How come i have never heard of DC here ?

**Ronnie Rowland** · 10-16-2008, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Johny-too-small

DC is great. That guy has turned many ordinary bros into monsters. Imo, there are some major points that hold true about his and any good program:

1. Drug moderation - use anabolics for help. They dont change your genetics. Really, if you want to stay in this game for a while (healthy) you need to be healthy. All you need is Test.

2. Consistancy - Get on a training program and stick to it. Hammer it. Not for 4-6-8 weeks but for 2 or more years. Anyone can get to 250lbs lean...its how you will look that will make or break you (Ibff pro).

3. Lift the Slag Iron - Forget form, forget reps. Lift as heavy as you can everytime you lift. In otherwords, grow a pair and pick up the heaviest thing you can till you cant anymore. Then go home and eat and sleep.

There is a few other basics but I dont think its right of me to give out info that many pay for.

1) Johnny, I agree with moderation but I do not agree that test is the only drug needed to succeed in bodybuilding. In fact, due to water retention, some do worse with testosterone . Like KALE once said and I quote to the best my memory serves -"If he had to do it all over again he would have used less test and more drugs like tren ". He explained why and maybe he or someone else will provide a link to his post.

2) Not everyone can get to 250 lbs lean..No way!

3) Form is very important but so is heavy weights. The mind-muscle-link is very real. It separates bodybuilding from powerlifting!

**Johny-too-small** · 10-16-2008, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by TR'05

I hope they don't pay too much.

Really? Why is that?

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland

1) Johnny, I agree with moderation but I do not agree that test is the only drug needed to succeed in bodybuilding. In fact, due to water retention, some do worse with testosterone . Like KALE once said and I quote to the best my memory serves -"If he had to do it all over again he would have used less test and more drugs like tren ". He explained why and maybe he or someone else will provide a link to his post.

2) Not everyone can get to 250 lbs lean..No way!

3) Form is very important but so is heavy weights. The mind-muscle-link is very real. It separates bodybuilding from powerlifting!

If you dont have what it takes to be a pro bodybuilder using only Test, then youre not well educated or you dont have the genetics. Is just a fact. Sure, there are other anabolics that come into play during certain points of competing and contest prep, but thats about it. Sorry, but Kale is an old dude on hrt...far from a pro. Im not ripping him but come on...quote some one who has done something.

Yes, anyone can get super heavy. Consistancy, time and a little education is all you need.

To build on my last statement and to conclude, the mind-muscle-link is not as important as moving the heaviest weight you can. This training builds the most mass. Sure form needs to be established, but were not discussing elementary bodybuilding here. I could care less about the kid who walks in the gym for the first time in his life. Im talking about tried and true bodybuilders and the like who already know "how to rid ea bike."

**TR'05** · 10-16-2008, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Johny-too-small

Really? Why is that?

If you dont have what it takes to be a pro bodybuilder using only Test, then youre not well educated or you dont have the genetics. Is just a fact. Sure, there are other anabolics that come into play during certain points of competing and contest prep, but thats about it. Sorry, but Kale is an old dude on hrt...far from a pro. Im not ripping him but come on...quote some one who has done something.

Yes, anyone can get super heavy. Consistancy, time and a little education is all you need.

To build on my last statement and to conclude, the mind-muscle-link is not as important as moving the heaviest weight you can. This training builds the most mass. Sure form needs to be established, but were not discussing elementary bodybuilding here. I could care less about the kid who walks in the gym for the first time in his life. Im talking about tried and true bodybuilders and the like who already know "how to rid ea bike."

If you're paying for services rendered, and that is all the gush you're willing to present free of charge, I just hope you aren't paying exorbitant amounts of money for anything comparable to those "major points".

But I digress, the last thing I want to do is get into a pissing match online, as winning an argument over the internet is akin to being the best window licker on the short-bus.

All the very best to you.

**B.E.N.** · 10-16-2008, 04:24 PM

TR...I'm not sure what the arguement is about? You both are in agreement that the program works.

**Johny-too-small** · 10-16-2008, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by TR'05

If you're paying for services rendered, and that is all the gush you're willing to present free of charge, I just hope you aren't paying exorbitant amounts of money for anything comparable to those "major points".

But I digress, the last thing I want to do is get into a pissing match online, as winning an argument over the internet is akin to being the best window licker on the short-bus.

All the very best to you.

Uh, okay. I just asked you a question..or two. I didnt know we were taking the gloves off...however, I understand...my rep around here isnt the best when it comes to making pen pals.

BTW, I have not paid DC anything...I just know his program.

**Ronnie Rowland** · 10-16-2008, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by Johny-too-small

Really? Why is that?

If you dont have what it takes to be a pro bodybuilder using only Test, then youre not well educated or you dont have the genetics. Is just a fact. Sure, there are other anabolics that come into play during certain points of competing and contest prep, but thats about it. Sorry, but Kale is an old dude on hrt...far from a pro. Im not ripping him but come on...quote some one who has done something.

Yes, anyone can get super heavy. Consistancy, time and a little education is all you need.

To build on my last statement and to conclude, the mind-muscle-link is not as important as moving the heaviest weight you can. This training builds the most mass. Sure form needs to be established, but were not discussing elementary bodybuilding here. I could care less about the kid who walks in the gym for the first time in his life. Im talking about tried and true bodybuilders and the like who already know "how to rid ea bike."

Johnny, I understand where you are coming from. I used KALE as an example because he has been around for a while and some of his post are very good.

I realize that test is the base of any good cycle. My point was that most make much better gains and experience fewer side effects when stacking multiple drugs. I've been around the scene and I have learned that a tren /test or deca /eq/test combo is a much better approach to gaining lean mass than a test only cycle- regardless of genetics.

**DSM4Life** · 10-16-2008, 09:23 PM

Saying that you need AAS for this program to work is none sense. All you need is will power and consistency .

p.s
Big i love you

**TR'05** · 10-16-2008, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by Johny-too-small

DC is great. That guy has turned many ordinary bros into monsters. Imo, there are some major points that hold true about his and any good program:

1. Drug moderation - use anabolics for help. They dont change your genetics. Really, if you want to stay in this game for a while (healthy) you need to be healthy. All you need is Test.

2. Consistancy - Get on a training program and stick to it. Hammer it. Not for 4-6-8 weeks but for 2 or more years. Anyone can get to 250lbs lean...its how you will look that will make or break you (Ibff pro).

3. Lift the Slag Iron - Forget form, forget reps. Lift as heavy as you can everytime you lift. In otherwords, grow a pair and pick up the heaviest thing you can till you cant anymore. Then go home and eat and sleep.

There is a few other basics but I dont think its right of me to give out info that many pay for.

I totally agree with you on DoggCrapp being a great program.

With that said, Dante would disagree vehemently with parts of these "major points" you've listed above. If you had gone into more detail, as you have done in later posts, he probably would agree with certain parts. I know you cleared certain points up for me.

With respect to paying for services, I know you didn't pay Dante anything- moot point, anyways.

Now, there are (unquestionably) certain degrees of truth in each of the major points you've listed.

Point 1:

I could not agree more.

Point 2:

First, two or more years on a training program with consistent high intensity will fry the CNS among other things. Now, if you were talking about staying on a program (for ~2 +years) which included variation, periods of deloads, and the like, I could not agree more.

Second, perhaps with AAS anyone could get to 250 lean- I can't comment with conviction as I've never used. With that said, everyone decidedly cannot get to 250lb lean naturally- genetic limitations are very real.

Point 3:

I agree to an extent. You cleared up the form issue in one of your latter points. Reps and form are vitally important to any trainee and any decent training program IMHO.

Anyways, these are just my thoughts. I found your "major points" to be inaccurate in many ways.

**TR'05** · 10-16-2008, 09:45 PM

Also, by no means did I want to come across as taking the gloves off or anything.

The not wanting to get into an argument line was suppose to be a lighthearted joke, is all.

**Johny-too-small** · 10-16-2008, 10:23 PM

Well, I shouldnt have been smoking when I posted this.

**Kale** · 10-17-2008, 12:37 AM

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland

1) Johnny, I agree with moderation but I do not agree that test is the only drug needed to succeed in bodybuilding. In fact, due to water retention, some do worse with testosterone . Like KALE once said and I quote to the best my memory serves -"If he had to do it all over again he would have used less test and more drugs like tren ". He explained why and maybe he or someone else will provide a link to his post.

2) Not everyone can get to 250 lbs lean..No way!

3) Form is very important but so is heavy weights. The mind-muscle-link is very real. It separates bodybuilding from powerlifting!

Dude that wasnt me that said that

And like Johny-too-small says, "I am just an old dude on HRT" and I havnt done anything

**Edgar** · 10-17-2008, 04:59 AM

Originally Posted by Kale

Dude that wasnt me that said that

And like Johny-too-small says, "I am just an old dude on HRT" and I havnt done anything

Kale you were banging three girls a day, what do you mean you havent done anything. I hope I can be as unacomplished as you some day.

**Ronnie Rowland** · 10-17-2008, 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by Kale

Dude that wasnt me that said that

And like Johny-too-small says, "I am just an old dude on HRT" and I havnt done anything

Sorry Kale. I have mistakened you for someone else. I know the guy talked about long term testosterone use (higher dosages than HRT) having the potential to cause tendon damage.

Anyways, I hope we cleared up the issue that steroid users and non-steroid users should train in the same manner. That was my main reason for posting from the get go. There tends to be a lot of confusion on this topic.

**CeeLo** · 10-17-2008, 05:59 AM

Someone explain to me what the difference is in DC training and going to the gym and lifting with intensity and maxium effort everytime. Why would you go to the gym and noit lift balls to the wall everytime and try to break plateaus on each visit.

I understand that there will be days that one will want to lift light and just get in a workout. There are times when I am not feeling good, nursing an injury, or I don't have a lot of time to get in a full workout so I go light and just warm up the muscle.

I also think that the mind and muscle connection is a better approach for some. Lifting big and heavy is not always the best method for the "body builder", but may be for the "power lifter".

Milos Sarcev said it best in this video.
http://thefitshow.tv/index.php?optio...son1&Itemid=69

In summary different things will work for different people. Do what it takes for you to grow and what your body responds to. Don't try to do what the guy beside you is doing!

**Johny-too-small** · 10-17-2008, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by Kale

Dude that wasnt me that said that

And like Johny-too-small says, "I am just an old dude on HRT" and I havnt done anything

Crap. Youre too cool, Kale. I got caught up in my point and well....sorry. I didnt mean it...just look at your avy!

**MuscleScience** · 10-17-2008, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by CeeLo

Someone explain to me what the difference is in DC training and going to the gym and lifting with intensity and maxium effort everytime. Why would you go to the gym and noit lift balls to the wall everytime and try to break plateaus on each visit.

I understand that there will be days that one will want to lift light and just get in a workout. There are times when I am not feeling good, nursing an injury, or I don't have a lot of time to get in a full workout so I go light and just warm up the muscle.

I also think that the mind and muscle connection is a better approach for some. Lifting big and heavy is not always the best method for the "body builder", but may be for the "power lifter".

Milos Sarcev said it best in this video.
http://thefitshow.tv/index.php?optio...son1&Itemid=69

In summary different things will work for different people. Do what it takes for you to grow and what your body responds to. Don't try to do what the guy beside you is doing!

Everyone looks for a magic exercise routine to take them to the next level. The only secret to any exercise routine that is sound in it basic principles is strictly adhering to it.

P.S. dont tell any of my clients that I write programs for that secret...

**VASCULAR VINCE** · 10-17-2008, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleScience

Everyone looks for a magic exercise routine to take them to the next level. The only secret to any exercise routine that is sound in it basic principles is strictly adhering to it.

P.S. dont tell any of my clients that I write programs for that secret...

Not sure about there not being any secret routines. DC and Slingshot Training are the cream of the crop in the eyes of more than a few. Both styles specifically say you can not train balls to the wall day in day out without burning out.

**DSM4Life** · 10-17-2008, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by CeeLo

Someone explain to me what the difference is in DC training and going to the gym and lifting with intensity and maxium effort everytime. Why would you go to the gym and noit lift balls to the wall everytime and try to break plateaus on each visit.

I understand that there will be days that one will want to lift light and just get in a workout. There are times when I am not feeling good, nursing an injury, or I don't have a lot of time to get in a full workout so I go light and just warm up the muscle.

I also think that the mind and muscle connection is a better approach for some. Lifting big and heavy is not always the best method for the "body builder", but may be for the "power lifter".

Milos Sarcev said it best in this video.
http://thefitshow.tv/index.php?optio...son1&Itemid=69

In summary different things will work for different people. Do what it takes for you to grow and what your body responds to. Don't try to do what the guy beside you is doing!

Most go to the gym and "wing it." So you think you are going balls to the wall but your really in a rut using the same weight . For example: Doing heavy shoulder presses say at 150lbs and get a great pump. Well next week they return to the gym and use the same 150lbs and get the same pump which makes them feel good. Well in reality they aren't getting stronger but simply maintaining strength.

With DC is all about beating that @%$@% log book. I know before i begin my movement that i only have 2 option:

a) Add more weight and get in the correct rep range

b) Keep the same weight but add more reps

I guess 3rd is

c) If you cant beat your record then you lose the exercise. Yes, you lose it. So if you really like that movement you better work to keep it !
Most laugh at this and i did at first but it makes sense. If your doing a movement where you arent making any progress what the hell is the point.

p.s

You dont lose it forever. You find another movement that works that same muscle and do that until you fail at it. Then you can return to the previous movement that was lost. Most will have gained more strenth and should be able to surpass the weight and/or rep range from when they first started the movement. And the cycle continues...

**CeeLo** · 10-17-2008, 06:59 PM

This is a good way to push yourself. It definitely will make you put forth your best effort each time.

**FortKnox36** · 02-26-2009, 10:03 PM

Thought I should bring this thread back.

I am taking a week off from lifting and am really excited to try out this DC training.
I will have to admit...I kinda got pissed off when I heard of DC training a couple of weeks ago bc it goes against everything I have worked at for the past 6 years, but with all the hype around the internet and all the promises I have to give it a try! It is somewhat logical in the sense of recovery and not burning yourself out. I dunno if I can go without doing some sort of fly tho...we will see.

But i would like to hear others who are currently do this routine and how they are going about so far!

Thanks,
Fort