? Usually between healing time and other workouts, theres no way I can fit em both in. For leg day I squat. Back day, stiff leg dead. Do you have a good training split u can share with me to fit all of these mass workoutouts into the schedule? because i can't see how i'd squat and deadlift in one day.

[green22]

I recall one where you stated that you use all these hammer strength machines for chest but question why your chest doesnt grow. Then when heavy free weight basics is suggested you are shocked to here it like that is the ggreatest idea. another was thinking that you had gyno, but looks to most of us that its fat. It just seems to me that those are pretty simple ansures. now this about deads...and this is just off the top of my head. especially if you been training 10 years???? Like I said not trying to be a butt, but this is why people are questioning your questions and comments.

[RoadToRecovery]

I do deads on my leg days... Not because i think its a leg exercise, its just what day i do them. I do all of my heavy/power lifting exercises on leg days.

Dead Lifts
Shrugs
Squats
Olympic Lift variant(I dont squat I just pick the weight up to my collar bone then press it)
And then my leg workout.

Sometimes Ill do em on back day. Other times on leg day. Theres no day where you HAVE to do em do to the fact that its practically an all body exercise. Now if you were talkin about doin curls on chest day, thats somethin to get flamed about.

Also, you dont have to do something to have knowledge in the department.

[CeeLo]

I recall one where you stated that you use all these hammer strength machines for chest but question why your chest doesnt grow. Then when heavy free weight basics is suggested you are shocked to here it like that is the ggreatest idea. another was thinking that you had gyno, but looks to most of us that its fat. It just seems to me that those are pretty simple ansures. now this about deads...and this is just off the top of my head. especially if you been training 10 years???? Like I said not trying to be a butt, but this is why people are questioning your questions and comments.

I do have gyno, it is not fat. But I'm sure you can see that in the picture! If there is tenderness and a lump behind them, not much else it can be. I was just getting a second opinon. Gyno has nothing to do with lifting weights. I am new to the use of aas or pro-hormones and therefore is the reason why I asked.

As far as the free weights go, Yeah, I asked that one because I wanted to get an opinon on who else used hammer strength. The main reason I didn't use free weights was because I didn't have a spotter and hammer strength was easier to use. My chest grew, but not as fast as I wanted them to. I got the answer to my question, and it made me suck it up and use the free weights and I'm glad that I asked that question. Because now I use the free weights primarily.

You can't say that someone has hardly NO knowledge on something because they ask a question here and there. There is always a different approach to things and NO-ONE is going to KNOW IT ALL.

[CeeLo]

Also, you dont have to do something to have knowledge in the department.

Thanks Road!

[B.E.N.]

Maybe not...and they'll get about as much respect as A. Roberts.

I'm not taking my bodybuilding cues from someone that doesn't deadlift because they don't think it's effective.

[RoadToRecovery]

Maybe not...and they'll get about as much respect as A. Roberts.

I'm not taking my bodybuilding cues from someone that doesn't deadlift because they don't think it's effective.

Everyone has their own theories... Now im not saying that I agree... however everyone has there own way of doing shit.

I understand your practice what you preach mentality and respect it.
But who is to say the dude doesnt know what hes talking about because his methods are different?

[B.E.N.]

I understand your practice what you preach mentality and respect it.
But who is to say the dude doesnt know what hes talking about because his methods are different?

I haven't fully understood the purpose of deadlifts. If they are just for the lower back. I really don't concentrate on the lower back. There are also stiff-leg and regular deadlifts. I thought one hit the back and the other the hamstrings.

[RoadToRecovery]

Hey like i said, its not that i agree with him

Im definitely with you... however, one wild pitch remark doesnt make a man crazy.